On Christian Kirk

[juza76]

I think it was also reported that Jerry Sullivan was behind that? Maybe Keim needs to listen to him in 2021? We also need the best CB available. It all depends on what we can get in FA? If we can get a true #1 CB in FA, then yes, by all means draft the best WR available. We also need interior OL'men. Then there's the salary cap in 2021. It's said it will go down to 175 million. This will affect every team so it will be interesting what every team will actually look like in 2021? We have so many FA's & I have no idea who will & won't be retained. So many questions & so little answers right now.

the WR class is deep, plus we have some options there in free agency
Curtis Samuel
Juju Schuster
Golloway
Allen Robinson
Etc etc
We need a cb and a mauler offensive guard, not someone is pushed 7/8 yards back constantly
I will add a veteran center in free agency

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Rookie CBs do not win you football games. We can draft Jeff Okudah or whatever in the first round and be even worse.. even Pat P was horrible his rookie year.. WRs can have a much bigger impact. Many of them are going for 1k yards right out of the gate. Sign vet CBs for Vance to work with. We have replacement level dudes as it is and his passing defense was fine.

PP has lost a step & at some point needs to be replaced. That's fine signing veteran CB's but the flip side of that is you've probably lost 5 of their years of service at that point, or more? It's a crap shoot either way. Spend a year or two with the rookie CB & have them for 10 years possibly or sign a veteran & get 5 or 6? VJ is just not a good DC imo. There's many ways of building a team & no guarantees either way you go. Keim is only good at making trades & late additions imo, he sucks at drafting players. I just hope he doesn't screw our roster up for 2021 & makes the right choices?

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

the WR class is deep, plus we have some options there in free agency
Curtis Samuel
Juju Schuster
Golloway
Allen Robinson
Etc etc
We need a cb and a mauler offensive guard, not someone is pushed 7/8 yards back constantly
I will add a veteran center in free agency

Well said.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Rookie CBs do not win you football games. We can draft Jeff Okudah or whatever in the first round and be even worse.. even Pat P was horrible his rookie year.. WRs can have a much bigger impact. Many of them are going for 1k yards right out of the gate. Sign vet CBs for Vance to work with. We have replacement level dudes as it is and his passing defense was fine.

1 rookie WR had 1000 yards this year. I think 2 did last year Brown and Sutton(if he was a rook) and they both really came on late in the year. Rookies, in general aren't winning you football games.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think KJ, although slow is a decent #4, at least he runs crisp routes. We can do better than Kirk. Imo we need a #2 & #3. Look how good Justin Jefferson turned out to be for the Vikings. They're in the draft, question is can Keim find them? Probably not so what are we gonna do as fans? Sit back & have to watch him bungle another 3 WR picks? He needs to let Jerry Sullivan pick them.

I'm looking at from the standpoint, lets get the better receivers at 2 and 3 before the Cardinals let Kirk go. It's hard for me to see where Kirk wouldn't be valuable as depth.

 

[Stout]

I wouldn't at all let Kirk go--he has value at the position--but not as a #2 or #3. Too many drops, inconsistency, and the inability to break tackles. Plus he can't return to save his life. Have him and KJ battle it out for #4, sign a solid Vet #2, and for all that is holy hope Keim isn't here to draft the #3 guy!

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I'm looking at from the standpoint, lets get the better receivers at 2 and 3 before the Cardinals let Kirk go. It's hard for me to see where Kirk wouldn't be valuable as depth.

Depth yes but not as a permanent 2 or 3. It's just so frustrating how inconsistent he is.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I wouldn't at all let Kirk go--he has value at the position--but not as a #2 or #3. Too many drops, inconsistency, and the inability to break tackles. Plus he can't return to save his life. Have him and KJ battle it out for #4, sign a solid Vet #2, and for all that is holy hope Keim isn't here to draft the #3 guy!

Trade Kirk for a #3 & let Jerry Sullivan pick the #2 in the draft, keep KJ at #4 until he can be replaced. Let's face it, Kirk has been inconsistent & will more than likely stay that way. He'll never break tackles. Trade him while he has a little value.

 

[Hoodhero]

Kirk is the poor man's Will Fuller. Shows up big in 1 or 2 games & is injured or missing in action for rest of season.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The strippers are scrubbed down before and after use, therefore Covid safe

Be right back, updating my resume for a new job.

Googling "Stripper Scrubber" as we speak.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Im not a kirk fan. Remember the "throwing rocks at cars" at the Phoenix open incident?

He comes off a little entitled to me as the "local sports star" whos been living in his own hype since Saguaro High School.

Maybe I'm totally wrong, but Kirk seems like he is easily replaceable.

Bad draft pick.

Another oft-injured mighty mouse failure by Keim.

How many undersized oft-injured athletes have to be drafted before Keim understands this is the NFL where grown men play?

The smaller guys that perform and stay off the injury list are few and far between.

I am in full agreement that a larger WR does not guarantee much, but how about we let some of those larger receiver bust out since we have allowed that to happen for plenty of under sized guys on this roster?

Just one or two. Heck, give me two and I will give you Hakeem Butler for the 1st one!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He broke protocol doing what? I didn’t know the league has said to live in a bubble for the next year. Questionable decision yes? Breaking protocol no! Do you even know who the people he’s with are?

Apparently he was with a bunch of people who were deemed more important than a playoff deciding game, all his teammates, all his family members, and anyone else counting on him to stay disciplined for the money he is paid.

Just sayin'

Another showing of how soft this team is mentally, and since Kirk is hurt most of the time, physically as well.

And yes, there is personal bias here since I have never liked this pick and now after his 3rd year? He is what he is.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

the WR class is deep, plus we have some options there in free agency
Curtis Samuel
Juju Schuster
Golloway
Allen Robinson
Etc etc
We need a cb and a mauler offensive guard, not someone is pushed 7/8 yards back constantly
I will add a veteran center in free agency

I would love to see Allen Robinson on this team but there is no way they can afford him.

 

[Redsz]

Kirk has had plenty of chances. Keep him as a 3 or 4 receiver. But he isn't more than that.

 

[FB94]

I wouldn't at all let Kirk go--he has value at the position--but not as a #2 or #3. Too many drops, inconsistency, and the inability to break tackles. Plus he can't return to save his life. Have him and KJ battle it out for #4, sign a solid Vet #2, and for all that is holy hope Keim isn't here to draft the #3 guy!

Yes this- Kirk is a 3 at best, and a good 4 WR. Like the idea of a vet WR with a speed rookie added to this team.

 

[daves]

He broke protocol doing what? I didn’t know the league has said to live in a bubble for the next year. Questionable decision yes? Breaking protocol no! Do you even know who the people he’s with are?

The NFL didn't think to specifically list "attend a party on a bus", but i think what Kirk did certainly constitutes "high risk behavior".

The league also outlined “high risk” behavior that may draw a fine or suspension on the first violation, such as:

• Attending an indoor bar or night club unless player is wearing personal protective equipment and there are no more than 10 people there.
• House gatherings of more than fifteen people, unless the player and all guests are wearing masks or PPE, as well as gatherings where social distancing for more than ten people is impossible.
• Attending an indoor music concert or entertainment event.
• Attending a professional sporting event (other than applicable NFL games or events) unless the player is seated in a separated seating section, such as a suite or owner’s box, with no more than 10 people total, and is wearing PPE.

In addition, the memo states that the commissioner may punish any NFL club that fails to impose discipline on non-player club employees who violate these rules or engage in high-risk conduct.

...dave

 

[WisconsinCard]

I think the problem is Kirk is playing out if position to accommodate Fitz. Kirk's best position is in the slot IMO. I also think if you sign a stud RT Cole and Hillard would both be instantly serviceable.

 

[Stout]

I think the problem is Kirk is playing out if position to accommodate Fitz. Kirk's best position is in the slot IMO. I also think if you sign a stud RT Cole and Hillard would both be instantly serviceable.

Can't agree on Cole--he's a backup-level player and we need more (and basic stinking discipline) at the position--but the rest sounds about right to me

 

[unseenaz]

Can't agree on Cole--he's a backup-level player and we need more (and basic stinking discipline) at the position--but the rest sounds about right to me

I think Cole might be better suited at guard. At center he leaves some to be desired

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I think Cole might be better suited at guard. At center he leaves some to be desired

I'm not even sure if he's any better at Guard than Pugh? He definitely isn't a center.

 

[Buckybird]

Totally agree. I hate seeing Fitz retire, but I could produce a positive for the offense

I think the problem is Kirk is playing out if position to accommodate Fitz. Kirk's best position is in the slot IMO. I also think if you sign a stud RT Cole and Hillard would both be instantly serviceable.

 

[jmt]

I don’t care if Kirk is back. His skills are a dime a dozen. I’d rather see Sherfield or KJ anyway.

 

[Chopper0080]

If you are bringing in a new WR coach, you probably look to keep Kirk another year. I hope they take a look at the Lions WR coach.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I think the problem is Kirk is playing out if position to accommodate Fitz. Kirk's best position is in the slot IMO. I also think if you sign a stud RT Cole and Hillard would both be instantly serviceable.

Sorry I meant to say right guard would help either center a great deal.

 

[cardncubfan]

I'm not even sure if he's any better at Guard than Pugh? He definitely isn't a center.

Pugh is a pretty decent guard. I hope Cole becomes as good at guard as Pugh. That would be awesome. We could put him at RG & be set except for center.