Now We Know Why

[Garthshort]

..........the team wanted Stewart over Blake. Blake's performance was one of the worst QB performances ever. I can't believe the number of times when on 3rd down we'd complete a pass but still be short of a first down. Just terrible.

 

[Northern Card]

But, of course - he's sooooooooo much better then JAKE

 

[Garthshort]

QB

We'll see if the team benches Blake this week. There is no way they can justify not starting McCown or Parsons (since Forsey proved a third stringer can do the job). Also, since SF is also out of the playoffs and the top draft pick is on the line a change at QB is essential.

 

[TastyNugget]

Yea Blake is more llike a second stringer, he has never done well it seems... ok maybe for one season in his career he did well. A 72.1 rating is not terrible but it ain't great either.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Northern Card
But, of course - he's sooooooooo much better then JAKE

Actually he is. Actually they both stink, and Kordell does too!

Jake ain't doing to much up in Denver. Denver ain't gonna make the playoffs either with the way they are playing.

Jake had an INT this week too.

Peace

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by TastyNugget
Yea Blake is more llike a second stringer, he has never done well it seems... ok maybe for one season in his career he did well. A 72.1 rating is not terrible but it ain't great either.

He had 3 years with ratings over 80 and his career rating is just under 80. He's having a bad year, hopefully it's related to the lack of WR talent and a first year OC, and not Jeff's age, although it certainly could be he's losing it.

Jake is clearly having a better year in Denver than Blake is here. Jake's last 2 games, against Chicago and Oakland(with 6 defensive starters out of the game) he went 30-55 for 281 yards, and 2 td's 1 pick. Frankly I'd take those numbers from Blake now because of the 1 pick. Of course the Denver fans are busy talking right now about "what's wrong with Jake", it's all about expectations they're expecting a lot more production given the talent on their roster. Jake himself said in the locker room yesterday "we like to BOOT me out, the Raiders defended it well, so did the Bears last week, I think the word is out." So it'll be interesting to see what he does the rest of the way as teams are apparently scouting the Broncos and taking away the rollouts.

We already saw what Jake could do here, with more talent than Blake has had to work with he did even worse. Blake has played pretty poorly the last 2 weeks, I'm all for seeing someone else get to play, but I still think he's by far our best QB on the current roster, and barring a trade or FA pickup he'll likely be the opening day starter next year. If we get him more guys to throw to and he's still struggling, then I'll be concerned, but hopefully we'll draft or sign a young Qb for next year to compete with him.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Actually he is. Actually they both stink, and Kordell does too!

Jake ain't doing to much up in Denver. Denver ain't gonna make the playoffs either with the way they are playing.

Jake had an INT this week too.

Peace

What's Denvers' record with JAKE as the starter?

 

[wierwolf]

Why has Blake done good on the days we won and poor on the days we lost..... The line is too inconsistent... They are not blocking... Maybe I am watching a different game... Jeff hardly has time to throw... They need to switch the line like another thread is stating. Shipp or smith couldn't run good either.... The games we won the line blocked well... This line is supposed to be the meat and potatoes of this offense.... So far they are more like s#@t on a shingle....

 

[CaptTurbo]

We won 2 games when we pounded no matter what the results. Then we stopped doing it. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by swd1974
We won 2 games when we pounded no matter what the results. Then we stopped doing it. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???

Because we tried it against Pittsburgh when they had 9 in the box and fell behind, then predictably wound up with over 300 yards passing when we finally abandoned the run on every down play.

You can't be all or nothing, we have to be able to throw when teams stack the line, if Blake can't do that we need to get someone in that can. I still think Blake is the best QB on our roster by far but he has to stop turning the ball over. 14-3 the game is still somewhat close and then pick, fumble and it's 28-3. Jeff knows it too, but he has to stop doing it.

 

[JeffGollin]

Why has Blake done good on the days we won and poor on the days we lost
Let's put that question into context.

We've only won 3 games - ergo Blake has only "done good" on 3 occasions.

None of those games, incidentally was a blow out in which Jeff lit up the place. I believe, instead, all 3 games featured strong running by Marcel Shipp - all Jeff had to do was not screw up and manage the game.

 

[Garthshort]

QB Situation

My only point is this. We are losing with Blake, so why not try someone else. Can either of the backup QB's do the job? Let's find out. There is no reason not to.

 

[conraddobler]

I haven't watched the tapes close enough myself but you have to ask yourself is Blake missing open guys or not making the right reads or does he just have to see the same non open recievers time after time and finally his resolve to just eat the ball wears down and he throws a pick or turns it over.

I bet that sometimes it is just out of frustration that he throws a pick because he is in a no win situation. He should not throw intereceptions but he seems to eat the ball a lot during the first half then start throwing picks later in the game because he is trying to make something happen.

I think our offense just wears him down until he cracks and says I have to make a play sometime and then we see the turnover.

I don't think this happens on every turnover but it does on a signifigant portion of them.

Also it seems that he isn't really accurate causing some incompletions and add that to some dropped balls and later on he is pressing.

Just my opinion.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by conraddobler

Also it seems that he isn't really accurate causing some incompletions and add that to some dropped balls and later on he is pressing.

Just my opinion.

That's actually a real problem, he's never been a really accurate passer and on a team where 2 of your primary WRs, Gilmore and Johnson, drop so many balls, that's a huge problem. Not only can you not depend on them to catch the good throws, you can't rely too much on them salvaging some of your bad throws.

Bottom line is Blake has to stop making the throws in bad situations, that first pick Sunday was just a bad play all around, throw it away. The 2nd one was not a big deal he was just trying to score coming from behind every QB in the NFL gets picked at times doing that, but the first one was totally on Jeff.

I said this all during the preseason people expecting a great QB are going to be disappointed, he's a good veteran QB but he's not a 60% guy he's a hot and cold player, always has been. My hope was he'd protect the ball better than Jake did, so far he hasn't and after the last 6 years that's the last thing any of us wanted from a veteran QB.

I'd rather have Jake's less than 300 yards passing in the last 2 games, but only 1 pick, than Blake's over 400 yards passing but 4 picks and the fumble. Gotta protect the ball.

 

[phillycard]

Re: QB Situation

Originally posted by Garthshort
My only point is this. We are losing with Blake, so why not try someone else. Can either of the backup QB's do the job? Let's find out. There is no reason not to.

Excellent point Garthshort! I still stand by original comments in the preseason that Jeff was better for us than Jake was. He IS stinking up the joint, but the problems with this team can at least be attributed partly to the inept defense. Don't tell me we couldn't have at least beaten the Lions and the Rams if the D hadn't let up. That being said, we need to throw a youngbuck out there this week for at least a half.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by conraddobler
I haven't watched the tapes close enough myself but you have to ask yourself is Blake missing open guys or not making the right reads or does he just have to see the same non open recievers time after time and finally his resolve to just eat the ball wears down and he throws a pick or turns it over.

I bet that sometimes it is just out of frustration that he throws a pick because he is in a no win situation. He should not throw intereceptions but he seems to eat the ball a lot during the first half then start throwing picks later in the game because he is trying to make something happen.

I think our offense just wears him down until he cracks and says I have to make a play sometime and then we see the turnover.

I don't think this happens on every turnover but it does on a signifigant portion of them.

Also it seems that he isn't really accurate causing some incompletions and add that to some dropped balls and later on he is pressing.

Just my opinion.

Great post Conrad. I think this is a great analysis of Blake's problems this year.I mean look right at the Bears game and you see a Qb who was playing it safe (at times too safe) and suddenly when the end of the game was nearing, he tried to make things happen and hence the fumble. I mean, a safe Blake would have simply tucked that ball in and ran it but in his efforts to make a play, he leaves the ball exposed and it is stripped away by Haynes.

Also, they (the FOX guys) were showing numerous open receivers during the game and alot of the time it was the "star" player, Boldin. Makes me believe he is antsy back there and doesn't believe his OL will maintain protection. JMHO.

 

[seesred]

How many rush yards did we have in the blowouts enogh said. No run game, = no pass game= turnovers. Blake is not a great one man show he neads like most QB's a good team around him. Right now from Shelton to big there has been nobody standing tall a whole game. When we did in a couple of mid schedule games Blake was outstanding. Shipp was runningh and the line poicked up. Last two weeks I woulds fire them all for those performances. That being said we are in nowhere land with him and even worse with the two backups! Blake plays until this season is over.

GBR

 

[danny l]

Quit making excuses for Blake. I have seen every single game and Blake is inaccurate on his passes, he doesn't see his receivers well, he locks on to one receiver and doesn't seem to pick up secondary receivers. Sunday the T.V. guys showed time after time when Boldin would be wide open and Blake wouldn't throw him the ball. Someone said that he didn't have time to look for his receivers because of the lines lack of blocking. I don't see that. what I see is Blake setting up with time to throw the ball, but he doesn't throw in rythm. He holds on to the ball until the blocking breaks down and then the bad things happen. It is only my humble opinion, but I think that Blake may be the worst STARTING QB that I have ever seen for the Cardinals. And before anyone brings out the stats, we all know that figures often lie. ergo. 3rd and 12 Blake completes a 5 yard pass to freddie Jones. This goes down as a positive on the stat books, but a negative as far as a winning QB is concerned.

 

[earthsci]

The argument about Blake reminds me of the sayin, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater." We should play one of the young QBs (preferably Parsons) but, let whoever is going to come in here to coach, try and right this ship. Every QB that comes in here sucks until they leave. Jake certainly looks much better.