Ok Kolb bashers

[PDXChris]

I disagree. I think most thought Kolb lost the job and Skelton was the starter by default. Neither "won" much of anything in the preseason. Fairly meh to blech from both of them.

I agree.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Man, this thread is really a giant waste of time. I tried to catch back up on it, but can't stomach all of it.

Hey, how about the posters here try to be as classy about the QB situation as Kolb and Skelton have been? If Kolb isn't being an "I told you so", and Skelton isn't being pouty, then why do some of us have to be?

Wise

:dropsmike:

On this board being right is all that matters to many. Personally I will worry about being right on my evaluations when somebody is paying me for them.

The gotcha thing is getting old. Particularly when we are 4-0 and should be enjoying it. JMO.

Right because I make it a point to rub in all other posters face every time they are wrong. Thats not what Im about.

With K9 you reap what you sow. You are going to bust my and TJ's ass for a year on Kolb bringing it up thread after thread after thread in a caustic and condescending way each and every time, then you better expect when things go back in my favor that i make sure to underline the point right back to you. Just like many did with Daryl Washington. Its not the differing opinion. Its the medium its delivered in.

And man am I enjoying 4-0. And even moreso that my faith in Kevin Kolb at least wasn't completely misplaced.

 

[daves]

The Cardinals started out 7-0 in 1974.

...dave

you are correct. However, we are on an 8 game home win streak that is the longest since 1925. With it being so long since we've looked this good, there's a LOT of stats we're hearing about and it's easy to mix em up...

Oh, i hadn't heard that one! So 8 home wins in a row for the first time since 1925, 4-0 on the season for the first time since 1974, 5 OT wins in a row, and 7 home OT wins in a row, an all-time NFL record. Crazy times for a Cardinals fan!

...dave

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Right because I make it a point to rub in all other posters face every time they are wrong. Thats not what Im about.

With K9 you reap what you sow. You are going to bust my and TJ's ass for a year on Kolb bringing it up thread after thread after thread in a caustic and condescending way each and every time, then you better expect when things go back in my favor that i make sure to underline the point right back to you. Just like many did with Daryl Washington. Its not the differing opinion. Its the medium its delivered in.

And man am I enjoying 4-0. And even moreso that my faith in Kevin Kolb at least wasn't completely misplaced.

How about we just let it go and skip the personal attacks.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I disagree. I think most thought Kolb lost the job and Skelton was the starter by default. Neither "won" much of anything in the preseason. Fairly meh to blech from both of them.

Correct. I even remember saying something along the lines of that. I said Whiz was probably hoping someone would step up and win the job, not just suck less.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know how this got to a Kolb vs. Skelton battle, but my point in this entire thread is the individuals who are claiming Kolb is our "franchise" qb and has arrived, are completely delusional. Has he out performed expectations? Yes. Has he played well enough for the team to win? Yes. Does his level of play resemble Brady, Manning (both), Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees is any way? No.

 

[crisper57]

I don't know how this got to a Kolb vs. Skelton battle, but my point in this entire thread is the individuals who are claiming Kolb is our "franchise" qb and has arrived, are completely delusional. Has he out performed expectations? Yes. Has he played well enough for the team to win? Yes. Does his level of play resemble Brady, Manning (both), Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees is any way? No.

Agree. But has he done enough to keep his starting job for now? Probably. Has he won enough to put us out of contention for drafting a franchise QB? Probably. So to me, that says he'll probably be here next year if he keeps up anything resembling his first 4 games.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Agree. But has he done enough to keep his starting job for now? Probably. Has he won enough to put us out of contention for drafting a franchise QB? Probably. So to me, that says he'll probably be here next year if he keeps it up.

I think he's clearly done enough to keep his starting job for now. I don't know about him being here next year though. He's outplayed the Anderson, Hall, Skelton and Kolb of the past two years but he's got a ways to go to earn his paychecks.

Steve

 

[Shane]

I don't know how this got to a Kolb vs. Skelton battle, but my point in this entire thread is the individuals who are claiming Kolb is our "franchise" qb and has arrived, are completely delusional. Has he out performed expectations? Yes. Has he played well enough for the team to win? Yes. Does his level of play resemble Brady, Manning (both), Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees is any way? No.

Agree. But also does he play behind an OL even remotely equivalent to any of those guys other than Rodgers? No way in hell. He's played well enough to win. Put a decent OL in front of him and he may be a franchise QB. Hard to say.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think he's clearly done enough to keep his starting job for now. I don't know about him being here next year though. He's outplayed the Anderson, Hall, Skelton and Kolb of the past two years but he's got a ways to go to earn his paychecks.

Steve

Agree but with a caveat, there's not a clearly better option out there for next year yet.

Kolb has to do much more to come back on the same deal, but he has to do much worse before guys like Barkley and Tyler Wilson look to be clearly better options. And if we keep winning the only way we get a QB is if one falls sharply on draft day.

 

[Shane]

Agree but with a caveat, there's not a clearly better option out there for next year yet.

Kolb has to do much more to come back on the same deal, but he has to do much worse before guys like Barkley and Tyler Wilson look to be clearly better options. And if we keep winning the only way we get a QB is if one falls sharply on draft day.

Our 4 wins have already dropped us out of elite QB status on draft day.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Agree. But also does he play behind an OL even remotely equivalent to any of those guys other than Rodgers? No way in hell. He's played well enough to win. Put a decent OL in front of him and he may be a franchise QB. Hard to say.

I understand what you're saying and I agree it's hard to get a good feel for a QB when he's playing behind a line like ours. Still, I've seen more than a few plays where he appeared to have enough time to go through his progressions and fails to do so.

He's made huge strides just by standing tough or climbing the pocket when necessary but he still has a couple possessions each game where he hangs his tackles out to dry. He also has a few more of those WTF decisions that have to worry you. As long as he continues to improve, I'll continue to have some hope about our QB future but if he's the best he'll ever be - we need to move on when the year is over, IMO.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

As K9 says, you play to win your division. Kolb is playing as well as or better than all of the QB's in the division.

So there you go.

:championship:

 

[Russ Smith]

Our 4 wins have already dropped us out of elite QB status on draft day.

Thus my comment to get a QB we're going to have to take one who fell.

Worked for GB but that's pretty much an outlier thing.

 

[desertdawg]

Agree but with a caveat, there's not a clearly better option out there for next year yet.

Kolb has to do much more to come back on the same deal, but he has to do much worse before guys like Barkley and Tyler Wilson look to be clearly better options. And if we keep winning the only way we get a QB is if one falls sharply on draft day.

And there is a dozen more games to go, hopefully we will (as a majority) be on the same page come draft day. If we pay Kolb to stay, it will be for a reason, if we don't want him here anymore...we will probably have a decent draft slot to go with that conclusion and hopefully we can score in the draft.

 

[D-Dogg]

Draft Oline.

Fire Grimm.

:championship:

 

[Mulli]

Draft Oline.

Fire Grimm.

:championship:

You BETTER fire Grimm first.

Levi Brown over AP.

 

[D-Dogg]

You BETTER fire Grimm first.

Oh snap. You are correct sir.

 

[Krangodnzr]

How about we just let it go and skip the personal attacks.

Honestly Chris, I must have missed the personal attacks, unless you consider his description of K9's affect as caustic and condescending as "a personal attack".

Back to the topic at hand, I think QB's are mainly judged at the end of the year; if Kolb were to post the same TD:INT ratio, we'll be talking about a Pro Bowl QB, or nearly Pro Bowl QB.

 

[Cardiac]

With a thread that is 23 pages I doubt I can add anything that hasn't already been said.

While some got a bit testy on here I for one really enjoyed the entire thread.

Bottom line for me is that we now have a very solid QB situation. We may still need to draft a franchise QB but I think it has gone way down on the needs list at this point in time.

I think both Kolb and Bones have shown growth and improvement and none of us can say with 100% conviction that neither is the answer.

Kolb needed time to adjust to this O, really a fair chance to learn it and get real reps executing it.

This goes double for Bones since he is a 5th rd pick from Fordham. He has already proven to be cool under pressure and has all the physical tools one could ask for. Does he have the FB IQ to be a NFL QB is the big question left unanswered for me.

I never questioned either ones toughness and my concern that Kolb couldn't hold up physically appears to be wrong.

Kolb has the better stats and now that he has a much better comfort level with this O he isn't running around trying to buy time to make a broken play throw.

If a franchise QB slips in the draft then yes, go BPA. At this point I wouldn't consider trading up to get one because we still have some needs on both sides of the ball short and long term wise.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Right because I make it a point to rub in all other posters face every time they are wrong. Thats not what Im about.

With K9 you reap what you sow. You are going to bust my and TJ's ass for a year on Kolb bringing it up thread after thread after thread in a caustic and condescending way each and every time, then you better expect when things go back in my favor that i make sure to underline the point right back to you. Just like many did with Daryl Washington. Its not the differing opinion. Its the medium its delivered in.

And man am I enjoying 4-0. And even moreso that my faith in Kevin Kolb at least wasn't completely misplaced.

I do believe it was you that it at least wavered back in the preseason (if I am remembering wrong I apologize). In one of the game day threads you stated that JS was the man and if i remember correctly said that you were wrong about KK.

Not saying we don't have the right to change our minds, but I do believe it shows that we all get to high with one good game and too low with one bad one. I think KK has improved a great deal over the last 3 weeks, but I'll reserve judgement until I see it on a consistant basis.

Oh and I am a John Skelton fan, and agree with Rugby totally. But with that said KK is our QB right now and I am behind him completely.