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If that game didn't shake the sugar plum faries out of everyone's head, nothing will.

1. The Cards still have no pass rush. By the way, today's sack score Suggs 1 Pace 0. This game is a little unfair. With zero pressure from the other side, it's fairly easy to handle Pace. Suggs doesn't have that problem.

2. I said the offensive line was overrated. Anyone still want to argue, especially the part about overpaying injury prone players like Clement. For you Graves fans, much of today's line debacle could have been avoided by simply signing one of the many competent veteran centers and leaving Kendall at guard. I assure you the running game would have gone better.

3. Boldin was every bit the player I said he would be and maybe now the emails about my comparing him to Rice can cease. He isn't Rice, but he reminds me of Rice. I have no idea how good he can be, but I believe he can be a star.

4. While the loss of Starks hurt, not having a veteran DB who had been with the club long enough to know the defensive schemes hurt just as much. No veteran backup at this may positions is ridiculous, look at the receiving corps.

Finally, this team has good aspects. It has fine running backs, a decent QB, an emerging young receiver, a solid set of linebackers and a couple of talented down linemen on defense. It also has one of the best guard combos in the NFL. None of this matters if season after season huge holes are permitted to exist in the defense. This team has had no pass rush for 4 years plus. It's not the scheme. It's not the coaching. It is the personnel. Until someone builds a real defensive line this team will not be competitive.
 

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Harry, please drop the Suggs gig, it has no bearing on what he would do here.

You are just using it to take cheap shots at the team
 

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I have to agree about the stats not showing the whole story about Pace. He played an excellent game. Got close to the QB, chased down some running backs, etc.

But when he's the only guy to get pressure the QB just steps away. One man cannot do it all on DL. He needs some help from the middle or the other side.
 

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I agree.

It's even more rediculous when you yourself point out that this isn't a player vrs player thing since both players are being affected by the surrounding talent level.
 

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Well, we can't say Harry has lost his mind now can we? I wanted to believe scheme and Pace would drastically improve the rush--and it may ultimately--but this week his assessment was dead on, as much as I hate to admit it.
 

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Why drop any comments?
The report form the Cardinal Brass was Wilkenson was too old (but young enough to be in our backfield half the day), and the same with Marco Coleman. We'll see how he does against Tampa Bay. He's right, the adminsitration has done little to nothing to improve our pass rush. Harrington had all day.
 

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Sometimes we forget that the other team might play well and that lack of success is not necessarily indicative of your team's short comings. This week I'll chalk up the lack of pass rush to the fact that Harrington is hard to sack. next week though.......
 

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The Lions allowed the least amount of sacks last year & it has continued this year. Give them some credit. Special teams blew this game, not our inability to get sacks. Everyone is pushing the panic button. This was a very frustrating game, because we dominated the Lions statistically. But we can fix a few things & be very competetive.
 

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Sure, special teams were extremely poor, and not re-signing Martay in this situation would clearly be an example of cutting off their nose to spite their face. Also, the kickoffs by Grammatica and the coverage really hurt the team. Why not waste a roster spot on a guy who can blast the ball into the endzone every time for a touchback? Billy's "blasts" to 10-15 yard line really hurt. Scott Player played like crap, and his low short punt directly led to the return, which effectively changed momentum.

Harrington, while being a decent QB, was able to pick apart our defense easily, having absolutely no pressure on him the entire game. The fact that Fred Wakefield is a starting DE in the NFL is an absolute joke, and the fact that they didn't bring in Kenny King or blitz on a more consistent basis is an absolute mystery. The only way that this team will be able to generate any pressure on the QB will be to blitz, and while it was effective a few times in forcing bad throws, in the end, it hurt them as much as it helped. Dexter Jackson and Adrian Wilson were clearly not the dynamic duo that I expected. This was a long day for our defense, imagine once we are going against the Terrell Owens and Marshall Faulks of the league. .... :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by CardsRep03
Well, we can't say Harry has lost his mind now can we? I wanted to believe scheme and Pace would drastically improve the rush--and it may ultimately--but this week his assessment was dead on, as much as I hate to admit it.

No he wasn't, the implication from Harry is that we should have taken Suggs. Suggs is playing LB not DE, nothing he does has any relationship to what he migh or might not have done for us.
 

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Originally posted by nidan
Harry, please drop the Suggs gig, it has no bearing on what he would do here.

You are just using it to take cheap shots at the team

If Harry wants to speak his mind, let him. He has more football knowledge than most of us combined. Besides that, I happen to agree with his point here.
 

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this season I think the suggs talk will die down - because I thought they (baltimore) are going to have a long season. I was right for at least one day (blowout by pittsburgh).
 

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Originally posted by Harry
This game is a little unfair. With zero pressure from the other side, it's fairly easy to handle Pace. Suggs doesn't have that problem.

Nidan, maybe you didn't read his first statement completely.
 

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Originally posted by SeattleCardsFan
If Harry wants to speak his mind, let him. He has more football knowledge than most of us combined. Besides that, I happen to agree with his point here.

I agree, he certainly knows more tha I but why do you keep[ bringing up Suggs Harry ?

If he were playing DE on a 4-3 D then maybe there could be a comparision as he isn't the discussion seems moot. Other than as a way to take shots at the Cardinals organization.
 

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You cant' make judgements on the entire season on 1 game.Big's sprained ankle had as much to do with the Cards OL as anything.Hell,he's the best player on the team.So,it's pretty much impossible to make judgements on the OL.Also,just because Suggs had a sack today doesnt' mean he's a better DE than Pace.I thought Pace played pretty well today.
 

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Re: Re: Okay, Now Can We Get Serious

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
Nidan, maybe you didn't read his first statement completely.

Yes, I think I did, it seems like a totaly moot point why keep bringing it up.

How can you compare a LB to a DE
 

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Because I don't necessarily believe that Suggs is a LB. Sure, he plays LB for the Ravens, but I am sure he is more than capable of playing DE. I don't see the comparison as a stretch. Harry also said that the comparison is unfair, considering the supporting cast. that seems to be a pretty unbiased statement.
 

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Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
Sure, special teams were extremely poor, and not re-signing Martay in this situation would clearly be an example of cutting off their nose to spite their face. Also, the kickoffs by Grammatica and the coverage really hurt the team. Why not waste a roster spot on a guy who can blast the ball into the endzone every time for a touchback? Billy's "blasts" to 10-15 yard line really hurt. Scott Player played like crap, and his low short punt directly led to the return, which effectively changed momentum.

Harrington, while being a decent QB, was able to pick apart our defense easily, having absolutely no pressure on him the entire game. The fact that Fred Wakefield is a starting DE in the NFL is an absolute joke, and the fact that they didn't bring in Kenny King or blitz on a more consistent basis is an absolute mystery. The only way that this team will be able to generate any pressure on the QB will be to blitz, and while it was effective a few times in forcing bad throws, in the end, it hurt them as much as it helped. Dexter Jackson and Adrian Wilson were clearly not the dynamic duo that I expected. This was a long day for our defense, imagine once we are going against the Terrell Owens and Marshall Faulks of the league. .... :rolleyes:

Bad coaching.
 

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Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
Because I don't necessarily believe that Suggs is a LB. Sure, he plays LB for the Ravens, but I am sure he is more than capable of playing DE. I don't see the comparison as a stretch. Harry also said that the comparison is unfair, considering the supporting cast. that seems to be a pretty unbiased statement.

I know you are sure that he can play DE. Heck maybe he can, that isn't the point.

He is playing LB, so compare him to LBs (preferably playing in a 3-4). If he were playing DE then compare him to DE. It's comparing him as a LB to a DE than I don't understand. You just want to play at DE but that isn't happening.
 

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I understand what you are saying. I think the overall frustration of the situation has us all on edge. I can't stand watching game after game, a quarterback stand back in the pocket, with all day to pick apart our secondary. This has been a major problem for a long time, and clearly we did nothing to remedy it this offseason.
 

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The Cardinals HAVE to send more rushers than blockers and lock on man to man...almost all of the time, to compensate for their lack of one on one talent up front. They played far too conservatively and passively today, especially in the red zone where the soft 6-7 man zone was easily exploited by Mooch and Harrington.
 

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There were two disgusting examples of this, both on Lions touchdown passes. The first, on the one to Scleshenger (sp?), who was the fourth option on the play. Harrington had about a half hour to check down on all of his options, and find him wide open in the endzone. The Schroeder touchdown was almost as bad, with Schroeder making about three different moves, and finally got open. Coby Rhinehart had a very strong game, and looked far better than Renaldo Hill.
 

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