Offense Unprepared?

[Chopper0080]

That they could run it better still has nothing to do with whether the no huddle fatigues players faster than a regular offense.

Defense is naturally more tiring than offense. It takes more energy to react than it does to move in a predetermined pattern. What the no huddles does is magnify this by preventing the defensive players from substituting and therefore tiring them faster than the offensive players. Why the no huddle is predominately used after a first down conversion is because key defensive personnel aren't fresh having played 2 or 3 downs already, and can't get their energy up. Once these smaller rushers are tired, they are easier for the larger linemen to block which gives the QB more time in the pocket to throw.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

only the Cardinals can be inept enough to have one of their OWN players fake injury to stop their own no-huddle offense. seriously... you couldn't write this stuff if you tried.

that's pretty funny.

 

[Russ Smith]

You missed the point I think. Brown is so out of shape he's lying on the ground faking an injury while the Cards are running the no huddle? But he starts every game?

Meanwhile other guys are on the bench while lesser skilled players start because the former are out of shape.

There seems to be a different standard for different players.

No I think it's because Levi apparently made whatever weight the Cards set for him but Lutui and Williams didn't. I think that's stupid, it should be performance not weight, but I think that's why Levi is not punished and they are, I think there's some set weight for the guys and he made his.

 

[Russ Smith]

Because you would be running your hurry up with your base offensive package, in our case using 2 TEs or 1 TE and a FB. The goal of the no huddle to is to catch the defense unprepared with your spread offensive personnel on the field. This allows you to run the ball against a smaller front 7, as well as allow your QB to determine 1 on 1 matchups with the defense spread out in front of him. The other goal is to prevent defensive substitutions which gives your larger offensive line both the size advantage against the nickel front 4, but as those rushers tire, they make it easier for the o line to pass block.

Please keep in mind that going no huddle extremely limits your play calling, and increases the pressure on your individual players. WR's HAVE to see EXACTLY what the QB is seeing and the offensive line can't miss protection packages. If either of these things are not perfect, balls get dropped or penalties occur which allows the defense to substitute.

Disagree about the first part, the reason NE is so good at it is precisely because of the TE's. There just aren't that many teams that can put guys out there that can cover Gronkowski and Hernandez without risking softening their run defense. So they have to choose play run defenders or pass defenders and NE then exploits whichever way they go.

Heap and King aren't THAT good, but they're good enough we can do some of that too, but not with Beanie out because it limits our ability to exploit them on the run if they play an extra pass defender.

 

[JeffGollin]

Just wondering...

Kolb was having trouble locating open receivers (especially in the 2H). We out -of-town fans (limited by what the TV cameras zero in on) cannot see the whole field and, therefore, which receivers (if any) were getting - (a) a little bit, (b) a bit more or (c) a lot - open.

Which leads to my two questions:

1. In the 2H vs. Seattle, did our receivers get a bit lazy in their route-running and/or exploding out of their cuts?

2. Is it possible that we're tipping off our plays?

Also - just another observation, but it seemed to me that both Seattle and Washington made certain their pass rush came from their left (Kolb's right) and forced Kolb to roll out to his left when he was under pressure - making it more difficult for him to turn his body to complete the throw.

 

[JC_AZ]

Kolb was having trouble locating open receivers (especially in the 2H). We out -of-town fans (limited by what the TV cameras zero in on) cannot see the whole field and, therefore, which receivers (if any) were getting - (a) a little bit, (b) a bit more or (c) a lot - open.

Which leads to my two questions:

1. In the 2H vs. Seattle, did our receivers get a bit lazy in their route-running and/or exploding out of their cuts?

2. Is it possible that we're tipping off our plays?

Also - just another observation, but it seemed to me that both Seattle and Washington made certain their pass rush came from their left (Kolb's right) and forced Kolb to roll out to his left when he was under pressure - making it more difficult for him to turn his body to complete the throw.

THIS will happen again Sunday... and "adjustments" will be made someday to "correct" the problems... just sayin'

 

[Russ Smith]

Also - just another observation, but it seemed to me that both Seattle and Washington made certain their pass rush came from their left (Kolb's right) and forced Kolb to roll out to his left when he was under pressure - making it more difficult for him to turn his body to complete the throw.

I don't think Seattle was scheming which side they rushed from, it was just that Clemons was beating Keith over and over and that happens to be from Kolb's right.

I think if their RDE had been able to beat Levi that consistently they'd have been quite happy to have the pressure come from that side.

Although clearly making a right handed QB roll to his left is desirable.

 

[john h]

Please stop. You have to get first downs in order to start the no huddle offense and the Cardinals didn't get one in the entire third quarter I think. We kept getting stopped on 3rd and 1, which never let us speed up the tempo of the game. A lack of offensive execution is more responsible for our limited usage of the no huddle than terrible coaching.

A lot of this boils down to not having a running game. You can be assured if you cannot run the ball that your passing game is going to suffer significantly. Why can't we run? Largely because we do not have good runners. Almost none when Beenie is out. Even with poor blocking some runners will get you yardage. That is not the case with our runners. The old Rams team with Kurt Warner was a passing team but used the pass like a run. Short outs to great runners. We have no such runners. I have now lowered my years end record to 6 wins. We just do not have the horses or coaching staff. And as always the GM will be here come next draft day to continue his run as the man in charge.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Most teams don't prepare for that and again, the radio sideline guy said flat out Levi Brown sat not out due to injury or performance, but because he was exhausted in the no huddle.

I would be surprised if that wasn't the main reason Whiz didn't go back to it, he knew his OT's can't do it for very long. The reason more teams don't do it is because their players, on both sides of the ball, get too tired.

I would say a big reason NE's defense is not as good is because they run the no huddle so much now.

I didn't think it was possible to hate Levi more.

 

[Duckjake]

No I think it's because Levi apparently made whatever weight the Cards set for him but Lutui and Williams didn't. I think that's stupid, it should be performance not weight, but I think that's why Levi is not punished and they are, I think there's some set weight for the guys and he made his.

That's just as dumb.

This guy is out of shape but he made weight so we'll play him.

This guy can play but he didn't make weight so he sits.

Sure you have to draw the line somewhere. You just don't want it to be so rigid that it ends up being the dash between 5 and 11.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's just as dumb.

This guy is out of shape but he made weight so we'll play him.

This guy can play but he didn't make weight so he sits.

Sure you have to draw the line somewhere. You just don't want it to be so rigid that it ends up being the dash between 5 and 11.

Exactly, giving players a target weight I'm fine with. But playing one sucky out of shape guy because he made weight and not playing others, who are better players, because they didn't make their weight is counter productive.

Fine Deuce, fine Dan, but PLAY them. I just think in the end you go with your best players.

 

[Duckjake]

Exactly, giving players a target weight I'm fine with. But playing one sucky out of shape guy because he made weight and not playing others, who are better players, because they didn't make their weight is counter productive.

Fine Deuce, fine Dan, but PLAY them. I just think in the end you go with your best players.

I agree 100%. Fine 'em, cut 'em, run 'em after practice, make 'em play golf with me and Donald. But don't be stubborn and sit them on the bench when the team could be better if they played.

 

[conraddobler]

I agree 100%. Fine 'em, cut 'em, run 'em after practice, make 'em play golf with me and Donald. But don't be stubborn and sit them on the bench when the team could be better if they played.

^THIS

As a HC you have to look a few moves ahead, and see the big picture then avoid painting yourself into a corner you don't want to be in.

Jimmy Johnson gave a good analogy on this, if you have a marginal player fall asleep in a meeting you cut them to make a point, if Troy Aikman falls asleep in a meeting you say, "Wake up Troy."

Players understand the difference.

 

[Cheesebeef]

^THIS

As a HC you have to look a few moves ahead, and see the big picture then avoid painting yourself into a corner you don't want to be in.

Jimmy Johnson gave a good analogy on this, if you have a marginal player fall asleep in a meeting you cut them to make a point, if Troy Aikman falls asleep in a meeting you say, "Wake up Troy."

Players understand the difference.

agreed.

 

[D-Dogg]

I agree 100%. Fine 'em, cut 'em, run 'em after practice, make 'em play golf with me and Donald. But don't be stubborn and sit them on the bench when the team could be better if they played.

Totally. That is just stupid..."proving a point" is one thing, but when it hurts the team the FO should start thinking about the point they might have to prove.

Put your best guys on the field, period.