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Mitch

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Interesting that Coach Whisenhunt said that he abandoned the no huddle offense because the players were making too many mistakes---and that the first-half success in the no huddle was basically "lucky."

My questions are these:

(1) If the no huddle allowed Fitz to get open and be double teamed less---why change it under any circumstance? If you are getting lucky, why change it?

(2) What is halftime for? Getting the players on the same page---addressing first half mistakes, anticipating what the Seahawks will do and what adjustments they will make.

(3) If the coaches scrapped it because of too many mistakes, how well coached has it been in the first place? Why wouldn't the hurry-up offense be very well coached up and prepared by now? It's not rocket science.

What the No Huddle Was Accomplishing:

(1) No personnel changes for the Seahawks.
(2) A steady diet of zone coverage and far fewer mixed coverages.
(3) Far fewer blitz schemes.
(4) Tiring out the pass rushers.
(5) Moving the chains.
(6) Giving the team a psychological advantage, especially when the WR they are bracketing and desperately trying to take away is having success.

Over-reaction on the coaches' part to Trufant's late first half interception in the no huddle. What happened is this:

(1) Trufant made a savvy veteran play backtracking from his "under" zone to pick the pass off...much the way Daryl Washington did on his interception of Cam Newton in the second half of Game 1.
(2) To throw a deep out of that distance, it behooves the QB to do three things: (a) not camp out too deep in the pocket, thus making it an even longer throw; (b) step into the throw---it has to be thrown on a rope; (c) the ball has to be thrown in advance of Fitz's break to the designated yard marker on the sideline.

None of the above happened on the play, which caused a later than desired throw that was underthrown behind Fitz's cut, not ahead of it.

These are what sideline and half-time adjustments are. There is NO reason why Kevin Kolb can't make that throw if the adjustments are made.

Second Half Brain Farts---in the Coaching:

(1) Abandoning the no huddle, especially after a series of woeful three and outs.
(2) Allowing the Seahawks to dictate to the Cardinals' offense by bracketing Fitz and taking him out of the game. Thus the coaches gave the Seahawks the total psychological advantage back...and thus giving them more and more confidence as Fitz was getting shut out...and the other receivers were not posing any serious threats for them.
(3) Calling plays like WR hitch passes that are extremely difficult to get positive gains out of from a pressing man into zone defense---the defenders are right there---they were not giving cushion. That play should have not even been in the plans this week, let alone called on one of the most critical plays in the game.

How Could the Coaches Have Adjusted?

In my Seattle Prep Week post last Monday---I knew exactly what the Seahawks were going to do and said so (press coverage with mixture of man and zone and bracket combos on Fitz). How did I know? it's what they did to us in BOTH games last year---and this is what frustrates me so much about Whisenhunt and the offensive coaches because they should have had the right plan in place---and yet there is NO evidence whatsoever that there was any semblance of the right plan (just as there was NO evidence of the plan the SECOND time we played them at home last year and they whomped us again). How do i know there's no evidence? Here are a few reasons:

(1) Keeping Fitz on an island and never motioning him---if there is ANY WR in the NFL who could beat a double team, it is Fitz---but not when he has to fight off the jam. By motioning him, it gives him a running head start and makes it almost impossible for the Seahawks to jam him---in fact, they wouldn't have even tried. And now, Fitz could run his patented double moves, like the fake slant, plant and dig route, or the opposite.
(2) Motioning Fitz also causes defensive assignment switches on the fly---which often causes confusion and opens things up for other WRs and TEs. if CB Browner chases---YOU KNOW IT'S MAN COVERAGE and the opposite safety has to switch his attention to Fitz. Thus you are creating man isolations away from Fitz...AND...best of all, do you think Fitz could beat Browner on a motion out pass? It would have been there anytime they went man and Fitz would have remained a constant threat in the offense.
(3) The other thing is occasionally YOU HAVE TO TAKE DEEP SHOTS downfield---otherwise their safeties like Chancellor can read the QB's eyes and cherry pick like he did all day long.
(4) As for beating man coverage---you have to run twin and trip rub-offs and crossing routes---the Cardinals tried to run zone gap routes all the time---and their routes were so predictable, stopped short and close together that two defenders could cover three---and the LBers and CBs could hang in the lower zones because there was never any deep threat.
(5) Lastly, the spread no huddle opens up a plethora of big opportunities for the single RB. the delay handoff that they ran so well last week versus the Redskins---what that does is totally slow down the pass rush, which is EXACTLY what you want. Plus it makes the linebackers play up---which is EXACTLY what you want in order to keep the middle wide open. And if your RB is faster than the LB, you have pass receiving options galore on circle, out and flare passes. AGAIN---after having such success with the 1 RB handoff plays out of the spread---it was inexplicably abandoned last week and we never saw it this week. What---are we going to hear they weren't prepared to run it? That they got "lucky" with it before?

Now you see more specifically why these coaches have me and others at our wits' end. I am not criticizing them for the sake of criticizing. But this has been going on for far too long---it's a disturbing pattern of being grossly under-prepared---and it is the reason why it is so difficult to garner any confidence in the way they prepare the team and manage the personnel. It's very discouraging, to say the least.
 
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Nice in depth write up Mitch. Thanks. Your speaking for me on a lot of issues there.
 

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If I weren't terrified you'd trade half of our roster and draft picks, and bring in BSP to start, I'd hand you the keys to the Cardinals.

I do believe you'd have them ready to play on gameday - even if it might be unconventional at times.
 

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(1) Keeping Fitz on an island and never motioning him---if there is ANY WR in the NFL who could beat a double team, it is Fitz---but not when he has to fight off the jam. By motioning him, it gives him a running head start and makes it almost impossible for the Seahawks to jam him---in fact, they wouldn't have even tried. And now, Fitz could run his patented double moves, like the fake slant, plant and dig route, or the opposite.
(2) Motioning Fitz also causes defensive assignment switches on the fly---which often causes confusion and opens things up for other WRs and TEs. if CB Browner chases---YOU KNOW IT'S MAN COVERAGE and the opposite safety has to switch his attention to Fitz. Thus you are creating man isolations away from Fitz...AND...best of all, do you think Fitz could beat Browner on a motion out pass? It would have been there anytime they went man and Fitz would have remained a constant threat in the offense.
(3) The other thing is occasionally YOU HAVE TO TAKE DEEP SHOTS downfield---otherwise their safeties like Chancellor can read the QB's eyes and cherry pick like he did all day long.
(4) As for beating man coverage---you have to run twin and trip rub-offs and crossing routes---the Cardinals tried to run zone gap routes all the time---and their routes were so predictable, stopped short and close together that two defenders could cover three---and the LBers and CBs could hang in the lower zones because there was never any deep threat.
(5) Lastly, the spread no huddle opens up a plethora of big opportunities for the single RB. the delay handoff that they ran so well last week versus the Redskins---what that does is totally slow down the pass rush, which is EXACTLY what you want. Plus it makes the linebackers play up---which is EXACTLY what you want in order to keep the middle wide open. And if your RB is faster than the LB, you have pass receiving options galore on circle, out and flare passes. AGAIN---after having such success with the 1 RB handoff plays out of the spread---it was inexplicably abandoned last week and we never saw it this week. What---are we going to hear they weren't prepared to run it? That they got "lucky" with it before?
I've been saying this for a while. AZ is the only team in the league that doesn't utilize their best player to the fullest extent. Both Houston and Detroit move their #1's all over the field, whether it be in bunch formations, motions, screens etc...The cards hardly ever line Fitz up in the slot to match him up against LB's or nickel CB's, they hardly ever put him in bunch formation's to isolate his route and make it tougher to double him. How is it that Andre and Calvin can consistently get doubled, just like Fitz, but they produce week-in and week-out? It's all based on specific scheming for those specific players, and obviously the Cards coaching staff is not up to par with the rest of the league.
 

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Why is it the Adjustments Whis makes is always to the detriment of the offense? WK2 Benine running from 4 WRS set was gashing the Wash D for 9 ypc, but he I guess he decided that was lucky too... WK3 he abandons the no huddle that was working as well...

Use it until it can be stopped...
 

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Nice piece Mitch, I think we can do a lot better and I'm right there with you. Plus the one game where we stick to the rush...is the game where our starting back is hurt. Some of the stuff just boggles my little hippie brain.
 

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There is a solution to all of these problems. Hire a strong independent offensive coordinator. But it will never happen alongside Whisenhunt
 

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Great post, Mitch.
Its irksome for me to see us try to run the wr screens with press coverage and Fitz or whoever having the corner wrap him up before he can even take a step upfield, yet the oppositions run hitches and wr screens so well because our corners are 10 yards off the line of scrimmage.
 

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Please stop. You have to get first downs in order to start the no huddle offense and the Cardinals didn't get one in the entire third quarter I think. We kept getting stopped on 3rd and 1, which never let us speed up the tempo of the game. A lack of offensive execution is more responsible for our limited usage of the no huddle than terrible coaching.
 

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That makes no sense chopper! Use the only offense that was working until they can stop it geesh. That's how we got first downs we sure as he'll didn't get many huddling up so your statement made no sense.
 

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You can't run the no huddle all the time. It's not college where you have 85 man rosters and tons of OL. I still think Levi came out more because he was tired than hurt. Missed assignments coupled with a tired OL can get the QB killed. I don't disagree that it should be used more but if it really wasn't in the gameplan, therefore not practiced as much, I can see the reluctance to use it. I think we'll see it more this week againg NY.
 

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Mods, any way we could get a team/fan person, like maybe Wolfley, to comment on Mitch's analysis?

Although some on the Cards observe this site, none will comment either way on things posted here.
 

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You can't run the no huddle all the time. It's not college where you have 85 man rosters and tons of OL. I still think Levi came out more because he was tired than hurt. Missed assignments coupled with a tired OL can get the QB killed. I don't disagree that it should be used more but if it really wasn't in the gameplan, therefore not practiced as much, I can see the reluctance to use it. I think we'll see it more this week againg NY.

I thought the Patriots ran it regularly. Other teams as well. Isn't that what all the commotion was about concerning fake injuries trying to slow down the no huddle?
 

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I thought the Patriots ran it regularly. Other teams as well. Isn't that what all the commotion was about concerning fake injuries trying to slow down the no huddle?
They may run it at a higher %, but I don't think that it is run all the time. I have been thinking an NFL team should run Oregon's style of offense but they would probably wear out the entire team in about 2-3 games.
 

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Now you see more specifically why these coaches have me and others at our wits' end. I am not criticizing them for the sake of criticizing. But this has been going on for far too long---it's a disturbing pattern of being grossly under-prepared---and it is the reason why it is so difficult to garner any confidence in the way they prepare the team and manage the personnel. It's very discouraging, to say the least.
Prior to last game weren't the Cards 3rd in the league averaging over 7 yards per play and Kolb had more long(over 20 yards) TD passes than anyone in the league? They had a bad game offensively without their #1 RB. Let's not over-react. It's not like the offense was stinking up the joint in weeks 1-2. I believe the Cards were one of the higher scoring teams under Warner as well. You can't base anything on last year with DA, so I'm pretty confident that Whiz knows what he's doing offensively.
 

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I thought the Patriots ran it regularly. Other teams as well. Isn't that what all the commotion was about concerning fake injuries trying to slow down the no huddle?

That core group has been together awhile in NE though, most of it at least.

We have a brand new QB, some new OL starters, were playing 2 new RB's a rookie FB all our TE's are new etc.

It's a lot easier to go no huddle with a core offense that's been together and is on the same page.

It worked for awhile but that doesn't mean there weren't mistakes being made too.
 

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That core group has been together awhile in NE though, most of it at least.

We have a brand new QB, some new OL starters, were playing 2 new RB's a rookie FB all our TE's are new etc.

It's a lot easier to go no huddle with a core offense that's been together and is on the same page.

It worked for awhile but that doesn't mean there weren't mistakes being made too.

But that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you could run it regularly without tiring out your offensive players.
 

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here an excerpt from an article Pat Kirwan wrote for NFL.com about the no huddle:

Here are five things I like about the no-huddle offense:
1. It lets the quarterback identify the defense.
2. It can wear out a pass rush that has to get in their stance early.
3. It can reduce what a team's defense can have on its call sheet.
4. It is excellent preparation for two-minute drills.
5. It puts the game more in the hands of the quarterback.
Here are five negative aspects of the no-huddle offense:
1. Teams can't use the quick count without a play called before the players line up.
2. Offensive players, especially receivers, can get fatigued.
3. Inexperienced players can't get the help veterans provide in the huddle with assignments.
4. It's tough on the road, where crowd noise is a big factor.
5. It can be a reduced package for the offense, making quarterback calls easier to identify for the defense.
 

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I should add Mitch, I love your enthusiasm, I always have, but you have gotta step back and look at the reality here once in a while. You spent 2-3 weeks complaining Chester Taylor should be picked up, should be playing in passing downs etc. Now you are complaining Smith should get all the carries and start, because Taylor clearly doesn't have it anymore. Maybe that's why they weren't playing him the first 2 games when you were complaining he should be on the field some? Whiz et al don't get the benefit of saying "my bad", when they make a decision and it backfires the whole board attacks it, quite frankly I haven't seen a thing yet to justify signing Taylor, he sure looks done and Smith is apparently a better pass blocker too so if anything signing Taylor probably hurt Smith's development.

Part of the problem with Fitz has always been he doesn't get separation, he's a great WR, unreal in the air, but he doesn't get wide open on speed or quickness, he just goes and gets the ball in a crowd, like on the amazing TD catch. So yes it's frustrating that doubling him took him away but they did that in the first half too, look at how many of his catches were against 2 guys. Seattle adjusted, and because Keith was having so much trouble blocking clemons it killed the timing on plays, when the ball should be coming out, Kolb was moving to avoid pressure. Its not just Carroll is smarter than Whiz it's that Whiz knows on every play there are multiple guys in the pattern and if Seattle is doing what they did, other guys have to get open.

Seattle was doing the same thing in the first half it just didn't work as well, some of that was the no huddle. The change I saw from Seattle in the 2nd half was they defended Heap differently which took away Kolb's 2nd weapon as well. Seattle just figured key on Wade and LeBron and make the others beat us and they didn't. Some of that is on Kolb too, he has to look for other guys can't lock in on just those 2. ALmost half his attempts were to those 2 guys, that's a bit too easy to figure out, both his picks were forced into coverage to those 2 guys.

Carroll isn't a genius, he just said I'm going to make you beat with someone else and the Cards didn't do it. Whether that's on Roberts and Doucet, or on Kolb I don't know. I say that because like most here when I'm watching on TV I can only see what FOX shows me and they weren't showing me if Roberts and Doucet were open or not.

Yes we want Fitz to get the ball more but when teams do what Seattle did, we have to exploit that with other guys, like we did against Carolina.
 

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That core group has been together awhile in NE though, most of it at least.

We have a brand new QB, some new OL starters, were playing 2 new RB's a rookie FB all our TE's are new etc.

It's a lot easier to go no huddle with a core offense that's been together and is on the same page.

It worked for awhile but that doesn't mean there weren't mistakes being made too.

Yup. If you have a guy who's been in the system for years and a group around him that knows what they're doing (Indy, Houston, New Orleans, Green Bay, New England, San Diego, etc.) then the no huddle can be an effective tool, because the QB is an extension of the offensive playcaller. But Kolb and Whis are still feeling each other out, and you can't trust Roberts, Sherman, Housler, etc., to be on the same page.
 

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But that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you could run it regularly without tiring out your offensive players.

Sure it does, tired players make more mistakes. But when they've been in a system for a couple of years it's easier to do something like the no huddle because it's second nature to them, they're less likely to make fatigue mistakes.
 

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Sure it does, tired players make more mistakes. But when they've been in a system for a couple of years it's easier to do something like the no huddle because it's second nature to them, they're less likely to make fatigue mistakes.

That they could run it better still has nothing to do with whether the no huddle fatigues players faster than a regular offense.
 

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