Ok Kolb bashers

[PJ1]

ADUB is still having growing pains??? He really IS a man-child! Jk but if we didn't win, I would bet your response would be different.

Couldn't have caught him with a jetpack strapped to his arse.

 

[Syracusecards]

Groin

And no it wouldn't. He wasn't catching Hartline regardless.

I don't know, he was really close at the end there. I might not have seen it right. It was just so uncharacteristic of him that it popped out at me. Whatever, we're undefeated!

 

[Duckjake]

This thread and all the previous similar QB threads remind me of the Beanie vs Timmy threads we had two years ago where you couldn't say something good about one guy without posters coming on and attacking that guy in favor of the other guy. Went on almost all year.

I also don't get the concern with completion %. Kolb threw 3 straight incomplete passes before connecting with Roberts for the tying TD. That 25% completion rate was just fine with me.

How it can be a problem for a team to have two QBs who can overcome adversity and pull out a win is just head scratching. If you are a Cardinal fan both Skelton and Kolb, 11-2 as starting QBs since Nov 5th 2011, should be YOUR guys.

 

[JeffGollin]

We're 4 & 0 vs. Seattle, NE, Philly and the Dolphs with the roster we've got and the QB who's starting.

Look at the Card roster as a single complex football machine rather than pick away at its moving parts. Regardless of who's playing lights-out and who isn't, the machine overall is getting the job done. Don't try to fix what ain't broke.

 

[Syracusecards]

We're 4 & 0 vs. Seattle, NE, Philly and the Dolphs with the roster we've got and the QB who's starting.

Look at the Card roster as a single complex football machine rather than pick away at its moving parts. Regardless of who's playing lights-out and who isn't, the machine overall is getting the job done. Don't try to fix what ain't broke.

Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's longest thread ever.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Its great reading the board from 20,000 feet now for $5. You guys are cheap entertainment

Go Cards

 

[Duckjake]

Its great reading the board from 20,000 feet now for $5. You guys are cheap entertainment

Go Cards

I know where you're going so bite me you lucky ....

 

[MrYeahBut]

I know where you're going so bite me you lucky ....

.Www.bandondunesgolf.com

 

[Duckjake]

.Www.bandondunesgolf.com

Well I can play here everyday:

www.twincreeksclub.com

 

[MrYeahBut]

Well I can play here everyday:

www.twincreeksclub.com

Looks like a nice pasture to feed my goats

 

[Duckjake]

Looks like a nice pasture to feed my goats

LOL it used to be a cattle ranch. Goats are for people who live in the desert.

 

[desertdawg]

LOL it used to be a cattle ranch. Goats are for people who live in the desert.

That's funny because the Cards are the biggest goat in the NFL!!

 

[Duckjake]

That's funny because the Cards are the biggest goat in the NFL!!

Are they the ones that the Cubs threw out of Wrigley field?

 

[crisper57]

We're 4 & 0 vs. Seattle, NE, Philly and the Dolphs with the roster we've got and the QB who's starting.

Look at the Card roster as a single complex football machine rather than pick away at its moving parts. Regardless of who's playing lights-out and who isn't, the machine overall is getting the job done. Don't try to fix what ain't broke.

Wait, are the lights out on our machine? Why aren't we replacing them?

 

[desertdawg]

Are they the ones that the Cubs threw out of Wrigley field?

I don't know but now you got me thinking about this goat thing.

I think I need a goat, a mic, and some two way speakers for the next tailgate.

I plan on tying the goat up in the back of a pick up, Saturday Night Live style.

Then I'll put a Kolb jersey on said goat.

I will sit a couple parking spots away, out of ear range, but I will heckle fans walking by through the mic, making it appear like the Az Kolb goat is talking. With the 2 way speakers, I can hear the responses and keep it going.

I wish they made a Whiz jersey because that would be fun too. But Kolb is a good goat for now.

 

[kerouac9]

In the preseason, my thoughts on this subject were clear:

Our QBs suck, Kolb will suck less.

I've changed a little on this. I no longer believe that Kolb sucks; he's somewhere between adequate and good. I think Kerouac is spot on that he's in the 15-25 range, but I would put him closer to 15 than 25.

Should we draft a QB? Not if we are a playoff team, I severely doubt that we would find a better QB/QB prospect in the 20's. It would be better to build the team further than to draft a QB that isn't likely to be better than Kolb.

Is Kolb better than Skelton? I think the answer is unequivocally yes. People can hide behind the 6-2 ( 6-2 DERP) all they want, but the numbers back up Kolb as the better QB. As someone else said earlier in the thread, does anyone honestly believe that Skelton could make that throw to Roberts in the front corner of the endzone? I don't think so, and I bet 32 NFL GMs wouldn't either. Skelton is a nice back up QB, but I don't think he's even a top 30 starter in the league. I'd take Matt Moore over Skelton and I'd probably take Byron Leftwich/Charlie Batch over Skelton. My point being is that he's not even a great backup.

As far as Kolb as a franchise guy, no that's not what he's becoming. He's becoming that Matt Hasselbeck-caliber starter. He's good enough to win you games, but not on his back. If you need him to make a big throw, he can do it, but don't expect him to carry your team.

Kolb is the answer for this team right now, and Skelton has no business taking the job back. Sure Kolb is going to make mistakes, but Skelton will make more and he won't make as many accurate throws.

I don't think that Skelton would've had to make that pass to Roberts, because I don't think that Skelton throws the dumb INT on the series before.

Different quarterbacks, different styles of play.

 

[Shane]

I don't think that Skelton would've had to make that pass to Roberts, because I don't think that Skelton throws the dumb INT on the series before.

Different quarterbacks, different styles of play.

Yea because Skelton doesn't throw bonehead int's. Or at a highe rate for that matter. He's much safer with the ball.

 

[kerouac9]

Yea because Skelton doesn't throw bonehead int's. Or at a highe rate for that matter. He's much safer with the ball.

I'm sorry, were you saying that Dockett sucked in Week 1?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I would beg to differ:


Arizonas Finest:

Kolb can be a Pro Bowler. I'm seeing now what I saw in him last offseason. This is EXACTLY he player I thought we were getting. He has made big throw after big throw and we stil have posters coming on the board picking things apart when the overall evidence is you have NO argument.

Again 7-2 and 4-0. One of the highest QB ratings and QBrs in the league. Nuff said.

The problem isn't Kolb anymore. it's the prism you viewed him in PRIOR to the last drive in Game 1. If this was last year and the EXACT same circumstances had taken place the first 4 games, we would be hailing our new franchise QB and some of us even might be crazy enough to compare him to Aaron Rodgers

I'm still concerned if he can stay healthy but I don't think I'm going out On a limb saying Kolb is our QB the rest of the season even WITH a couple bad games. which will happen.

But now we know he's capable of the good games too.

Where did the quoted comment say yesterday was his great game? Isnt that what Cheese asked? Couldnt find another post to advance your erroneous point and went digging for scraps?

Again from my view He played okay and bounced back to lead the game winning drive. Again. Yesterday showed mental toughness I didnt know he had. THAT'S what all the "kool aid" drinkers are saying....not that hes Tom Brady all of a sudden.

Lets break down your bolded quotes of mine one by one:

• Can be a Pro Bowler. Like Matt Cassell was one year. You may disagree but again hes on the NFCs 1st or 2nd best team and 7 and 2 TD/INT and among leaders for QBR. If he keeps that up or even lets up off that pace just a bit....hes a Pro Bowler. And was "can be" really that extreme a view point? Sounds moderate to me based on what we have seen.
• I dont think hes the problem. I think hes a big part of why we are winning in fact.
• And I made that Aaron Rodgers joke for you. You get subtlety right? You didnt pick up on that? You going to bold it so you can twist my words again and trick other posters into acting like I was saying that in seriousness? Because im sure most people got the "joke"

Personally im loving this. Part of me hopes Kolb keeps winning and playing well just so I can read you twist it around week after week and break down play charts from 2011 and spin and spin and spin. Daryl Washington all over again.

You know when Kolb played a masterful game? Last week against Philly. He orchastrated the blow out in the first half aby making EVERY throw and didnt blow it in the 2nd half. THATS the Kevin Kolb we are getting folks. Have K9 keep bringing up he hasnt had a "franchise QB" type day with 4 TDs and 400 yards, yet neglect to bring up thats not the design of our team and that with this defense Wiz doesnt want Kolb winging it all over the place and getting the type of stats that gets fantasy players drooling anyway.

And again so far hes one of the top 3 QBs in the league. Behind maybe Flacco and Ryan to this point in terms of TD/INT, QBR, and Win %.

Also 4-0. Something we never have been since moving to Az.

All offseason we heard about how Skeleton won games and that his horrible numbers didnt matter as long as won.

Well now we are winning again although now at a HIGHER clip. This time WITH good to great numbers from the QB. And against great competition.

The theory of the Cardinals going 7-2 last year with Skeleton and how that success never would have happened with Kolb seems a little foolish now. In fact im wondering now if Kolb would have been the difference in Cincinatti - a game we HAD to have. So maybe it WAS the defense and coaching after all?

And yet we still have a 9 page thread debating this crap instead of talking about whats our ceiling? Can we win the division? smh.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I don't think that Skelton would've had to make that pass to Roberts, because I don't think that Skelton throws the dumb INT on the series before.

Different quarterbacks, different styles of play.

All conjecture.... He averaged over 1 INT per game last year. And only had 1 game in 8 where he didn't throw at least one. He had more 2 and 3 INT games than 0 and 1 INT games combined.

He had only one game with a rating over 90 and 2 games with a rating of 30 or less. 275 attempts in 8 games with 14 INT's.

In 4 games this year Kolbs rating has not been below 82. And has been over 127 twice. And the two INT's he threw Sunday were the first of the season. 107 attempts - 2 INT's.

I don't think it can be argued that Kolb at his best has been light years better than anything Skelton gave us last year. Heck.... before John got hurt he was 14 for 28 with 1 INT and a 51 rating.

If Kolb continues this.... We will forget how to spell Skeltons name by Thanksgiving.

 

[Shane]

I'm sorry, were you saying that Dockett sucked in Week 1?

Nope never said he sucked.

 

[Shane]

All conjecture.... He averaged over 1 INT per game last year. And only had 1 game in 8 where he didn't throw at least one. He had more 2 and 3 INT games than 0 and 1 INT games combined.

He had only one game with a rating over 90 and 2 games with a rating of 30 or less. 275 attempts in 8 games with 14 INT's.

In 4 games this year Kolbs rating has not been below 82. And has been over 127 twice. And the two INT's he threw Sunday were the first of the season. 107 attempts - 2 INT's.

I don't think it can be argued that Kolb at his best has been light years better than anything Skelton gave us last year. Heck.... before John got hurt he was 14 for 28 with 1 INT and a 51 rating.

If Kolb continues this.... We will forget how to spell Skeltons name by Thanksgiving.

K9 will probably just ask you if I said Dockett sucked in week 1

 

[TJ]

K9 will probably just ask you if I said Dockett sucked in week 1

Typical K9. Argument dies a quick death. Resorts to pulling out minutia from others old posts and makes them look like dying declarations.

Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

 

[Buckybird]

I don't think that Skelton would've had to make that pass to Roberts, because I don't think that Skelton throws the dumb INT on the series before.

Different quarterbacks, different styles of play.

Skelton never has played at the level Kolb is right now for any stretch of his career. I doubt he ever will either. Even when KK was playing bad last year he still performed better than Skelton.

 

[desertdawg]

Typical K9. Argument dies a quick death. Pulls out minutia from others old posts and makes them look like dying declarations.

Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

Do me do me!! What is my post style summarized??