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[Gaddabout]

Could someone explain to me the future of Suns draft picks? I know SA gets our pick this year and we get Chicago's (assuming they don't totally collapse). I've lost count of our future seconds and what conditions they have on them.

Any know?

 

[asudevil83]

Could someone explain to me the future of Suns draft picks? I know SA gets our pick this year and we get Chicago's (assuming they don't totally collapse). I've lost count of our future seconds and what conditions they have on them.

Any know?

we've got GS's pick...but i believe it might be conditional (Zarko trade)
we've got Dallas's from NO (Jimmy J trade)
we've got our own also

i think that's about it.

 

[Gaddabout]

we've got GS's pick...but i believe it might be conditional (Zarko trade)
we've got Dallas's from NO (Jimmy J trade)
we've got our own also

i think that's about it.

Thanks. I checked up on the GS pick and the conditions haven't been revealed. Probably deals with playing time (so far 5 games at 8 per). Also found that Phoenix owes Utah a second-rounder for the Gugliota trade -- but it's by way of New York and it's conditionaly protected unto 2010. Again, I don't know the conditions.

The tally:

- 2005 first round pick (via Chicago, ~ No. 16)
- 2005 second round pick (via Dallas, ~ No. 55)
- 2005 second round pick (~ No. 59)
* Possible 2005 second round pick (~ No. 34)

I'm beginning to see why teams aren't biting on these in trade offers. That's a lot of stink bait. I think the Suns will have to dress things up with picks in future years if this is what they're using to make our bench warmers more attractive.

 

[Errntknght]

The Suns can't dress up trades with any of their first round picks until they've settled with SA - it's a conditional pick and since it's not settled what year we will give it to them, we would have a possibility of owing first round picks for two consecutive years in the future - which is a league no-no. I doubt our future second round picks will be very enticing for a while. A long while, hopefully.

 

[devilalum]

Thanks. I checked up on the GS pick and the conditions haven't been revealed. Probably deals with playing time (so far 5 games at 8 per). Also found that Phoenix owes Utah a second-rounder for the Gugliota trade -- but it's by way of New York and it's conditionaly protected unto 2010. Again, I don't know the conditions.

The tally:

- 2005 first round pick (via Chicago, ~ No. 16)
- 2005 second round pick (via Dallas, ~ No. 55)
- 2005 second round pick (~ No. 59)
* Possible 2005 second round pick (~ No. 34)

I'm beginning to see why teams aren't biting on these in trade offers. That's a lot of stink bait. I think the Suns will have to dress things up with picks in future years if this is what they're using to make our bench warmers more attractive.

As long as the Suns owe a pick to SA they can't trade away their own first round picks.

 

[Gaddabout]

The Suns can't dress up trades with any of their first round picks until they've settled with SA - it's a conditional pick and since it's not settled what year we will give it to them, we would have a possibility of owing first round picks for two consecutive years in the future - which is a league no-no. I doubt our future second round picks will be very enticing for a while. A long while, hopefully.

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I get it now. The Suns can't trade first-round picks beyond the Chicago pick because it has to settle its debt with SA. Got it. Thanks.

With that in mind, I think Barbosa, the first-round pick and the trade exemption all need to be on the table for teams to entertain trading a player of any value. If you bring in someone like Marshall and it costs you a young player like Leandro, you better know if you re-sign Marshall -- otherwise it's too much of a gamble just to improve your bench in a championship run.

 

[Joe Mama]

With that in mind, I think Barbosa, the first-round pick and the trade exemption all need to be on the table for teams to entertain trading a player of any value. If you bring in someone like Marshall and it costs you a young player like Leandro, you better know if you re-sign Marshall -- otherwise it's too much of a gamble just to improve your bench in a championship run.

I would add Jake Voskuhl to that list of tradable assets as well. The only problem with trading Jake is that unless the trade returns a center it would leave Hunter as the only true center on the roster. Even though D'Antoni goes a small 90% of the time I'm not sure it's a good idea to leave the roster with only one center. If the Phoenix Suns really believe that Barbosa isn't going to be a serviceable backup point guard I'm not sure how much long-term value he really has to this team anyways. That said, I have to admit that I'm not exactly comfortable trading him at this point. It would have to be for a player like Marshall who I believe would give the Suns a very good shot at a championship run.

Joe Mama

 

[sly fly]

Trading Barbosa becomes becomes much more realistic IF Milos Vujanic comes over.

If you add Vujanic and Marshall while only giving up the CHI pick and Barbosa... that's a no brainer.

If Vujanic doesn't come over, the PHX needs to do what it takes to "solidify" the backup PG spot.

 

[elindholm]

I thought hcsilla or someone said that the Suns also still owe a first-rounder to the Nets for the Kidd/Marbury trade?

 

[Chaplin]

I'm probably wrong, but I thought we got 2 second round picks for Cabarkapa--the Warriors' conditional and one other... ??

 

[slinslin]

I'm probably wrong, but I thought we got 2 second round picks for Cabarkapa--the Warriors' conditional and one other... ??

a 2009 Golden State 2nd round pick

We also have a 2008 Cleveland 2nd round pick.

 

[F-Dog]

http://nbadraft.net/draftnotes.asp

Here's a good resource for outstanding draft pick trades. It's not perfect, but I don't know of anything better.

Let's see, Phoenix owns:

--2005 Golden State conditional 2nd
--2005 Dallas unconditional 2nd
--2008 Cleveland 2nd
--2009 Golden State unconditional 2nd
--2005 Chicago conditional 1st

Also, they owe San Antonio a conditional 1st, and Utah gets a conditional Phoenix 2nd.

 

[SMAC]

Here is the most accurate listing of traded NBA draft picks for this summer:

http://nbadraft.net/draftnotes.asp

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Here is the most accurate listing of traded NBA draft picks for this summer:

http://nbadraft.net/draftnotes.asp

LOL. Look one post above

 

[slinslin]

We also have Orlando's 2nd round pick. We traded our 2nd round pick for Harvey and got their 2005 for Archibald.

We have Chicago's 1st round pick in 2005, Orlando's 2005 2nd round pick, Golden State's 2005 2nd round pick, Dallas' 2005 2nd round pick, Our own 2005 2nd round pick, Cleveland's 2008 second round pick and Golden State's 2009 2nd round pick.

I am 100% sure Utah doesn't get a 2nd round pick from us. They got a conditional 2nd round pick from New York when they took Googs contract.

 

[coloradosun]

Does anyone know the conditions tied to the 2005 GS second rounder?

 

[sunsfn]

Here are the picks for this 2005............

FIRST ROUND PICKS

We have Chicagos 2005 1st pick protected top 3 pick.
In 2006 protected 1st.

We owe San Antonio our first this year, AND, they have to take it!
That is, if it is the 21st pick or later.

SECOND ROUND PICKS

We owe Utah our 2nd round pick this year.

We have the Mavs 2nd round pick unconditional this year.

We have Golden state conditional 2nd round pick, here are the conditions.
2005 If it is 41 or later we get it this year. (currently 34)
2006 If it is 38 or later we get it.
2007 We get it.
We have a 2009 Golden State unconditional 2nd

We have Orlando conditional 2nd round pick, here are the conditions.
2005 If it is 55th or later we get it, OR, it goes away! (currently 50)

We have a 2008 Cleveland 2nd.

Probable conclusion..........

We have a good chance for the Chicago pick this year and,
we will probably only end up with the Mavs 2nd round pick this year.

 

[elindholm]

If it is 55th or later we get it, OR, it goes away!

55th or later? What the hell kind of ******** condition is that? (Sorry moderators.) "If this pick is worthless, you can have it, but otherwise it's ours."

55th or later, LOL. That's one of the last six picks in the draft. Big whoop. Anyone the Suns would consider with a pick that late could just as easily be signed as a rookie free agent. It's not like two teams are going to be looking at the same remote prospect that deep into the talent pool.

The Golden State pick is likely to be worth a little bit sooner or later, however, so that's good.

 

[newfan101]

Thanks Sunsfn,

Interesting. It looks like the Zarko trade will net us a high second in 2007 and in 2009 (Assuming Chris Mullin stays at the helm).

This may also explain better why the Suns would be stingy with their 2nd, since, in all likelyhood, the Dallas 2nd will be all they get this year.

 

[sunsfn]

55th or later is not a good deal for anyone, but this was the deal where we tried to trade a player for a player, and there was a snag that I have not heard explained yet.

So we sent a player to Orlando for a 2nd round pick and they sent us one for a 2nd round pick.

Except, Orlando got to keep our 2nd pick in 2004.
Antonio Burks 6-1 191 PG Memphis Sr.

They must have thought that Harvey was worth Archibald and our 2nd round pick, but to make the deal work, there had to be two trades.

I wonder what happened to Harvey, he was a hustler. I do not think he is on any team.

 

[slinslin]

Where did you get that information?

 

[slinslin]

Again, where did you get that information?

Especially on the Utah pick because I am 100% sure that Utah got no picks from us. It was all NYK picks.

 

[myrondizzo]

so basiclly we got screwed on the zarko deal?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

so basiclly we got screwed on the zarko deal?

No, the real bad 2nd rounder came from the Harvey deal.

 

[sunsfn]

Where did you get that information?

From the suns...........