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[Shane]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/142868

 

[DutchmanAZ]

yep. I don't agree with most on here that our OL sucks. I think overall they're doing a decent job. Yes - there are a few missed plays, but no one can be perfect 100% of the time.
Thanks for posting this.

 

[D-Dogg]

The sack to Orakpo wasn't Levi's fault. It wasn't King's fault, either.

It was Grimm's fault. That was a stupid scheme move to try to block Sackpo with a TE, no matter how good at blocking the TE is.

 

[Pariah]

I always think it's strange when one media outlet makes a story out of another media outlet's story.

 

[D-Dogg]

Our OL is damn decent!


Anyway - they aren't doing a horrid job, but they aren't doing well, either. Too inconsistent, very undisciplined, and "good enough to win" isn't good enough.

 

[Renz]

Good post. Shows that most of the posters on here who constantly complain about our o-line, "It's the worst in the league!" etc. don't know what they're talking about.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't have any faith at all in PFF's analysis of anything. It's one game charter's opinion acting like statistical analysis. What does +6.0 even mean?

 

[Garthshort]

I would like to see how Deuce and Bridges could do with Sendlein, Colledge and Levi. Not SURE it would be better, but I'd like to find out.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

The sack to Orakpo wasn't Levi's fault. It wasn't King's fault, either.

It was Grimm's fault. That was a stupid scheme move to try to block Sackpo with a TE, no matter how good at blocking the TE is.

Exactly. I agree completely that the line problems seem to be more coach related. There were multiple instances where either Orakpo or Kerrigan were left completely unblocked or blocked only by a RB or TE. Now I'm no expert but this just seemed plain dumb. Why don't they come up with schemes to minimize pressue like they did several years ago with Jared Allen (Minnisota), where they chipped him as well as had the OL engage.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

I too think Grimm's coaching is suspect, but to be fair, there will be occasions where the defense simply out guesses the offense. the other side is paid to play too.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good post. Shows that most of the posters on here who constantly complain about our o-line, "It's the worst in the league!" etc. don't know what they're talking about.

lol... because an arizona beat writer says so and PFF says it based on one game? do you take them for gospel when they'll eventually show some negative about our team?

I don't think anyone says the O-line is the worst in the league. I think people say our Offensive TACKLES are the worst in the league.

everyone seem to be in pretty much unanimous agreeement that the interior of the line pretty solid.

but hey, why bother actually discussing what people are actually saying when you can win an argument by painting everything in black and white terms.

 

[Unsterblich856]

I'm curious of what it will take for Jeremy Bridges to take over Brandon Keith's spot. He's always looked to be the more competent starter.

 

[Capital Card]

I think most of the issue is that we have incorporated a lot of Mike Martz's philosophy into our offense.... the part that get's QB's killed.

We send a LOT of players out trying to spread the field. As a result, our QB's take a lot of very hard hits by unblocked rushers, usually coming in from the edge.

I'm not suggesting that our OT's are good... I think both are among the worst in the league, however improbable, I think they come off looking worse than they are.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm curious of what it will take for Jeremy Bridges to take over Brandon Keith's spot. He's always looked to be the more competent starter.

Keith has been atrocious this year, but he was showing signs of being a very good RT before his injury last year.

I think the staff is trying to see if he can live up to the potential he showed prior to his injury before pulling the plug on him. So far it doesn't look too good for Keith.

I think the staff also likes having Bridges be available as a backup, since Keith is not a LT and if Bridges starts at RT, you effectively have no proven LT backup.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

lol... because an arizona beat writer says so and PFF says it based on one game? do you take them for gospel when they'll eventually show some negative about our team?

I don't think anyone says the O-line is the worst in the league. I think people say our Offensive TACKLES are the worst in the league.

everyone seem to be in pretty much unanimous agreeement that the interior of the line pretty solid.

but hey, why bother actually discussing what people are actually saying when you can win an argument by painting everything in black and white terms.

The interior line is actually admirable, but the edge blockers are just awful. Levi Brown is always ranked towards the bottom of the league in sacks/pressures allowed, and from watching Keith, he's gonna be on that list as well. During Grimm's tenure, practically all of his linemen are listed on the most pressures allowed per drop back, so certainly it's a coaching issue, and a talent evaluation issue. Would Brown or Keith be starting tackles on any other team? Probably not.

 

[Jasper]

Keith has been atrocious this year, but he was showing signs of being a very good RT before his injury last year.

I think the staff is trying to see if he can live up to the potential he showed prior to his injury before pulling the plug on him. So far it doesn't look too good for Keith.

I think the staff also likes having Bridges be available as a backup, since Keith is not a LT and if Bridges starts at RT, you effectively have no proven LT backup.

The coaches and front office have no one to blame for the inadequate depth at tackle but themselves!

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't have any faith at all in PFF's analysis of anything. It's one game charter's opinion acting like statistical analysis. What does +6.0 even mean?

In market research lingo (when there's a scarcity of meaningful info) folks often authenticate their source as representing "the best information available."

I share K9's skepticism re Pro Football Focus, but at least they're goIng to the trouble of grading out each position play by play. At the very least, you could say that their info provided stuff we'd otherwise not have and can form the basis for beginning to think analytically about performance at a given position.

It's certainly equally as valid as saying: "so and so sucks."

 

[Stout]

Well, we're an average-to-good line when we want to run the ball, but we're simply atrocious at protecting the QB. Constant, constant pressure. I agree with Cheese that our OTs are not good right now. I have some hope for Keith. I have ZERO hope for Brown. He is a Bust with a capital B. And I'm a Penn State homer, so that should carry some weight.

 

[desertdawg]

I often label a team's O-line as a whole, which is where ours becomes extremely suspect. Left side or right we can't have blindside hits like that, I don't care what QB you have back there. This O-line is not whole, different guys suck in different ways and it hurts us bad in the long run/ span of a game. O-line is an issue, and I drink more koolaid than most.

 

[D-Dogg]

I often label a team's O-line as a whole, which is where ours becomes extremely suspect. Left side or right we can't have blindside hits like that, I don't care what QB you have back there. This O-line is not whole, different guys suck in different ways and it hurts us bad in the long run/ span of a game. O-line is an issue, and I drink more koolaid than most.

You and I drink a ton of koolaid...

and the OTs are just bad. Very, very bad.

ESPECIALLY bad in pass pro.

 

[Seandonic]

Really Kent? "Brown struggles at times in pass protection." Really? He sucks! Period!

Keith is a seventh round pick who should be at best, a back up. Why is Bridges not starting?

That's all this team and Russ "Guru" Grimm need, an "expert" to join the list of blind homers making excuses for this worthless tandem.

P.S. To blame the entire O-line is foolish. The interior line is very solid and hopefully will be kept intact to build upon for next season.

 

[az1965]

OL is getting its fair share of the criticism... but lets not forget Kolb is making it tough on the OL as well. He goes too far back, he rolls out of pocket too often, he does not step up into the pocket very well in fact I don't remember when he actually did that. All these things make protection tough on the tackles.

 

[az1965]

Keith has been atrocious this year, but he was showing signs of being a very good RT before his injury last year.

Really? I thought he was struggling significantly before going out.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The coaches and front office have no one to blame for the inadequate depth at tackle but themselves!

That is true. I think they have taken 3 OL(Brown, Big and Lutui) above round 3 in the last 10-12 years.

 

[Duckjake]

In market research lingo (when there's a scarcity of meaningful info) folks often authenticate their source as representing "the best information available."

I share K9's skepticism re Pro Football Focus, but at least they're goIng to the trouble of grading out each position play by play. At the very least, you could say that their info provided stuff we'd otherwise not have and can form the basis for beginning to think analytically about performance at a given position.

It's certainly equally as valid as saying: "so and so sucks."

What I'd like to know is how they manage to grade every player play by play.

Each team has around 60 plays a game and there are 22 starters. So they would have to watch around 42,000 plays. To really analyze what happened they'd need to watch each one 3 times that's 120,000.

Are these guys doing this full time like 8-5?