NO way on Vince Young

[JeffGollin]

Try not to get distracted by BS and stay focused on the important stuff.

Not showing at the Combine while "interesting" is only but one of a gazillion things that the scouts must factor in to the evaluation of a player.

When all is said in done, the only thing that matters is: "Does Young (or any other top 10 rated player) represent our best option for building our football team the way we want to build it? Or not?

Don't let any proverbial molehills become mountains. Don't jump to conclusions prematurely. And don't let the so-called pundits cloud your judgment. Keep your eye on the ball. Can the dude help us?

 

[spanky1]

Young did win the Rose Bowl.

I think it more accurate to say he was on the team that won the Rose Bowl.

 

[DKCards]

212 of 325 for 3036 yards with a 65.2 completion%.

26 TDs to 10 Ints.

Sound like a kid that had no clue where to throw the ball. And it wasn’t like he was playing against community colleges. If those DB knew where he was going to throw it they should have had a few more picks, you think. He did not have 1 game this year with more picks then TDs. They can question his throwing motion all they want but to say that “Young constantly threw the ball at the wrong part of the defense.” is BS or there are a lot of DB who shouldn’t be playing Div 1 football out there.

Then what about his receivers, I don’t see any of them being talked about in the first 5 picks of the draft after they “were constantly having to make great catches because of the poor accuracy.”

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

But, like I said, if we bomb in free agency, we CAN'T afford to take him there. Green would have to get a player to help him win this season.

And at that point I'd hope Mike Bidwill or Graves learn their lesson from the Pace/BJ fiasco and step in and say we cannot afford to pass on Vince Young no matter what holes we still have left over from free agency. This fan base and community would not accept us passing on another potential franchise player especially one as well-known and highly regarded as Vince Young. Not that it matters, I'm willing to bet Vince Young never sees the ninth team in the draft pass on him.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think it more accurate to say he was on the team that won the Rose Bowl.

I don't know about that. It was very Jordanesque how VY basically took over that game and ran and passed all over the Trojans. One of the most impressive individual performances I have ever seen.

 

[MadCardDisease]

212 of 325 for 3036 yards with a 65.2 completion%.

26 TDs to 10 Ints.

Sound like a kid that had no clue where to throw the ball. And it wasn’t like he was playing against community colleges. If those DB knew where he was going to throw it they should have had a few more picks, you think. He did not have 1 game this year with more picks then TDs. They can question his throwing motion all they want but to say that “Young constantly threw the ball at the wrong part of the defense.” is BS or there are a lot of DB who shouldn’t be playing Div 1 football out there.

Then what about his receivers, I don’t see any of them being talked about in the first 5 picks of the draft after they “were constantly having to make great catches because of the poor accuracy.”

I'm just relaying what the professional scout was saying.

He specifically mentioned the Texas TE as having to make great catches to make up for Young's poor accuracy. He is an undersized TE who can't block so he isn't highly rated in the Draft. As for the WRs I think all of them are returning to Texas next year.

The guy from Ourlads also mentioned that Young played in a shotgun formation with a spread offense where most of his throws were short and inbetween the hash marks(Easy Throws). He had concerns about Young playing under center in the NFL and being able to make reads as he drop back to pass.

Here is what they say about him on their Mock Draft:

A rare athlete that makes plays with his legs. In the NFL you make plays as a QB with your arm. Young hasn't demonstrated that he can read complex defenses or complete a pass through a small window of opportunity. Will a team invest the third pick and millions of dollars in a developmental quarterback that may not be ready until he is eligible for free agency? A top five athlete should not be confused with a top five position player.

 

[red desert]

No way he gets out of the top #5. Simply no way.

 

[conraddobler]

No way he gets out of the top #5. Simply no way.

Super then it's a dead issue for us, and I at least will be happy about it.

 

[Redsz]

Video of Vince Young throwing at the All Star Game:

http://media.putfile.com/Vince-All-Star-Game

 

[Card Trader]

Vince would just be a big mistake, don't want him at all. Let's see him take a snap under center and make throws when he doesn't have all day to survey the field. Progressions and footwork are way too important to be overlooked by his superior athleticism.

 

[Stout]

If you read Russ's post above, on pro days it's like a highlight film, in other words he throws to his own guys, may convieniently omit throws he isn't good at etc.

God I often hope for people like you to sell too.

Now if we fly him in like the 49ers did Smith and make him throw whatever we want him to throw to who we want him to throw to, "the who isn't really even that important to me", then if we pick him fine.

What if he badly botches 5 of 10 out routes? Are you still willing to waste a top 10 pick on him? What if none of the 10 are even very good, but about 4 are rated average and the rest suck?

Maybe our scouts would feel that wasn't a big deal and this or that is easily corrected but until I saw for myself what's going on, then I'd have to pass.

How about you RE-READ Russ' post, since he said that Rogers had a good workout where teams could see everything they needed to see. Basically, with QBs at pro days, you're going to see them do everything you need to see. That is, unless one of the rare ones, like Smith, decides to stage one where he deliberately doesn't do everything. Rare.

 

[ajcardfan]

Vince would just be a big mistake, don't want him at all. Let's see him take a snap under center and make throws when he doesn't have all day to survey the field. Progressions and footwork are way too important to be overlooked by his superior athleticism.

That's why I think any team that takes him would need to sit him for the first year.

 

[golfcardfan]

You guys are NUTS! If VY falls to us and #10 absolutely you have to take him. The we need someone who can step in an contribute immediately arguement is CRAP! Thats how you suck for years and never get a top teir QB. The guy is gonna be a winner period maybe not right away but who is? His performance in the past two rose bowls are a hell of alot more impressive than leinart, who was surrounded by far superior talent by the way. Heres and idea ask Q and Fitz if they would want us to take Young, the anwser will me HELL YES! Of course we have young receivers we need a QB to put them with for years to come and his name is not Warner sorry. Although I think we need to sign warner if we can get young who better to tutor him than Warner? This argument just seems silly really not sure Young will fall to 10 no matter what anybody says right now.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That's why I think any team that takes him would need to sit him for the first year.

I'm not completely sold on Young's ability to translate to the pros but the guy has as much upside as any player ever to enter the NFL Draft and that kind of talent can't be taken lightly no matter what system he ran in college. I actually think it might take two years for Young which is why taking him at #10 is ideal while Top 3 would result in a lot of wasted cash.

I really doubt he drops to #10 as every owner in the NFL most likely saw the Rose Bowl, but if he does Arizona would be a great situation for VY or any other young QB for that matter. We have two terrific receiving targets already in place and locked up through then end of the decade, a wide open pass-happy offense, and a consummate professional that would likely take whatever QB we draft under his wing once he realizes that his days are done. It makes too much sense which is why it will never happen for the Cardinals. I fear again we will be bad enough to remain the laughingstock of the NFL but good enough to not get a chance at a franchise-type player in the Draft.

 

[conraddobler]

I have no problem really taking Vince Young in general but where the Cardinals stand it's pretty silly to me.

We aren't at he project QB stage, a couple years ago sure, now no.

I can see the logic of taking him if he falls to 10, I don't think he will and if we did take him and we sign Warner plus one other veteran backup then I'd be ok with it.

Just don't tell me he's a sure thing sell the farm kind of player, he's not.

 

[golfcardfan]

conrad thats not whats being proposed here not trading up to get him. If he falls to #10 we have to take him he will be BPA at the spot and now with warner signed hell yeah you take him.

 

[Duckjake]

The one thing that makes Young unique is that there has never been a QB that I can remember that can move like he does at 6'5" and 235lbs.

I say there is no way he gets past Tennesse at three but if he is still on the board at #10 there is no way a coach who gambled on Randy Moss passes on him.

Vince Young, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin my god we'd be like an NBA team.

 

[conraddobler]

conrad thats not whats being proposed here not trading up to get him. If he falls to #10 we have to take him he will be BPA at the spot and now with warner signed hell yeah you take him.

I understand what you are saying, logically I agree with it, even though I don't like the guy as an NFL QB, I do understand the logic.

My opinion is that it'd turn out to be a waste but logically you are right, he's got too much potential to pass up at that pick for value sake.

Honestly I highly doubt he makes it that far. I understand a lot of the talking him down is just to jocky draft positions but I honestly feel he won't be a good NFL QB.

It's just my opinion though and it dosen't mean anything.

 

[spanky1]

I understand what you are saying, logically I agree with it, even though I don't like the guy as an NFL QB, I do understand the logic.

My opinion is that it'd turn out to be a waste but logically you are right, he's got too much potential to pass up at that pick for value sake.

Honestly I highly doubt he makes it that far. I understand a lot of the talking him down is just to jocky draft positions but I honestly feel he won't be a good NFL QB.

It's just my opinion though and it dosen't mean anything.

Your opinion is just that....your opinion. Don't sell yourself short by saying it doesn't mean anything.

 

[CARDCORE FAN]

Vince Young

If VY is there at 10....you have to take him!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He can do what he wants but if I'm a GM and a QB that has a questionable throwing motion wants to dodge that I say well my questions have no chance of being answered up close and personal so no way am I risking that kind of $ on the kid.

It's obviously his agent coaching him to do this, to me it raises alarm bells as to how awful the throwing mechanics are so that they don't want people seeing them.

His throwing style is jacked up bad, and it's not a case of he can make all the throws he just looks funny doing it. I don't care if he looks awful throwing the ball if it gets where it's supposed to go a certain amount of times then it's passable, pun intended.

The problem with Young is he can't throw out routes to save his life and I am sure those drills feature that route and he's going to literally bomb that drill and that's why he won't do it.

come on this is a ridiculous post. he's saying that he won't throw at the combine, not that he refuses to a throw another ball before the draft. he's not doing anything any of the other highly touted qbs haven't done in the past. teams will make certain he can throw the out before selecting him in the first, i guarantee it.

apologies conrad, didn't read far enough. don't want to pile on.

 

[john h]

I've stated before that I wouldn't take him at #10. He scares the hell out of me. Way to many question marks about his throwing motion and field vision to risk on a player that will take 3-4 years to develop.

I would not take him at #10 either for the Cards. Then I am no expert either.

 

[john h]

I don't think Young will be there at #10, but for the Cardinals to pass on Young would be insane.

Of course, maybe some would prefer to draft a "Combine hit" like Boller or Mamula

If he is there at #10 then there are 9 other teams that do not think he is all world.

 

[john h]

Is Lienart going to throw at the combine? I have no idea I was just wondering.

I have read he will not. Why should he as he will be either #1 or #2. You cannot do any better than that and could only chance lowering your draft position. Why would Bush show up? Same reasons. Young probably should show up as I think many people have a lot of unanswered questions about him. He might help himself unless some team high up has told him they are going to draft him.

 

[Skkorpion]

How does Young's release compare to Philip Rivers' release?

Neither one throws a classic high-release ball and that doesn't matter at all. Throwing motion worries are silly. Sonny Jurgenson, Joe Theisman and Bernie Kosar all threw damned near side-arm. So did Rich Ganon half the time.

Both Rivers and Young are tall QBs with higher releases than the four guys mentioned above and Rivers has unmatched accuracy by any college QB in years.