Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[JCSunsfan]

And I want a million dollars.

Seriously Steve? You basically described like prime Chris Paul.

Nah. He just wants a Steve Nash that plays D.

 

[Hoop Head]

I want a point guard that can get to the rim and score, shoot from mid-range, is a threat from distance, can slow his man down, reads the D well, makes the right pass, and can make an entry pass to the big down low. And with Ayton coming in, I especially want a PG that can make that entry pass. We've not been good at that for quite awhile.

Now that could describe a lot of guys or just a few, depending on how established you want the player to be. It seems like a pretty big ask though and would make their price tag quite high, if their current team would even being willing to let them go. I don't think there is a player in the draft that checks all of those boxes though so what players would you like to see the Suns pursue?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nah. He just wants a Steve Nash that plays D.

I'd be thrilled with another Steve Nash, defensive shortcomings and all. If you look at my list again you'll see almost everything I asked for was offensive. I'd rather have a stellar offensive weapon than a lockdown defender. I want him to be able to guard better than Trae Young did in college but he doesn't have to be a Patrick Beverley.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'd be thrilled with another Steve Nash, defensive shortcomings and all. If you look at my list again you'll see almost everything I asked for was offensive. I'd rather have a stellar offensive weapon than a lockdown defender. I want him to be able to guard better than Trae Young did in college but he doesn't have to be a Patrick Beverley.

Somebody floated the idea that the Suns should trade for Patrick Beverly on Twitter yesterday and Dudley spoke up endorsing it. Didn't post anything about it because it really means nothing but I did find it interesting. Maybe we can send Dudley to the Clippers again to bring back a starting PG? It wasn't a bad deal 5 years ago for Bledsoe, everyone's older now and Dudley would give them salary relief. Doubt they have interest in #16 since they pick 12 and 13. I'd part with the Bucks pick and Dudley for Beverly.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm just as big a fan of prospect rankings as anyone, but to have Deandre Ayton #6!?! Tier 3!?! That's insane.

I also completely disagree with Holiday at #46 and Jerome Robinson at #58. I'm not even a big fan of Aaron and find it insulting that he's that low. Heck, I actually like De'Anthony Melton and think he's overvaluing him at #12. Truly strange rankings.

Just to reiterate on Okobo, he's an absolute undisciplined mess on defense. He is NOT a good fit here next to Book.

Honestly I can't see Ayton as tier 3 without some heavy biases/flawed logic. He is just so obviously one of the top two players in this draft it's not even funny.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I want a point guard that doesn't pull a Casper when the postseason comes around.

Given all you described you want Chris Paul.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Somebody floated the idea that the Suns should trade for Patrick Beverly on Twitter yesterday and Dudley spoke up endorsing it. Didn't post anything about it because it really means nothing but I did find it interesting. Maybe we can send Dudley to the Clippers again to bring back a starting PG? It wasn't a bad deal 5 years ago for Bledsoe, everyone's older now and Dudley would give them salary relief. Doubt they have interest in #16 since they pick 12 and 13. I'd part with the Bucks pick and Dudley for Beverly.

While Beverly is exactly the type of player I’ve stumped for the in the past, my memory is someone familiar with the clips said his skills had eroded and that was before coming off his latest injury. So I’m not sure he’s a good gamble.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Let it be Miles Bridges or Shai!

 

[Mainstreet]

@AzStevenCal

I think AzStevenCal will settle for Trae Young.

 

[AzStevenCal]

@AzStevenCal

I think AzStevenCal will settle for Trae Young.

Do you ever have one of those situations where you see one thing and almost everyone else sees something quite different. I watch Young and I see superstar potential. I listen to all the "experts" who see an overrated, undersized, un-athletic, slow, overly ball dominant, world class matador defense player and I start to question myself.

Regardless of what they say, I still want him. I worry about him holding up physically and I worry about his shot selection but other than that I still see superstar in the making. He wouldn't be a "settle" for me, he'd be a fantasy come true. But if we can't get him, there are several players I'd love to settle for if they drop.

More than one of these players will likely be there at 16 - Sexton, Shai, Robert Williams, Zhaire, Jerome Robinson, Donte or Huerter and I'd be happy settling with any of them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Do you ever have one of those situations where you see one thing and almost everyone else sees something quite different. I watch Young and I see superstar potential. I listen to all the "experts" who see an overrated, undersized, un-athletic, slow, overly ball dominant, world class matador defense player and I start to question myself.


More than one of these players will likely be there at 16 - Sexton, Shai, Robert Williams, Zhaire, Jerome Robinson, Donte or Huerter and I'd be happy settling with any of them.

I think it’s a bit of hyperbole on your part to say “everyone else sees something quite different” - he’s still largely considered a top 10 talent. Most of the articles are saying things like “is everyone missing out on Trae?” Which tells me his negatives have just been picked to death (like every other prospect at this point). I understand he’s perhaps your 2nd favorite player in the draft, but the majority of nba fans still see him as a potential superstar.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Do you ever have one of those situations where you see one thing and almost everyone else sees something quite different. I watch Young and I see superstar potential. I listen to all the "experts" who see an overrated, undersized, un-athletic, slow, overly ball dominant, world class matador defense player and I start to question myself.

Regardless of what they say, I still want him. I worry about him holding up physically and I worry about his shot selection but other than that I still see superstar in the making. He wouldn't be a "settle" for me, he'd be a fantasy come true. But if we can't get him, there are several players I'd love to settle for if they drop.

More than one of these players will likely be there at 16 - Sexton, Shai, Robert Williams, Zhaire, Jerome Robinson, Donte or Huerter and I'd be happy settling with any of them.

I see what you see. Did you see the tweet put out by one of the analytics sites recently? Trae had only 19 uncontested three-point shots the entire year. He made 14 of them.

They say he is not fast, yet I see him beating his man to the hoop constantly. They say he is a volume shooter, but I see high efficiency and leading the NCAA in assists. They say he cannot play D, but I see 2 steals a game (which puts him in the average category at least). I think I would be just as happy getting Trae as Doncic.

 

[Folster]

Do you ever have one of those situations where you see one thing and almost everyone else sees something quite different. I watch Young and I see superstar potential. I listen to all the "experts" who see an overrated, undersized, un-athletic, slow, overly ball dominant, world class matador defense player and I start to question myself.

Regardless of what they say, I still want him. I worry about him holding up physically and I worry about his shot selection but other than that I still see superstar in the making. He wouldn't be a "settle" for me, he'd be a fantasy come true. But if we can't get him, there are several players I'd love to settle for if they drop.

More than one of these players will likely be there at 16 - Sexton, Shai, Robert Williams, Zhaire, Jerome Robinson, Donte or Huerter and I'd be happy settling with any of them.

You were right about Lauri last year.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it’s a bit of hyperbole on your part to say “everyone else sees something quite different” - he’s still largely considered a top 10 talent. Most of the articles are saying things like “is everyone missing out on Trae?” Which tells me his negatives have just been picked to death (like every other prospect at this point). I understand he’s perhaps your 2nd favorite player in the draft, but the majority of nba fans still see him as a potential superstar.

I'm pretty sure I said "almost everyone". And yeah, maybe I'm less alone than I made it out to be but I am unaware of the articles you're talking about. I have been watching hours and hours of TV shows about the draft and that's what has left me feeling like I'm on an island about Young. And don't get me wrong, I'm not sure I'm right, I just don't see how I'm wrong (if that makes sense).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If we could walk away with Ayton and young it would exceed my wildest dreams.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Let it be Miles Bridges or Shai!

With the 16th pick, I think the Suns should take the best SHOOTER without preference to position. That's why I want Donte DiVincenzo.

I'm scared that McDonough is going to reach for a PG just because it's a big need (even though PF is also unsettled too).

 

[AzStevenCal]

If we could walk away with Ayton and young it would exceed my wildest dreams.

On that we agree. But if it doesn't cost us a fortune, I'd be pretty happy with Ayton and either Sexton or any of the other possibles I mentioned a few posts ago.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You were right about Lauri last year.

Yes I was but I've been wrong enough to know I'm not a real scout (and even real scouts miss often). But regardless, it will take me a few more Markkanen's just to erase my Stromile Swift prediction.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

With the 16th pick, I think the Suns should take the best SHOOTER without preference to position. That's why I want Donte DiVincenzo.

I'm scared that McDonough is going to reach for a PG just because it's a big need (even though PF is also unsettled too).

I still think best player. I have thought miles bridges was going to be a stud from the first game I saw him play as a freshman in Hawaii. He could solve our PF question. Undersized, yes - but dynamic and athletic . . . like a gazillionairre PJ Tucker.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If we could walk away with Ayton and young it would exceed my wildest dreams.

As Willie Wonka said, "Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true."

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

On that we agree. But if it doesn't cost us a fortune, I'd be pretty happy with Ayton and either Sexton or any of the other possibles I mentioned a few posts ago.

I was super high on Sexton early in the season. Even over young. But someone ruined it with the Bledsoe comp. now I can’t get that outta my head.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Oh god please. . . (But don’t give up the Miami 2021 pick).

 

[AzStevenCal]

I was super high on Sexton early in the season. Even over young. But someone ruined it with the Bledsoe comp. now I can’t get that outta my head.

Yeah, I think that was probably me although it was showing up a lot of places. I do think Eric is the best comp but for me, it's to what Bledsoe showed early rather than what he became. Sexton has some of the same weaknesses but if his head is on straight he won't have to follow the same trajectory as Bledsoe did. He's a good gamble IMO, I just wouldn't throw a lot of assets after him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Let's compare Trae to Steve Nash for a moment.

Size: Virtually the same.
Speed: same
Shooting: very similar
Passing: Nash slightly better, but probably about the same at this age.
Defense: Young is probably better.