OMG I can't stand the Miami Heat and all the BS that surrounds them

[chickenhead]

Good point. In his NBA career I just tend to think of him as the Heat's first pick.

Funny that we picked Tim Perry two ahead of Seikaly, but also that future Sun Rex Chapman was the pick in between. And of course Danny Manning went #1 that year.

Oh, and some guy who goes by Thunder Dan five picks later at #14...

 

[ASUCHRIS]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9364555/tim-duncan-part-2

Perhaps a jog of the memory may make some of you rethink your support of the Spurs. I still get fired up by the 06-07 series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fvkKdXLwt0U

The cheap shots, the flopping, the refs, just destroyed what should have been a great series. Disgusting.

 

[Mainstreet]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9364555/tim-duncan-part-2

Perhaps a jog of the memory may make some of you rethink your support of the Spurs. I still get fired up by the 06-07 series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fvkKdXLwt0U

The cheap shots, the flopping, the refs, just destroyed what should have been a great series. Disgusting.

I can't ever root for the Spurs. The memories do not fade.

 

[Joe Mama]

I don't really care who wins, but there are a few things at play. I understand people who cheer for the West: that makes sense to me, I grew up watching ASU and I cheer for all Pac teams against other conferences in bowl games and the NCAA tournament. (Even Arizona.) I understand people who can't even fathom cheering for the Spurs. Have a few friends like that.

But I also like how the NBA went into markets without other major sports, like San Antonio, Sacramento, Utah, and once upon a time, Phoenix. There's part of me that would rather see a San Antonian who's 100% Spurs enjoy a victory than a bandwagon Heat fan who doesn't even know who Rony Seikaly is. No offense to Heat fans who've been there since day one.

Anyway, if it ain't the Suns, it's pretty much just a diversion.

this is my mentality as well. If it's not us I would like to see Western Conference. If it's not ASU I want to see other Pac 12 teams do well. But a lot of times it just comes down to cheering for the underdog.

Joe

 

[chickenhead]

Believe me, I saw the Grantland piece earlier too, and couldn't watch the clips. The Horry check is right up there with Harrison's pick 6 in the Super Bowl in terms of all-time frustrating sports memories (and they happened 8 months apart).

 

[Brian in Mesa]

See - as a Lakers' fan - I have no horrible playoff stigma with the Spurs.

We have played them 12 times in the playoffs and are 8-4 in those series...and undefeated (4-0) against them in four Western Conference Finals.

We have upset them twice, but the only times they have beaten us is when we were a much lower seed (4-7) and they were a 1 or a 2.

So... Go Spurs !! Beat the Heat !!

 

[Superbone]

The Spurs won some points with the classy way they took our 4-0 beat down in the 2010 Western Conference semifinals. Plus, the fact that Horry and Bowen are long gone helps.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Spurs won some points with the classy way they took our 4-0 beat down in the 2010 Western Conference semifinals. Plus, the fact that Horry and Bowen are long gone helps.

Agreed, on both points.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Agreed, on both points.

Steve

To a certain extent I agree. That still doesn't take away the fact that Parker/Ginobli (while extremely talented) are two of the most shameless floppers in the league and have been for awhile.

Effective or not, it's still a cowardly strategy.

 

[PDXChris]

To a certain extent I agree. That still doesn't take away the fact that Parker/Ginobli (while extremely talented) are two of the most shameless floppers in the league and have been for awhile.

Effective or not, it's still a cowardly strategy.

Against the Suns


Six minute worth




There are a lot more on youtube!! Looks like you need to add LeBron to that list of cowardly.

 

[AzStevenCal]

To a certain extent I agree. That still doesn't take away the fact that Parker/Ginobli (while extremely talented) are two of the most shameless floppers in the league and have been for awhile.

Effective or not, it's still a cowardly strategy.

I don't put Parker in the same class as Ginobili when it comes to flopping. Manu is up there with Scola for the worst in the league, Parker is more at the Lebron level of flopping IMO. I'd like to see it all put to an end but I don't know if that's feasible anymore as it seems to be so ingrained throughout the league.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Does anyone really think this series is over? To hear the sports media talk about it you'd think Miami was a bunch of broken down players and their backs were really against the wall. All the Heat have to do is win one of the next two games and they are right back in play. Heck, all they have to do is lead at half time and these same experts will once again be selling them as one of the greatest teams ever.

Steve

 

[PDXChris]

Does anyone really think this series is over? To hear the sports media talk about it you'd think Miami was a bunch of broken down players and their backs were really against the wall. All the Heat have to do is win one of the next two games and they are right back in play. Heck, all they have to do is lead at half time and these same experts will once again be selling them as one of the greatest teams ever.

Steve

Winner of the next game takes the series in my opinion.

 

[Superbone]

Winner of the next game takes the series in my opinion.

That's not a bad bet.

 

[TJ]

Miami demonstrates once again that it only wins when it has to. Nice to see how well they play when there's a sense of urgency.

 

[Superbone]

You play with fire, you get burned.

 

[Joe Mama]

I hated the San Antonio Spurs a few years ago, but that's because of the way the league/officials handled their hands on approach to defense more than anything the Spurs actually did. Also, didn't the Horry hit come in that conference semi finals? I mean I think it's rather presumptuous for us to say that cost us a championship. I also fault Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw more than anybody for that. Our coaches went over to the bench like to minutes before that and told everybody they needed to stay on the bench if there were any conflicts down the stretch. Still these guys were too stupid/undisciplined to avoid getting suspended. I mean everybody and their mom knew the league was going to suspend any player leaving the bench during the conflict.

I'm more jealous of San Antonio than anything else.

Joe

 

[BC867]

I mean everybody and their mom knew the league was going to suspend any player leaving the bench during the conflict.
Joe

You're right about the stupidity of Amar'e and Diaw. (I miss seeing the postings about Doris ).

But "any player" didn't seem to include Tim Duncan, who did the same thing and was not penalized.

Nevertheless, that doesn't cause me to root for Miami over San Antonio in 2013.

 

[Joe Mama]

You're right about the stupidity of Amar'e and Diaw. (I miss seeing the postings about Doris ).

But "any player" didn't seem to include Tim Duncan, who did the same thing and was not penalized.

Nevertheless, that doesn't cause me to root for Miami over San Antonio in 2013.

you made me go back Look to see if I had accidentally written Doris instead of Boris.

As I remember it the case for Tim Duncan being suspended was really pretty ridiculous. Maybe somebody can find it on YouTube quickly. I looked for about two minutes and didn't see it anywhere. As I remember it anyhow he took like one step onto the court and immediately got back.

I remember at the time thinking that an argument could be made that Boris Diaw never really left the bench area or that he got back quickly enough that he should not have been suspended. I thought Amare Stoudemire was a slamdunk though.

Joe

 

[Cheesebeef]

you made me go back Look to see if I had accidentally written Doris instead of Boris.

As I remember it the case for Tim Duncan being suspended was really pretty ridiculous. Maybe somebody can find it on YouTube quickly. I looked for about two minutes and didn't see it anywhere. As I remember it anyhow he took like one step onto the court and immediately got back.

I remember at the time thinking that an argument could be made that Boris Diaw never really left the bench area or that he got back quickly enough that he should not have been suspended. I thought Amare Stoudemire was a slamdunk though.

Joe

The Duncan one was ridiculous. There was no fight on the court when Duncan stepped forward, thus there was no breaking of the rule. He could have gotten a T, but that's it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Duncan one was ridiculous. There was no fight on the court when Duncan stepped forward, thus there was no breaking of the rule. He could have gotten a T, but that's it.

Correct. He was worried about an injured player and there was no fight so no suspension. I don't even think a T was warranted. The only problem I have with the Diaw/Amare suspension is the fact that they were allowing the instigator to benefit. The Emperor had plenty of latitude and he could have instituted those penalties to be served during the first game not involving the Spurs.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Correct. He was worried about an injured player and there was no fight so no suspension. I don't even think a T was warranted. The only problem I have with the Diaw/Amare suspension is the fact that they were allowing the instigator to benefit. The Emperor had plenty of latitude and he could have instituted those penalties to be served during the first game not involving the Spurs.

Steve

he couldn't do that not knowing if the Suns were going to advance...and he had already set precedence back in that Knicks/Heat series back in 1997 or 1998 where PJ Brown pretty much suplexed Charlie Ward at the end of a Heat loss where half the Knicks team came off the bench and suspended them.

The Duncan one was a little different then an injured player. it looked like there was a cheap shot and Duncan might have come on the floor anticipating a fight, but since there never was even any kind of confrontation resulting in the cheap shot, there was nothing to be done there.

The Amare suspension was completely warranted, but Diaw's was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was that our Coaches didn't jump directly in front of the guys and held them back. i blame that entire thing on DA. He just never had that team mentally prepared to deal with the Spurs tactics in that series. The team took on the personality of it's head coach and exploded just like he had been doing all series on the sidelines.

 

[chickenhead]

I promise this is the last time I mention it in this thread, but if a brawl from a much tougher period of basketball (Eastern conference in the 90s) is precedent for suspending Diaw and Amare in 2007, then Diaw/Amare should have been precedent for suspending Perkins and Williams when they came off the bench the following year when Garnett shoved a ref.

Of course, I'd have been happier if none of these players had been suspended in the series. Except Garnett. I don't see how you make contact with an official and never see a fine or suspension.

In any case, I don't believe the Horry saga cost us a championship. But if I may use the sporting "we," I would have preferred to see us lose fully on our own merits.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I promise this is the last time I mention it in this thread, but if a brawl from a much tougher period of basketball (Eastern conference in the 90s) is precedent for suspending Diaw and Amare in 2007, then Diaw/Amare should have been precedent for suspending Perkins and Williams when they came off the bench the following year when Garnett shoved a ref.

Of course, I'd have been happier if none of these players had been suspended in the series. Except Garnett. I don't see how you make contact with an official and never see a fine or suspension.

In any case, I don't believe the Horry saga cost us a championship. But if I may use the sporting "we," I would have preferred to see us lose fully on our own merits.

I absolutely think it cost us a championship but we were far from blameless in our demise. There really is no excuse for Diaw and Amare to rush the court like that. There had been too many incidents in the past for either of them to be ignorant of the rules.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I absolutely think it cost us a championship but we were far from blameless in our demise. There really is no excuse for Diaw and Amare to rush the court like that. There had been too many incidents in the past for either of them to be ignorant of the rules.

Steve

Maybe, but that hip check of Nash into the bench was a brutal play by Horry. Maybe Stern should have looked at the totality of the situation... one team garnering an unfair advantage in a series on a dirty play that was caused by the offending team. At least Stern could have staggered the suspensions with Amare and Diaw. The offending team should not benefit no matter what the rules say. There are always exceptions to a rule.