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Casillas has been living off his reputation this year. Valdes is better and should be starting, even though the coach would never do it.

Never happen. Valdes isn't even the #2 keeper. Pepe Reina is their #2.

But that goal by the Swiss was a perfect example of how to score against Spain. It's ugly and a mistake and a broken play. The Swiss never came close in the normal run of play. Well, except for that one chance late in the game where it seemed like 3 of their guys were pelting the goal--but that was the only time that happened all game.
 

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Don't like Maradona's fat ass, but this was hilarious:
PRETORIA, South Africa -- Diego Maradona made stinging comments about fellow soccer greats Pele and Michel Platini on Wednesday after the pair criticized Maradona's performance as Argentina coach.
Maradona said he was not surprised by their comments and that "Pele has to go back to the museum."
 

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General soccer question... why are there so many goal kicks???

Wouldn't a team be much happier just throwing the ball and advancing the ball past the midfield line? Little defense is played before midfield anyway. Teams that goal kick seem to get the ball back less than half of the time.
 

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Wow, fantastic win by Uruguay on the host nation. Uruguay is what Mexico should look like if they finish their opportunities. Now, Mexico must beat France to advance. Tomorrows game will be huge for Mexico
 

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General soccer question... why are there so many goal kicks???

Wouldn't a team be much happier just throwing the ball and advancing the ball past the midfield line? Little defense is played before midfield anyway. Teams that goal kick seem to get the ball back less than half of the time.

A keeper could just kick it short if that were his choice. Interesting point though, especially for shorter teams.
 

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A keeper could just kick it short if that were his choice. Interesting point though, especially for shorter teams.

In fact, unless I were trying to counterattack, I would rarely kick goal kick the ball.
 

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General soccer question... why are there so many goal kicks???

Wouldn't a team be much happier just throwing the ball and advancing the ball past the midfield line? Little defense is played before midfield anyway. Teams that goal kick seem to get the ball back less than half of the time.
First off, not every team has defenders that have the skill to pass a ball straight over more than 20 yards. So some teams choose to goal kick, simply because that's their best chance to get upfield.

Then there's the time factor. Slowly advancing takes more time.

There's the 'let them battle it out, we're tougher than they are'-tactic. A lot of teams believe in duels on the midfield and winning the second ball (the first ball is the destination of the goal kick, mostly in favor of the defensive player, but the header will land somewhere, and that's the second ball). Instant pressure on opposing teams.

And, very importantly, imagine a defender with bad passing skills. He tries to reach a midfielder but makes an error. That will mean that there's only a couple of defenders left to take away the counter attack, since all the other players were upfield waiting for the initial pass. When you goal kick, the goalie kicks it over the defenders, over the midfielders, and aims for a forward player. That means that when the ball hits the ground, at least 7 players of his team will be behind the ball, thus taking away any chances of an easy counterattack.
 

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Argentina-S.Korea : Two best teams in this group, should be a great matchup.
Nigeria-Greece : I'll catch up on some sleep during this match.
Mexico-France: This match could be for the runner up spot in group A. Definitely excited for this one
 

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In fact, unless I were trying to counterattack, I would rarely kick goal kick the ball.

You know you dont have a choice right? If the ball comes off an attacking player it has to be a goal kick. You can take it 'short' to a defender on the edge of the 18 yard box which a lot of teams do form time to time but as Rode says it a time factor and also the other isde would justpush further up the field to stop it happening.

Part and parcel of the game....and why we love it :thumbup:


Next time i am over there we are having a ASFN game :D DCR you can just start at the halfway line if you want ;)
 
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You know you dont have a choice right? If the ball comes off an attacking player it has to be a goal kick. You can take it 'short' to a defender on the edge of the 18 yard box which a lot of teams do form time to time but as Rode says it a time factor and also the other isde would justpush further up the field to stop it happening.

Part and parcel of the game....and why we love it :thumbup:


Next time i am over there we are having a ASFN game :D DCR you can just start at the halfway line if you want ;)

He might be speaking of a goalkeepers distribution...asking about a goalkeepers choice to kick or throw, not sure though.
 
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2-0 Argentina and they are in complete control. South Korea is trying to defend with numbers but Argentina's talent is chewing it up and creating a bunch of chances(as for whether they shoot straight when those chances come that is a different matter).
 
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Mistake in the back for Arg and Korea scores...2-1 now right before the halftime whistle
 

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You know you dont have a choice right? If the ball comes off an attacking player it has to be a goal kick.

I understand it has to be a goal kick, I just don't understand why it has to be long. I guess how I could see why time would be a factor, but since you lose a goal kick more often than not, it takes even more time to regain possession.

It's almost like taking a 3 pointer instead of an easy two.
 
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Messi does everything but score. I almost feel bad for the guy because he really does work hard and you can tell it is killing him not to get a goal.
 

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Messi does everything but score. I almost feel bad for the guy because he really does work hard and you can tell it is killing him not to get a goal.

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The reason why Messis not Barca Messi on the NT
 

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Lol nah, Messi doesn't replicate his Barca performances on the NT because he is used as a distributor. Aside from Veron, (whos already somewhat old,) Argentina doesn't really have a main distributor. The stats that Messi did manage to accumulate with the NT were back when they had Riquelme, who ran that offense. Doesn't mean hes ineffective, he's still producing chances like crazy, just not as great as he is with Barca.
 

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Not sure you can say Messi isn't Barca Messi right now. OK, he hasn't scored but he been bloody brilliant. Xavi wasn't good at all last night.

Thankfully I made my first transfer in my fantasy football team this morning. Put Higuain in just on time!
 

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Gallas is doubtful for France today. Replacing him will be Squallici. Can't say i know too much about the guy, anyone have any info? upgrade? downgrade?
 

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Gallas is doubtful for France today. Replacing him will be Squallici. Can't say i know too much about the guy, anyone have any info? upgrade? downgrade?

Don't know much about him, but I definitely like the switch. Gallas is on my EPL team, but he's more of a detriment to the team dynamic on the French national team (not as much as their loser of a coach though).
 
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