Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[Mainstreet]

Do you ever have one of those situations where you see one thing and almost everyone else sees something quite different. I watch Young and I see superstar potential. I listen to all the "experts" who see an overrated, undersized, un-athletic, slow, overly ball dominant, world class matador defense player and I start to question myself.

Regardless of what they say, I still want him. I worry about him holding up physically and I worry about his shot selection but other than that I still see superstar in the making. He wouldn't be a "settle" for me, he'd be a fantasy come true. But if we can't get him, there are several players I'd love to settle for if they drop.

More than one of these players will likely be there at 16 - Sexton, Shai, Robert Williams, Zhaire, Jerome Robinson, Donte or Huerter and I'd be happy settling with any of them.

I can only speak for myself concerning Young. IMO, he can be everything you think he can be. Young has that capability. He has tangible skills that can be used immediately. The issue that worries me with Young, there is no margin of error. He cannot lose even a quarter of a step. I wouldn't worry about his defense as he can more than make up for it on the offensive end of the court. I love his passing, shooting and the way he runs a team. Some teams are going to be sorry they didn't draft him.

In regards to the other players who will be there at #16, I'm not locked onto any of them. The Suns should draft BPA at this spot and not worry about position. This pick should be all about talent. I've been thinking the Suns might trade out of this position but if some players start to slide, I can see them staying there or possibly moving up. I do like Shai and Zhaire among others. If the Suns do not draft a PG at #16, there may be some equally good ones at #31.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Oh god please. . . (But don’t give up the Miami 2021 pick).

I read a rumor we have been talking with Cleveland and the deal is Chriss, Warren, #16 and #31 for #8.

I think I would do that. But I would bet that Cleveland would be pushing for us to take back a bad contract (TT?).

Warren and JJ are redundant.
Chriss and Bender are redundant.
#16 and #31 are redundant.

For Cleveland, it's a nice haul to start a rebuild. Something like this would be a draft day trade and only happens if Young is there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Oh god please. . . (But don’t give up the Miami 2021 pick).

Surprise, surprise. I'd include the Miami pick along with the Milwaukee pick and the 16, 31 and 59.

 

[devilalum]

Oh god please. . . (But don’t give up the Miami 2021 pick).

I know right?

Something for nothing is always better than something for something.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I read a rumor we have been talking with Cleveland and the deal is Chriss, Warren, #16 and #31 for #8.

In a flash, assuming Young is still there.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Let's compare Trae to Steve Nash for a moment.

Size: Virtually the same.
Speed: same
Shooting: very similar
Passing: Nash slightly better, but probably about the same at this age.
Defense: Young is probably better.

i don't know about Nash in college but i'm guessing
BB IQ: about the same at this age
Leadership: about the same or better at this age

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Let's compare Trae to Steve Nash for a moment.

Size: Virtually the same.
Speed: same
Shooting: very similar
Passing: Nash slightly better, but probably about the same at this age.
Defense: Young is probably better.

I believe Nash was an inch and half taller. That’s material.

 

[GatorAZ]

Oh god please. . . (But don’t give up the Miami 2021 pick).

For a franchise PG...? Um...

 

[devilalum]

I read a rumor we have been talking with Cleveland and the deal is Chriss, Warren, #16 and #31 for #8.

I was thinking something like this might happen. Cleveland is in a position where multiple assets may be a better idea than one good player.

It's also possible that the player taken in this draft at #16 may end up being as good as the guy taken at #8.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I read a rumor we have been talking with Cleveland and the deal is Chriss, Warren, #16 and #31 for #8.

I think I would do that.

Warren and JJ are redundant.
Chriss and Bender are redundant.
#16 and #31 are redundant.

That's a nice haul for Cleveland too, especially if they want to make a run at keeping LBJ, but it gives them a little bit better of a core, but one that won't push them out of the lottery area if James does bolt.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Let's compare Trae to Steve Nash for a moment.

Size: Virtually the same.
Speed: same
Shooting: very similar
Passing: Nash slightly better, but probably about the same at this age.
Defense: Young is probably better.

I think I'd give Trae the advantage at passing (at same age). Not that it matters much as Nash became one of the greatest passers ever and we can only guess what Young will do. But all told, I agree, there's a lot of Nash in Young's game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I still think best player. I have thought miles bridges was going to be a stud from the first game I saw him play as a freshman in Hawaii. He could solve our PF question. Undersized, yes - but dynamic and athletic . . . like a gazillionairre PJ Tucker.

I'd take that in a heartbeat and then ship Chriss' ******** out of town. My one thing that I hate in sports is talented players that don't seem to really care, and Chriss comes off that way. Now if Bender could just grow a spine...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I read a rumor we have been talking with Cleveland and the deal is Chriss, Warren, #16 and #31 for #8.

I think I would do that.

Warren and JJ are redundant.
Chriss and Bender are redundant.
#16 and #31 are redundant.

For Cleveland, it's a nice haul to start a rebuild.

I think I do that too. Although I’d rather throw the bucks pick instead of Chriss. I’m still uncertain which of Chriss or bender is going to emerge and unlike some here I like maintaining the flexibility of which is going to emerge. But if push comes to shove and I can’t retain Chriss I make the deal. But only, I think, if one of the following players drops to 8:

Doncic
Trae
Bagley
JJj
Porter

As I think they can fill either PG or PF for us. As much as I like Bamba he won’t see the court with Ayton. And I’m just not enamored with Wendell.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I believe Nash was an inch and half taller. That’s material.

It's difficult to tell. Nash claims he is only 6'1 without shoes which would make them a half inch apart.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's difficult to tell. Nash claims he is only 6'1 without shoes which would make them a half inch apart.

Okay

 

[JCSunsfan]

I was thinking something like this might happen. Cleveland is in a position where multiple assets may be a better idea than one good player.

It's also possible that the player taken in this draft at #16 may end up being as good as the guy taken at #8.

We would have to take back a player. I think that player would be JR Smith.

16, 31, Warren, Chriss for Smith and 8 works. Cleveland would be celebrating just to be rid of Smith. I would cut him immediately. He is a waste of basketball air.

 

[1tinsoldier]

In a flash, assuming Young is still there.

and if Young is gone i'd do any of the other top 7 prospects. if someone picks Carter, Bamba or Porter might be there.

 

[Mainstreet]

We would have to take back a player. I think that player would be JR Smith.

16, 31, Warren, Chriss for Smith and 8 works. Cleveland would be celebrating just to be rid of Smith. I would cut him immediately. He is a waste of basketball air.

I only do this trade if Young is there. Taking JR Smith back is like the Suns adding another 1st round pick.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

and if Young is gone i'd do any of the other top 7 prospects. if someone picks Carter, Bamba or Porter might be there.

But do you think we can play Bamba and Ayton together? Twin towers with Ayton at PF? I mean I’d be excited to try it but a bit skeptical that it would work in today’s nba. Particularly if we don’t have a pg who excels at the 3-ball and JJ doesn’t improve his 3 point accuracy.

 

[devilalum]

Irony

Isn't this more or less what the Suns did to get Chriss?

 

[Raindog]

But do you think we can play Bamba and Ayton together? Twin towers with Ayton at PF? I mean I’d be excited to try it but a bit skeptical that it would work in today’s nba. Particularly if we don’t have a pg who excels at the 3-ball and JJ doesn’t improve his 3 point accuracy.

Yeah, that would be an interesting experiment, but not sure at all that it would work. The twin towers thing never really has seemed to be very successful in the NBA, aside from one sort of mixed success year that Houston had in the 1980s. I can't really see us bucking the trend to that radical a degree.

 

[AzStevenCal]

and if Young is gone i'd do any of the other top 7 prospects. if someone picks Carter, Bamba or Porter might be there.

I don't want Porter. I know we may live to regret it but I just don't want to see us dealing with his health risks. I watched Around the Horn yesterday and one of the reporters used Embiid as justification for taking Porter at number 2. I cringed.

Teams weren't scared away on Embiid because they didn't expect him to ever play, they were worried about him long term and they should still be worried. He is not an NBA post surgical success story, yet. Get back to me in 5 years. Sure, he's great when he's healthy but he's been in the league four years and has logged fewer regular season minutes for his career than Ben Simmons just logged in his rookie season. I don't know Porter's future but this is too strong of a draft to assume his risks IMO.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Porter keeps having all kinds of Red Flags coming up... Adam Zagoria just tweeted: Michael Porter Jr. said he ‘wouldn’t want to’ take the 2018-19 season off but it will be up to his future NBA team

When the phrases "wouldn't want to miss ENTIRE 18-19 season" starts to enter the conversation, The Suns need to be off that band wagon pronto

 

[slinslin]

Idk we could afford to redshirt him if he has the talent

 

[Mainstreet]

Porter keeps having all kinds of Red Flags coming up... Adam Zagoria just tweeted: Michael Porter Jr. said he ‘wouldn’t want to’ take the 2018-19 season off but it will be up to his future NBA team

When the phrases "wouldn't want to miss ENTIRE 18-19 season" starts to enter the conversation, The Suns need to be off that band wagon pronto

IMO, it's a major red flag with a back issue. The Suns would have to be willing to throw a draft pick away to take him.