Oden To Miss SEASON w/Microfracture!

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It would be, had I said that. In fact I said,

"... a 'can't miss' project that, in their gut, most people knew they should have passed on."

I'll admit that I shouldn't have written "knew" there; "felt" would have been more accurate.
"Felt" certainly would have changed the tone of that post; if you'd replaced "most people" with "a vocal minority" it would have been even better IMO.




What I got from the lead-up to the draft was that Oden/Durant was similar to Olajuwan/Jordan, or Dwight Howard/Emeka Okafor, or LeBron/Carmelo, in that Durant had proven himself to be a great player (and was possibly the better player right now), but Oden had shown so much potential that he was not only the better upside pick but also the safer pick.

They brought Durant to work out, and he was everything they expected, so they were wistful. But there was never any chance for Durant to pass Oden, or even for Seattle to put enough value together to trade up to #1.


What I saw watching NCAA was that Oden was head-and-shoulders above other college bigs. Even when he had trouble against Hibbert, it looked to me like a lack of skills and experience on Oden's part rather than anything Hibbert was doing.
 

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"Felt" certainly would have changed the tone of that post; if you'd replaced "most people" with "a vocal minority" it would have been even better IMO.

Okay, fair enough, although neither of us can know whether it was a "minority" or not, since we can't control what the media feeds us.

What I got from the lead-up to the draft was that Oden/Durant was similar to Olajuwan/Jordan, or Dwight Howard/Emeka Okafor, or LeBron/Carmelo

Right, except you mean Okafor/Howard, not the other way around. Okafor was the lead horse most of the way that draft, and Howard overtook him at the end. (In fact, I remember predicting early that summer that Howard would end up going #1, and most of the board disagreed with me.)

Even when he had trouble against Hibbert, it looked to me like a lack of skills and experience on Oden's part rather than anything Hibbert was doing.

And that's a good thing? I'd rather see someone fail against good defense than because of lack of skill.
 

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And that's a good thing? I'd rather see someone fail against good defense than because of lack of skill.
It depends on whether he's 19 or 31, I suppose. Amare has (had?) some of the same problems against immobile bigs.

Howard wasn't famous like LeBron or Oden, but IIRC the Suns had Howard on top of their draft list from the start, and I assume the other good GMs did too.
 

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(They also could have done as I suggested, blown off Game 5 and bet the house on Game 6, which would have given them a better chance than the course they chose.)

But my point is that we seem to have different thresholds for declaring things done deals.

damnit, i was completely down with that idea as well. fight the battles you can win! know your limitations!
 

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Right, except you mean Okafor/Howard, not the other way around. Okafor was the lead horse most of the way that draft, and Howard overtook him at the end. (In fact, I remember predicting early that summer that Howard would end up going #1, and most of the board disagreed with me.)


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no, i think he had it right. okafor was the "proven" talent (like durant in college) and howard was the "monster upside potential" talent (much like oden given his stature, athleticism, and per your readings-limited exposure and success in college).
 

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For what it's worth...

Kevin Durant didn't test out very well in the "NBA Combine". He could barely bench press a 45 lb. bar.

So, there were concerns about Durant leading up to the draft.

Both teams got great players. Sucks for Portland.
 

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I WOULD feel bad for portland, if not for the fact that their potential star had the surgery on a rookie contract and not a new 70 million one.

I WOULD feel sorry for portland, if not for the fact that they could get another lottery pick.

I WOULD feel sorry for portland, if this was the first time and thus we figured there was a large chance he would never play again and have to worry and stress about it for a year freakin straight (amare proved this is not true anymore).

Better for them to peak next year when the spurs might have a completely different team aside from their big three anyway.

Sucks for oden but portland will be fine.
 

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For what it's worth...

Kevin Durant didn't test out very well in the "NBA Combine". He could barely bench press a 45 lb. bar.

So, there were concerns about Durant leading up to the draft.

Both teams got great players. Sucks for Portland.

exactly - further proof that Eric really doesn't know what he's talking about here. Dude, it's okay to just admit you're wrong. I'm not even saying that I think Oden was a lock to be a HOFer or anything, just that you're ridiculous comment about "most people thought they should have passed on him" was well, ridiculous. That was ridiculous.

Ridiculous. :)
 

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I WOULD feel bad for portland, if not for the fact that their potential star had the surgery on a rookie contract and not a new 70 million one.

I WOULD feel sorry for portland, if not for the fact that they could get another lottery pick.

I WOULD feel sorry for portland, if this was the first time and thus we figured there was a large chance he would never play again and have to worry and stress about it for a year freakin straight (amare proved this is not true anymore).

Better for them to peak next year when the spurs might have a completely different team aside from their big three anyway.

Sucks for oden but portland will be fine.

i'd feel bad for Portland if they had never won an NBA Title, however since they have and none of them are forced to root for the Arizona Cardinals (like I am due to hometown loyalty), I do not feel bad for them at all.

They also get Koosh up there - screw them.
 

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I thought this article was interesting (if a little too convenient) and it certainly adds to the discussion you guys are having:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ahq43amV7U8ILXicFJNdQ828vLYF?slug=aw-redflags091307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Damaged goods?
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
September 13, 2007

Just this week on the telephone, there was an Eastern Conference executive studying Greg Oden’s pre-draft physical in his office. Even now, this report still didn’t look like the body of a 19-year old prospect, but that of an older, worn veteran.

“From our (trainers and doctors), there were red flags everywhere,” he said.

The executive started listing the troubled spots – the bulging disc in the back, wrists, the ankles, the hands, a right leg that was an inch longer than the left, and yes, the knees. He wasn’t alone. Several pulled files this week with news of impending knee surgery, and kept wondering if maybe the breakdown of his body was just a matter of time.

Despite it all, this executive believed the Blazers had done the right thing drafting the 7-footer over Kevin Durant. Then again, he never had a practical need for his medical staff to pour over Oden like Portland did. No one else but Seattle did.

“It wouldn’t have stopped us from drafting him but it would’ve probably made us pause about making a deal to move up and get him,” the Eastern Conference executive said.

An unscientific poll of executives, talking prior to Yahoo! Sports' revelation on Thursday that the No. 1 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft isn’t playing basketball this season for the Blazers, agreed with him. As it turned out, the right knee that had a red dot on the Orlando draft camp physicals turned into microfracture surgery for Oden.

Suddenly, he’s no longer the promise of the next Bill Russell.

Suddenly, he’s the fear of Sam Bowie.

Until there’s proof that his body isn’t breaking down, there’s a natural and legitimate worry that the Blazers could’ve passed on a Jordan-esque talent – Kevin Durant – to take a center who will turn out to be more defective than dominant.

Who wants to believe this will be the case? Who would want it to happen? The NBA needs Oden to be a superstar. He’s too talented of a player, too wonderful and grounded of a person, to consider the possibility that he could be a washout.

Several NBA executives conceded that the revelation that an MRI showed a need for exploratory surgery on Thursday didn’t completely surprise them. Some medical staffs who studied Oden’s pre-draft physicals expressed differing levels of concern, on different parts of his body.

“Our trainers did say they thought he had somewhat of an issue (with the right knee), but they weren't sure to what extent,” one Western Conference executive said. “I guess we're starting to see now that it’s more serious than some people thought.”

As one high-ranking basketball official with access to several trainers at the Orlando pre-draft camps remembered being told, “There were some things about (Oden’s knee) that were interesting and that if they had a chance (to draft) him, they would have to look a lot closer.”

All in all, one Eastern Conference personnel man said, “It was not a good physical.”

Nobody studied Oden closer than the Blazers and Sonics, and sources say that both teams would’ve still drafted him with the No. 1 pick. Only Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard knows how much of a risk he believed drafting Oden would be for his franchise. Oden had missed part of his freshman season at Ohio State with wrist surgery, and several teams wondered whether he had regained the complete range of motion in that shooting wrist.

Still, they believed it would return with time, but cartilage damage that causes microfracture surgery? Amare Stoudemire and Jason Kidd made it back the same, but Allan Houston and Penny Hardaway never did. For Oden, you have to wonder: Is this the end of his body breaking down, or just the beginning of it?

For now, Oden, a charismatic and lovable kid, will spend a long, rainy winter in Portland rehabilitating that right knee. Under Pritchard, everything had gone right for the Blazers in the past two seasons – the draft day deals for Rookie of the Year Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge, the winning of the Draft Lottery, the unloading of headcases with bad contracts. All of that contributed to exorcising that lingering Jail Blazers image.

Now, everyone will be thinking about 1984 again, when with the second pick in the draft, the Blazers chose Kentucky’s Sam Bowie over North Carolina’s Michael Jordan. Bowie had a history of leg problems in college, and those never left him in a journeymen’s pro career. No one wants to believe that this is how it will go, how it will all turn out.

Durant thrilled Sonics officials with his scrimmage and practice performances against the Olympic team this summer in Las Vegas. They truly believe they’ve found a generational superstar with him.

Of course, that doesn’t make anyone feel better in Portland, where the most promising future in the sport suddenly looks too much like the darkest days of its past.

One day Russell, the next Bowie.

Nobody else in the NBA dares say, “I told you so,” but deep down they sure did fear it.
 

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exactly - further proof that Eric really doesn't know what he's talking about here.

You are trying my patience. I knew that Durant had struggled with physical strength tests -- that was widely reported as well.

Your assertion that I "don't know what I'm talking about" boils down to the fact that I don't agree with you. Slinslin, who knows this stuff better than most everyone -- and certainly better than you -- already said that I had a valid point (although he stopped short of saying he agreed with me), and the article just now posted by PetryJr backs me up as well.

You need to recognize the difference between your opinion and fact. Until you do that, you won't be worth anyone's debate time, and you are guilty of intellectual sins even worse than those you routinely criticize "some other posters" for.
 

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Although my first thought is for hoping Oden a speedy recovery, my second thought was how this kinda sucks the entertainment value right out of my tickets. Without the prospect of seeing Oden mature over the span of a season there is a little less thrill in all those games I'm going to. Of course I am still proud of Portland for trading Randolph and drafting on character, and will root for them against anyone but the Suns... but this just bites.
 

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Kevin Durant didn't test out very well in the "NBA Combine". He could barely bench press a 45 lb. bar.
I think this is more in Durant advantage. It just means that he didn't worked on his strength yet. It just give him more upside. Once he will have spent time working on his body he will be even better.

That said, Oden was still the #1. The only question being how injury prone he is. I hope he will be fine when he is back but a 19yo player with an already long list of injuries is not a very good sign :(
 

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While it is a buzzkill, roy/aldridge/frye/blake/JJ/JJ will still be worth watching develop
 

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There's no argument quite like the internet hindsight argument.

I for one, have never bought the Oden hype. Not for injury concerns really, but for the lack of fire he showed in the NCAAs...until the final game where he showed up finally. I would have taken Durant over him...but I also freely admit I'm not a big fan of center play anyway. Hell, Cap isn't even in my top ten favorite Lakers. Shaq barely is...maybe...and that's just for the sound bytes.
 

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I for one, have never bought the Oden hype. Not for injury concerns really, but for the lack of fire he showed in the NCAAs...until the final game where he showed up finally. I would have taken Durant over him...but I also freely admit I'm not a big fan of center play anyway. Hell, Cap isn't even in my top ten favorite Lakers. Shaq barely is...maybe...and that's just for the sound bytes.

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i'd feel bad for Portland if they had never won an NBA Title, however since they have and none of them are forced to root for the Arizona Cardinals (like I am due to hometown loyalty), I do not feel bad for them at all.

They also get Koosh up there - screw them.
Koosh?
 

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So stephen a smith was on espn talking about some physicians thought oden showed signs of knee issues before the draft, and went on to say

Regardless, he is still a franchise player, still worthy of #1 pick, so its a mute point.
 

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No one ever accused Smith of being eduacted. And since, for him, keeping quiet would be a fate worse than death, it's not surprising that he confuses "mute" with "moot."
 
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