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USA Today had a feature on the NE front offensive 5 yesterday. When I looked at their pictures I was sort of amazed that they were all white guys. Is that not unusual? I do not follow that team close but I had never really heard of any of them. They average 306 lbs with only the center under 300 at 298. Obviously they do a bang up job of protecting the QB and have played together for a while. Watching Brady play he does seem to have all day to find a receiver. Should be a great game Sunday but I am picking the Colts because I like Manning. NE is getting all the hype this year. You would think the Colts were an also ran.
 

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USA Today had a feature on the NE front offensive 5 yesterday. When I looked at their pictures I was sort of amazed that they were all white guys. Is that not unusual? I do not follow that team close but I had never really heard of any of them. They average 306 lbs with only the center under 300 at 298. Obviously they do a bang up job of protecting the QB and have played together for a while. Watching Brady play he does seem to have all day to find a receiver. Should be a great game Sunday but I am picking the Colts because I like Manning. NE is getting all the hype this year. You would think the Colts were an also ran.

RACIST !!!!

lol---sorry j/k, but I had to.
 
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RACIST !!!!

lol---sorry j/k, but I had to.
Didn't some sports commentator make a remark something like, "NE and IND are the two whitest teams in the NFL". Is that what you are referring to? There was some talk about it this week on either Cowherd or Rhome...
 

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You don't hafta follow the Pats to know those guys. They're all over television in the American Express commericials. Brady always picks up the tab at supper with his credit card. ;)
 

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it was strange yes, to watch ne last week and see almost all whitey on offense. very rare.
 

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PFT did a follow-up on the story, but I can't remember which media original brought the story.

PFT reported that several NFL coaches agreed with the theory of more white players helped the Pats and Colts, because it reduces the "Hip-Hop Culture"-element on the team, thus making the team as a whole more professional in it's approach to the game.
 

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that is almost racist lite. I would be surprised if there wasn't some sort of backlash.
 

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that is almost racist lite. I would be surprised if there wasn't some sort of backlash.

Is it?

To me, it's a question of wanting your players to act more professional and mature, and wanting them to concentrate on the game instead of sports cars, clubbing etc.
 

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NE is getting all the hype this year. You would think the Colts were an also ran.

They are now that they play in the same League(NFL) as the Pats. :D
 
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Is it?

To me, it's a question of wanting your players to act more professional and mature, and wanting them to concentrate on the game instead of sports cars, clubbing etc.

Now that is a racist statement.

And I hate when people pull the race card, but wow. :slap:
 

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Side note -

Both teams play smart football. It is no wonder that the Colts and the Pats are #1 and #2 when it comes to how many of their players have college degree's.
 

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PFT did a follow-up on the story, but I can't remember which media original brought the story.

PFT reported that several NFL coaches agreed with the theory of more white players helped the Pats and Colts, because it reduces the "Hip-Hop Culture"-element on the team, thus making the team as a whole more professional in it's approach to the game.


Are you kidding me?! "White" doesn't necessarily mean professional just like "Black" doesn't necessarily mean hip hop. Geez, now that IS a racist statement.
 

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I am pretty sure Tony Dungy isn't shooting for more white players than black players to make the team "more professional."
 

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I am pretty sure Tony Dungy isn't shooting for more white players than black players to make the team "more professional."

How do you know?
 

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FYI, here's the original article

African-American football players caught up in the rebellion and buffoonery of hip hop culture have given NFL owners and coaches a justifiable reason to whiten their rosters.

A little-publicized fact is that the Colts and the Patriots — the league's model franchises — are two of the whitest teams in the NFL.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7343980

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Didn't some sports commentator make a remark something like, "NE and IND are the two whitest teams in the NFL". Is that what you are referring to? There was some talk about it this week on either Cowherd or Rhome...

yup....cowherd had a segment on it
 

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A more accurate statement is that the Patriots and Colts have the most college graduates on their rosters. Thus they appear to play smarter.

I would say that is a more direct corrolation than skin color.
 

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How many of you have been watching Virginia Tech this year? The offensive line is all white tackle to tackle. The defense is all black. Point? There may or may not be one.

The Penn State school of medicine published a study quite a few years back that found whites playing football tended to be stronger, pound for pound, than blacks playing football (apologies if I'm remembering this incorrectly.) Is this valid? Who knows?

Then, of course, we've had the studies suggesting that blacks tended to have higher proportions of fast-twitch muscle fibers, giving many blacks a speed advantage. Is this valid? Who knows?

Even if the strength tendencies appear true, there are enough exceptions to question their importance or relevance. Just thinking of offensive linemen, off the top of my head. Larry Allen, Walter Jones, Pace, Larry Little, Gene Upshaw and others were certainly stronger than most of their peers.

Concerning speed, defensive linemen Randy White and Mark Gastineau were in incredibly fast. And WRs Golden Richards and Don Beebe could blow by anybody. Anybody ever catch QB Steve Young from behind?

Now we have a growing influx of mixed-race players and African immigrants to further muddy perceptions.

Using my own eyes, I can't think of one single NFL white player today who I consider fast at the true speed positions of WR, RB, DB or S.

Also using my own eyes and personal experience, Nigerian athletes, in many sports, particularly from the Yoruba tribe, were collectively the best athletes, both in speed and strength, I ever saw and competed against.

None of this means much of anything. Damned near every one of us could care less whether we had an all white or all black team as long as we won for a change.

It's still worthy of discussion.
 
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I copied this crucial segment from the article:

Race is not the determining factor when it comes to having a good or bad attitude. Culture is. (emphasis added by CardLogic)

Hip hop is the dominant culture for black youth. In general, music, especially hip hop music, is rebellious for no good reason other than to make money. Rappers and rockers are not trying to fix problems. They create problems for attention.

That philosophy, attitude and behavior go against everything football coaches stand for. They're in a constant battle to squash rebellion, dissent and second opinions from their players.
You know why Muhammad Ali is/was an icon? Because he rebelled against something meaningful and because he excelled in an individual sport. His rebellion didn't interfere with winning. Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, etc. rebelled with dignity and purpose.

What we're witnessing today are purposeless, selfish acts of buffoonery. Sensible people have grown tired of it. Football people are recognizing it doesn't contribute to a winning environment.
I think the author does have a valid point.

I don't believe the correlation that the Colts and Pats are the two best teams because they have the "whitest" rosters. However, they may be the two best teams because they have the most disciplined rosters. Even Randy Moss is minding his manners (so far) in New England.

Btw, the author of the article, Jason Whitlock, is an African-American.
 

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This isn't a real thread, is it? It's 2007 and the last I looked we no longer see black or white we see people. New England has a great offensive line, nothing else. It's not a question of being politicaly correct, it is totaly correct. People from all walks of life can do anything they want to do, as long as they are honest & hardworking. I think our offensive line is pretty good now, and it's a mixture of all types of people.

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Side note -

Both teams play smart football. It is no wonder that the Colts and the Pats are #1 and #2 when it comes to how many of their players have college degree's.

Wow that is interesting, where did you find that interesting stat, Joe? /kudos
 

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Using my own eyes, I can't think of one single NFL white player today who I consider fast at the true speed positions of WR, RB, DB or S.


how can you forget the great Kevin Kasper.:lol:
 

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Coaches don't give a rats behind what color their players are. They are looking for strong, fast and intelligent FOOTBALL players. Whoever BEST fits that mold is the ideal player. I say best, because no one will have a perfect score in every category. And if they do, they may have lousy football instincts. I've been coaching baseball & basketball for years & it all comes down to RESULTS, nothing else.
 

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