Offensive Creativity

[Harry]

Andy Reid, a previous Bidwill attempted hiring failure, showed on offense what Kingsbury lacked in play design. I’m not sure, of course, Reid designed these personally. However, 2 simple designs stood out to me. They both contained creative motion, whose absence several of us on the board mentioned about Kingsbury’s attack. First the Chiefs used Kelce in unusually short moves to disrupt the Eagle’s pass coverage. Second, the Chief’s twice started a receiver in motion who then reversed his field. This worked well because the Eagle’s used a man defense that required the defender to, in most cases, negotiate his way through the traffic of his own defense. Since defensive players often move before the ball is snapped, that defender had to watch both the moving receiver and the potentially repositioning defensive players. It’s not surprising the Eagle’s pass defender couldn’t as efficiently reverse his field the way the pass receiver could. These calls resulted in 2 easy touchdowns. BTW that failure to adjust after the first TD may negatively impact Gannon’s HC hopes.

 

[kerouac9]

Teams rarely played man against us because Kyler was stymied by zone concepts and we didn’t have personnel to beat zone coverage.

I’m sure there were man-busters in Kliff’s playbook; regardless, those routes were ill.

 

[BritCard]

Andy Reid, a previous Bidwill attempted hiring failure, showed on offense what Kingsbury lacked in play design. I’m not sure, of course, Reid designed these personally. However, 2 simple designs stood out to me. They both contained creative motion, whose absence several of us on the board mentioned about Kingsbury’s attack. First the Chiefs used Kelce in unusually short moves to disrupt the Eagle’s pass coverage. Second, the Chief’s twice started a receiver in motion who then reversed his field. This worked well because the Eagle’s used a man defense that required the defender to, in most cases, negotiate his way through the traffic of his own defense. Since defensive players often move before the ball is snapped, that defender had to watch both the moving receiver and the potentially repositioning defensive players. It’s not surprising the Eagle’s pass defender couldn’t as efficiently reverse his field the way the pass receiver could. These calls resulted in 2 easy touchdowns. BTW that failure to adjust after the first TD may negatively impact Gannon’s HC hopes.

What is motion? I don't recall seeing this recently.

 

[football karma]

If the premise is that Andy Reid is a better offensive play designer than Kliff -- agreed. It would be hard to find better

it feels like the Chiefs found a concept that Philly's defensive rules didnt handle well --

 

[oaken1]

using Kelces route to completely sweep the defenders from that side of the field was brilliant. you draw it up that way but in practice, without a guy of Kelces ability and rep, it doesnt work very often.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What is motion? I don't recall seeing this recently.

They used Rondale in motion quite a bit when he was healthy.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Chiefs got outplayed in the first half

Eagles got out coached in second half

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

They used Rondale in motion quite a bit when he was healthy.

Lol, I had totally forgotten about him.
Of course, according to Brit, he's not injury prone.

 

[Harry]

They used Rondale in motion quite a bit when he was healthy.

It‘s not just using motion. Most teams use it at least to determine if the defense is playing man or zone. What struck me was the way motion was used. It wasn’t just a fke jet sweep. It was used to get the defense to change their coverage or to disrupt their coverage.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It‘s not just using motion. Most teams use it at least to determine if the defense is playing man or zone. What struck me was the way motion was used. It wasn’t just a fke jet sweep. It was used to get the defense to change their coverage or to disrupt their coverage.

Do you mean how the Chiefs used motion, or how the Cards used it?

 

[oaken1]

It‘s not just using motion. Most teams use it at least to determine if the defense is playing man or zone. What struck me was the way motion was used. It wasn’t just a fke jet sweep. It was used to get the defense to change their coverage or to disrupt their coverage.

I liked the way Reid used a flood concept to clear one side of the feild just by taking advantage of the fact the iggles were afraid of kelce..... then just sent a guy in behind him.

 

[Harry]

Do you mean how the Chiefs used motion, or how the Cards used it?

The initial post was about a couple of examples of the Chief’s creative use. The Cards rarely ran a Jet Sweep, but did fake one that times. I’m guessing they used it to distinguish man defenses from zone. Typically defensive teams have a defender come all the way across the defensive formation to cover the player in motion if they’re playing man. Reid creatively had the person in motion reverse field and the defender couldn’t match. I didn’t see them running that play during the season (possible), but I expect to see some teams copy it. Great concept!

 

[schutd]

They used Rondale in motion quite a bit when he was healthy.

So, like twice?

 

[lobo]

Chiefs got outplayed in the first half

Eagles got out coached in second half

No doubt, keep in mind we saw a team play a perfect half of football which in itself was amazing.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Check out this story from Fox Sports

How Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid out-schemed Eagles in Super Bowl | FOX Sports

Behind Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs took advantage of a flaw in the Eagles defense in the second half to capture Super Bowl LVII.

foxsports.onelink.me

 

[BulldogCard]

It's not just the offense; it's the total team attitude. Reid has a very poised team. You wouldn't catch Reid waiving everyone back on a penalty like a fan. He runs a composed team because he's won. Reid could interview before a SB and he looks like he'll win with his calm demeanor.
I hope the new HC is offensive like EB. I don't know how much Kafka would open things up.

 

[Harry]

Here’s how The Athletic saw it, “Against an Eagles defense that finished the season ranked sixth in DVOA, the Chiefs scored on all four of their second-half possessions, coming back from a 10-point halftime deficit. The game plan was built on using motion to create mismatches and advantages in the passing game, and it worked to perfection. Defenses have rules they follow to react to motion, and the Chiefs exploited the Eagles’ rules over and over again.”

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The initial post was about a couple of examples of the Chief’s creative use. The Cards rarely ran a Jet Sweep, but did fake one that times. I’m guessing they used it to distinguish man defenses from zone. Typically defensive teams have a defender come all the way across the defensive formation to cover the player in motion if they’re playing man. Reid creatively had the person in motion reverse field and the defender couldn’t match. I didn’t see them running that play during the season (possible), but I expect to see some teams copy it. Great concept!

I thought so and I agree. I just didn't follow the entire thread closely so I wanted to make sure.

 

[Harry]

I thought so and I agree. I just didn't follow the entire thread closely so I wanted to make sure.

Ask for clarification anytime. At this point I even confuse myself.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

SK and MB saw something they were familiar with in the second half of the super bowl. The way Reid had the Chiefs playing in the 2nd half with their play calling is exactly what they envisioned KK's offense looking like when they hired him.

I wonder what happened. It didn't look difficult to me. An adjustment here and an adjustment there and Voilà!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

SK and MB saw something they were familiar with in the second half of the super bowl. The way Reid had the Chiefs playing in the 2nd half with their play calling is exactly what they envisioned KK's offense looking like when they hired him.

I wonder what happened. It didn't look difficult to me. An adjustment here and an adjustment there and Voilà!

There was a ton of creativity there. They put small WRs in at FB to confuse. They had someone so dominant in the game in Kelce that any misdirection involving Kelce was leaving someone wide open.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

There was a ton of creativity there. They put small WRs in at FB to confuse. They had someone so dominant in the game in Kelce that any misdirection involving Kelce was leaving someone wide open.

It was just a show of pure intelligence at work. Running the same exact play with a different player on the opposite side of the ball. A play the other team had no clue how to play in such an anxious moment, then throwing right back in their face before they had time to discuss and correct it properly.

I admire the Chiefs for putting on such a creative show for us in such a big game as that. I was so unconcerned about this super bowl that I didn't even watch it live. Just recorded it to watch and FF as I went through it.

I am wondering as I type this post if, by chance, Reid has copied any plays from the old creative Hank Stram Chief teams of the 60s-70s. I used to love that team and followed them even before they moved from Dallas to K.C.

Does anyone here know or remember who the starting QB for the Dallas Texans was before they became the Chiefs? Hint: He still, after all this time, holds an NFL record. (I will tell you the answer and what the record is when someone guesses correctly the QB.)

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Does anyone here know or remember who the starting QB for the Dallas Texans was before they became the Chiefs? Hint: He still, after all this time, holds an NFL record. (I will tell you the answer and what the record is when someone guesses correctly the QB.)

Len Dawson who also was the starting QB in SB I for the Chiefs

 

[Russ Smith]

Teams rarely played man against us because Kyler was stymied by zone concepts and we didn’t have personnel to beat zone coverage.

I’m sure there were man-busters in Kliff’s playbook; regardless, those routes were ill.

It's also because they don't want to play man against Kyler because of his ability to run. I agree about the other stuff it was clear zones confuse him, but part of why we saw so many is in man the DB's are often turning and running with their back to the QB and for a guy who can run like Kyler that's a problem

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Len Dawson who also was the starting QB in SB I for the Chiefs

You are right, but that is not who I was looking for. I didn't ask the question correctly really. Dawson did QB in '62 the last year in Dallas, but I am looking for their other QB who Dawson took over for and who started for them their first two years in Dallas '60 & '61. He is the one who still holds the record I was referring to, also.