Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[Raze]

reminds me of what i thought of tatum when i watched him last year.

That's a pretty good comp. Kevin has a massive edge on 3 point shooting when it comes to their last year's at college, but Tatum has the edge on rebounding. Still they have similar skill sets both offensively and defensively. And Jayson went #3.

I wonder where Kevin would have gone in last year's draft. I'm guessing top 10.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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[Raze]

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Knox is a good prospect. But better than Trae Young, Wendell Carter, Mikal Bridges or Miles Bridges? I don't see anything on film that supports that. I actually like Jerome Robinson and Kevin Huerter better than Knox. They can be had cheaper.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Knox is a good prospect. But better than Trae Young, Wendell Carter, Mikal Bridges or Miles Bridges? I don't see anything on film that supports that. I actually like Jerome Robinson and Kevin Huerter better than Knox. They can be had cheaper.

I'm not a Knox fan either. Thrilled if he cements himself as a top 10 guy though, because he'd push others closer to the Suns' reach.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Competent wings. Im not as high on Knox as I have been other wings the last few years. That said; competent wings.

 

[GatorAZ]

Maybe they loved Thomas and knew Morrison would be taken 3rd.

The funny thing is that lottery year was brutal. Rudy Gay and J.J. Redick were the only other two players in the top 14 who even remotely worked out. Portland got the best two players by far.

Completely forgot Ammo went third that year. So Michael Jordan took Kwame Brown, Adam Morrison, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Cody Zeller in the top-5... Ouch.

 

[Hoop Head]

I like the odds of landing Shai, not necessarily with our pick but making a move to get him. If there is one thing we know about McD it's that he values Kentucky guards. I'm sure he's on his radar.

 

[Mainstreet]

If not already reported the Suns are going to interview Donte DeVincenzo. He is a player I like although I was hoping earlier in the process he might fall to #31.

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[Chaplin]

Really interesting analysis for red flags for all the main prospects...

https://fansided.com/2018/06/14/nylon-calculus-nba-draft-categorical-analysis-wingspan-differential/

 

[Folster]

Really interesting analysis for red flags for all the main prospects...

https://fansided.com/2018/06/14/nylon-calculus-nba-draft-categorical-analysis-wingspan-differential/

Interesting. My dream scenario would be #1: Ayton, #16: Donte, #31: Holiday or Brunson if Holiday doesn't fall.

Bringing on 3 more rookies would be extremely unlikely though.

 

[Chaplin]

My fear now is that we will trade just to make a trade. We have all the momentum and a lot of power--I would hate if we get fleeced by some team simply because we don't want 4 draft picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

My fear now is that we will trade just to make a trade. We have all the momentum and a lot of power--I would hate if we get fleeced by some team simply because we don't want 4 draft picks.

Have to have some draft and stash options.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

My boy Chandler Hutchison popping on that list. Big fan of his game.

I've been following this premise for a few years. Its definitely something to form a frame of reference before or after breaking down film. A nice, simple guide to put certain things into perspective and to easily identify basic archetypes for some players.

Nylon Calculus is always a good read.

 

[Mainstreet]

Interesting. My dream scenario would be #1: Ayton, #16: Donte, #31: Holiday or Brunson if Holiday doesn't fall.

Bringing on 3 more rookies would be extremely unlikely though.

I could be quite happy with this draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

My fear now is that we will trade just to make a trade. We have all the momentum and a lot of power--I would hate if we get fleeced by some team simply because we don't want 4 draft picks.

This is a concern of mine as well. Every draft pick has value. A lot of trade scenarios involve the Suns including the 31st pick in most trades. If the Suns trade first round picks for a player, I'd like to keep #31. It's almost like another first round pick. And #59 can be a draft and stash player.

 

[Raze]

This is a concern of mine as well. Every draft pick has value. A lot of trade scenarios involve the Suns including the 31st pick in most trades. If the Suns trade first round picks for a player, I'd like to keep #31. It's almost like another first round pick. And #59 can be a draft and stash player.

Concerning the plethora of picks I have a half thought out point. What about the G-League? I mean, it's a developmental league right? I believe each team is allowed 3 players to be designated from the parent team plus the 10 other roster spots. Right now we take a limited advantage of it sending guys like Davon Reed down to rehab and get minutes. What if if we took full advantage of the "farm system" and sent 3 LEGIT prospects down to hone their craft? Say we draft #16 Kevin Huerter and #31 De'Anthony Melton. Those guys are extremely talented but like all prospects nowadays need work and time for their bodies to mature. They could really get huge minutes and build some much needed chemistry together as the 1-2. Heck, I'd probably want to watch a game if those guys were playing.

I just don't see how teams are really taking advantage of the G League, but I have limited knowledge on the matter.

 

[Hoop Head]

Concerning the plethora of picks I have a half thought out point. What about the G-League? I mean, it's a developmental league right? I believe each team is allowed 3 players to be designated from the parent team plus the 10 other roster spots. Right now we take a limited advantage of it sending guys like Davon Reed down to rehab and get minutes. What if if we took full advantage of the "farm system" and sent 3 LEGIT prospects down to hone their craft? Say we draft #16 Kevin Huerter and #31 De'Anthony Melton. Those guys are extremely talented but like all prospects nowadays need work and time for their bodies to mature. They could really get huge minutes and build some much needed chemistry together as the 1-2. Heck, I'd probably want to watch a game if those guys were playing.

I just don't see how teams are really taking advantage of the G League, but I have limited knowledge on the matter.

They added Two-Way contracts last year, we initially signed Mike James and Alec Peters to those contracts. It pays less than a minimum salary deal but it allows more than the G-League pay also. When signed to those deals the player can be sent back and forth between the main team and G-League affiliate as much as the main team wants. They can only spend 45 days on the main roster every season though. James' time ran out quick, that's why they signed him to a real deal. They then signed Danuel House to a Two-Way deal. Once the G-League season is finished the players can return to the main roster without an time limits. So it is a good plan going forward. Every team has 2 of those contracts available to use.



Here is some more info on those deals...
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7...-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

And another rundown from the G-League itself.
http://gleague.nba.com/nba-g-league-101-two-way-contracts/

Not sure how things work with second round picks though. They may be able to keep their rights without signing them at all and asking them to report to their G-League team but the player could go overseas if they wish. It's questionable. First round picks need to be signed to regular 1st round rookie scaled contracts. I don't believe they can sign Two-Way deals. That was a huge move last year for the NBA and most teams carried at least 1 Two-Way player throughout the year. A number kept both of those contracts filled, like the Suns did.

 

[Mainstreet]

Concerning the plethora of picks I have a half thought out point. What about the G-League? I mean, it's a developmental league right? I believe each team is allowed 3 players to be designated from the parent team plus the 10 other roster spots. Right now we take a limited advantage of it sending guys like Davon Reed down to rehab and get minutes. What if if we took full advantage of the "farm system" and sent 3 LEGIT prospects down to hone their craft? Say we draft #16 Kevin Huerter and #31 De'Anthony Melton. Those guys are extremely talented but like all prospects nowadays need work and time for their bodies to mature. They could really get huge minutes and build some much needed chemistry together as the 1-2. Heck, I'd probably want to watch a game if those guys were playing.

I just don't see how teams are really taking advantage of the G League, but I have limited knowledge on the matter.

It gets complicated. As I understand it, the Suns can have a couple of roster players in the G-league. As long as the players have no more than three years of service, they can be sent to the G-league. An NBA roster can only carry an active roster of 13 players with a maximum roster of 15 players. So I'm thinking the Suns can send members 2 of their 15 man roster to the G-League... maybe more. Then there are the two-way contracts.

The Suns currently have 4 draft picks. So we know Ayton is going to make the active roster and likely one other draft pick. That means the other two draft picks could be sent to the G-League. However, one of the picks could likely be a draft and stash player. Add in the two-way players, plus the other players that fit into different categories, i.e, expansion draft players, the Suns could have a healthy development league team.

The link below lists all the categories of players.

http://gleague.nba.com/how-rosters-are-built/

 

[Raze]

They added Two-Way contracts last year, we initially signed Mike James and Alec Peters to those contracts. It pays less than a minimum salary deal but it allows more than the G-League pay also. When signed to those deals the player can be sent back and forth between the main team and G-League affiliate as much as the main team wants. They can only spend 45 days on the main roster every season though. James' time ran out quick, that's why they signed him to a real deal. They then signed Danuel House to a Two-Way deal. Once the G-League season is finished the players can return to the main roster without an time limits. So it is a good plan going forward. Every team has 2 of those contracts available to use.



Here is some more info on those deals...
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7...-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

And another rundown from the G-League itself.
http://gleague.nba.com/nba-g-league-101-two-way-contracts/

Not sure how things work with second round picks though. They may be able to keep their rights without signing them at all and asking them to report to their G-League team but the player could go overseas if they wish. It's questionable. First round picks need to be signed to regular 1st round rookie scaled contracts. I don't believe they can sign Two-Way deals. That was a huge move last year for the NBA and most teams carried at least 1 Two-Way player throughout the year. A number kept both of those contracts filled, like the Suns did.

It gets complicated. As I understand it, the Suns can have a couple of roster players in the G-league. As long as the players have no more than three years of service, they can be sent to the G-league. An NBA roster can only carry an active roster of 13 players with a maximum roster of 15 players. So I'm thinking the Suns can send members 2 of their 15 man roster to the G-League... maybe more. Then there are the two-way contracts.

The Suns currently have 4 draft picks. So we know Ayton is going to make the active roster and likely one other draft pick. That means the other two draft picks could be sent to the G-League. However, one of the picks could likely be a draft and stash player. Add in the two-way players, plus the other players that fit into different categories, i.e, expansion draft players, the Suns could have a healthy development league team.

The link below lists all the categories of players.

http://gleague.nba.com/how-rosters-are-built/

Thanks gentlemen. After reading all that I'm not sure if I'm more confused than I was before. I guess we are allowed to "assign" a draftee, but it sure seems muddy.

 

[Mainstreet]

Thanks gentlemen. After reading all that I'm not sure if I'm more confused than I was before. I guess we are allowed to "assign" a draftee, but it sure seems muddy.

Again it's complicated but I see no reason the Suns couldn't put a couple of draftees in the G-League and rotate them as needed.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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DiVincenzo, Holiday, and Robinson are the biggest surprises here...

Robinson is a guy we haven't discussed much who I've seen some hype about in other circles. Good size and a potential point guard. Anyone have a strong opinion on him one way or the other?

 

[GatorAZ]

I have a feeling we’re drafting Holiday. One thing you have to tank into account is with Booker and Ayton he can focus on facilitating and defense. At UCLA last year his teammates were raw and really couldn’t do much offensively. His responsibility was too big. He’s not a guy that can do everything great but might flourish with a defined role. Once again we turn to @Russ Smith for his wisdom.

Also the suspensions and early on and departures the previous year really ended any chances UCLA had to be good. Without Holiday they might have had a losing record.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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[Mainstreet]

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DiVincenzo, Holiday, and Robinson are the biggest surprises here...

Robinson is a guy we haven't discussed much who I've seen some hype about in other circles. Good size and a potential point guard. Anyone have a strong opinion on him one way or the other?

I have a feeling we’re drafting Holiday. One thing you have to tank into account is with Booker and Ayton he can focus on facilitating and defense. At UCLA last year his teammates were raw and really couldn’t do much offensively. His responsibility was too big. He’s not a guy that can do everything great but might flourish with a defined role. Once again we turn to @Russ Smith for his wisdom.

Also the suspensions and early on and departures the previous year really ended any chances UCLA had to be good. Without Holiday they might have had a losing record.

Out of DiVincenzo and Holiday I'm not sure who the Suns pick at #16.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Out of DiVincenzo and Holiday I'm not sure who the Suns pick at #16.

It's an easy call for me. I like Holidays but for me, Aaron ranks between The International Meow Like a Pirate Day and The Biscuit Appreciation Holiday. IOW, nowhere close to the International Ninja Day which I'm sure we all celebrate every December.