One of the biggest needs in the draft - RB

[sundevil04]

OK, I know Im going to get lambasted here for saying this, but I see RB as a bid need in the off season. That's not to say its more pertinent than LT by any means, but I see it up there with TE & QBOF.

I LOVE Ellington, but by no means is he an every down back that can carry the load with 250+ carries. Outside of Ellington we have Mendenhall and his 3.1 YPC average and S.Taylor with a whopping 115 yards this season and a 3.2 YPC average. That's pathetic.

No way would I go RB in Rd1 or for that matter rd2, but I'd be all over any of these backs in Rd3

1.) Ka'dem Carey
2.) Lache Seastrunk
3.) Carlos Hyde
4.) Bishop Sankey
5.) Tre Mason
6.) Andre Williams

Bring back J.Cooper, A new LT in FA along with a top tier TE in RD1 like Ebron/Amaro or Sefarius-Jenkins and a RB in RD3 to go long side Ellington and this offense can be LEGIT! But, without that new RB it's one dimensional.

 

[Lefty]

OK, I know Im going to get lambasted here for saying this, but I see RB as a bid need in the off season. That's not to say its more pertinent than LT by any means, but I see it up there with TE & QBOF.

I LOVE Ellington, but by no means is he an every down back that can carry the load with 250+ carries. Outside of Ellington we have Mendenhall and his 3.1 YPC average and S.Taylor with a whopping 115 yards this season and a 3.2 YPC average. That's pathetic.

No way would I go RB in Rd1 or for that matter rd2, but I'd be all over any of these backs in Rd3

1.) Ka'dem Carey
2.) Lache Seastrunk
3.) Carlos Hyde
4.) Bishop Sankey
5.) Tre Mason
6.) Andre Williams

Bring back J.Cooper, A new LT in FA along with a top tier TE in RD1 like Ebron/Amaro or Sefarius-Jenkins and a RB in RD3 to go long side Ellington and this offense can be LEGIT! But, without that new RB it's one dimensional.

If Carey comes out he will be taken in the 2nd round. Sankey could be available in the 3rd round.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

There's also likely going to a couple good RB's available in the off season. Ben Tate is a free agent and Tennessee may release Chris Johnson.

As for the draft, Carlos Hyde in round 3, doubt he's there, would be an absolute steal and a perfect compliment to this offense.

 

[PDXChris]

It has been proven time and time again not to draft a RB high. Improve the line and grab a couple in the late rounds and throw out your best three backs.

 

[Jetstream Green]

OK, I know Im going to get lambasted here for saying this, but I see RB as a bid need in the off season. That's not to say its more pertinent than LT by any means, but I see it up there with TE & QBOF.

I LOVE Ellington, but by no means is he an every down back that can carry the load with 250+ carries. Outside of Ellington we have Mendenhall and his 3.1 YPC average and S.Taylor with a whopping 115 yards this season and a 3.2 YPC average. That's pathetic.

No way would I go RB in Rd1 or for that matter rd2, but I'd be all over any of these backs in Rd3

1.) Ka'dem Carey
2.) Lache Seastrunk
3.) Carlos Hyde
4.) Bishop Sankey
5.) Tre Mason
6.) Andre Williams

Bring back J.Cooper, A new LT in FA along with a top tier TE in RD1 like Ebron/Amaro or Sefarius-Jenkins and a RB in RD3 to go long side Ellington and this offense can be LEGIT! But, without that new RB it's one dimensional.

Of all of our needs to state it as one of our biggest needs is absolutely wrong by easily more than 4 yards an average

 

[NMCard]

With the first round guard back and a possible free agent or high draft position left tackle the running game will improve.

 

[crisper57]

Sometimes people think so far outside the box that they are just wrong. RB's are a dime a dozen and 2-of-our-3 are more than adequate next season.


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[devilalum]

Just get rid of Fumblehall.

 

[TJ]

I'm good with Ellington and Taylor next season. No need to burn a pick on that position when we burned two on RBs last season.

 

[sundevil04]

I'm not one for going RB in RD1 unless there's an Adrian Peterson there (yes, even if Levi Brown is on the board), but I also don't buy into the "you can find one in the late rounds" theroy any more than with any other position. Is it possible to find a "servicable back late? Yes, but no more so than any other position.

Here's a list of the 20 most notable RB's in the NFL over the past couple seasons, as you can see, 18 of the top 20 were drafted in Rd1-3

Adrian Peterson - RD1
Marshawn Lynch - RD1
Chris Johnson - RD1
Eddie Lacy - RD1
Ryan Matthews - RD1
Knowshon Moreno - RD1
Reggie Bush - RD1
CJ Spiller - RD1
Deangelo WIlliams - RD1

Le'veon Bell - RD2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<This is EXACTLY THE KIND OF BACK WE NEED TO COMPLIMENT ELLINGTON
Ray Rice - RD2
Lesean McCoy - RD2
Maurice Jones-Drew - RD2

Jamaal Charles - RD3
Matt Forte - RD3
Frank Gore - RD3
Demarco Murray - RD3
Stevan Ridley - RD3

Alfred Morris - RD6

Arian Foster - undrafted

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't want or expect Ellington to be a 250 carry rb. In fact , I want 3 or 4 solid backs. I'd be happy with the stable of back that we have now.

Improve the o-line, add a top safety and another cb. I would also like to get a QB we can groom.

Arians got the most out of a mediocre set of TE's. Housler is good about 66% of the time...2 decent plays, 1 bad play. Not good enough.

 

[Russ Smith]

Taylor basically gets 75% of his carries on short yardage when everyone in the stadium knows it's a run play. At least it seems that way. All he does is get yards, sure seems like he converts essentially every short yardage run he gets.

If there's a good RB available by all means pick him but I think we're good with Ellington and Taylor and a later round pick.

Fix the OL, get a TE, a Wr with speed, a pass rusher etc.

I wouldn't pick a RB before the 4th round.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Go ahead and shoot me, because maybe years of seeing Beanie trip did this to me, but removed from them odd fumbles...Mendy still accomplished not losing yards when blocking was not there and I would actually not mind bringing back the same stable of backs

 

[Chopper0080]

I won't be shocked if we draft one, but I doubt it will be in the first three rounds. JMO.

 

[PDXChris]

Taylor basically gets 75% of his carries on short yardage when everyone in the stadium knows it's a run play. At least it seems that way. All he does is get yards, sure seems like he converts essentially every short yardage run he gets.

If there's a good RB available by all means pick him but I think we're good with Ellington and Taylor and a later round pick.

Fix the OL, get a TE, a Wr with speed, a pass rusher etc.

I wouldn't pick a RB before the 4th round.

+1

 

[sundevil04]

Taylor basically gets 75% of his carries on short yardage when everyone in the stadium knows it's a run play. At least it seems that way. All he does is get yards, sure seems like he converts essentially every short yardage run he gets.

If there's a good RB available by all means pick him but I think we're good with Ellington and Taylor and a later round pick.

Fix the OL, get a TE, a Wr with speed, a pass rusher etc.

I wouldn't pick a RB before the 4th round.

Fixing the OL is priority #1, no doubt. Getting Cooper back and adding a LT in FA or RD 1 goes a LONG way in doing that. Jurecki seems to be VERY confident that we'll target one in FA, which depending on how the draft unfolds, if Im the GM I take a top TE in RD1.

The 6 backs listed in the OP all have RD2 talent, but if one is still on the board in RD3, I jump on it.

...and just to get even more controversial, I'd look at a CB in Rd1 also. Justin Gilbert would look great next to PP21 with Honey Badger roaming around behind them or in the slot. Pin your ears back and go forward front 7, here we come!

 

[football karma]

Fixing the OL is priority #1, no doubt. Getting Cooper back and adding a LT in FA or RD 1 goes a LONG way in doing that. Jurecki seems to be VERY confident that we'll target one in FA, which depending on how the draft unfolds, if Im the GM I take a top TE in RD1.

The 6 backs listed in the OP all have RD2 talent, but if one is still on the board in RD3, I jump on it.

...and just to get even more controversial, I'd look at a CB in Rd1 also. Justin Gilbert would look great next to PP21 with Honey Badger roaming around behind them or in the slot. Pin your ears back and go forward front 7, here we come!

Given all the man this team plays-- adding a corner wouldn't hurt. Neither would a safety with some size.

 

[Chopper0080]

With how much we use TEs, it might be the #2 need this offseason.

 

[PDXChris]

With how much we use TEs, it might be the #2 need this offseason.

#2 on offense behind LT, that is for sure.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

All we need is a QB who won't dig us into a hole each week. Our D is so tremendous, it is amazing. We just need a game manager who is accurate and can run occasionally when needed.

We have a good team otherwise and can easily improve in the few spots we are weakest through draft and FAs. The future is bright with a team like ours who never give up, with a D who can keep us in any game, anywhere, and against anybody.

 

[sundevil04]

All we need is a QB who won't dig us into a hole each week. Our D is so tremendous, it is amazing. We just need a game manager who is accurate and can run occasionally when needed.

We have a good team otherwise and can easily improve in the few spots we are weakest through draft and FAs. The future is bright with a team like ours who never give up, with a D who can keep us in any game, anywhere, and against anybody.

Overall Im very happy with Palmer. Obviously we need a QBOF, and if Mettenberger is there in Rd2, I pounce, but I'm good with Palmer for another 2 seasons, especially with an improved OL

 

[PDXChris]

I'm not one for going RB in RD1 unless there's an Adrian Peterson there (yes, even if Levi Brown is on the board), but I also don't buy into the "you can find one in the late rounds" theroy any more than with any other position. Is it possible to find a "servicable back late? Yes, but no more so than any other position.

Here's a list of the 20 most notable RB's in the NFL over the past couple seasons, as you can see, 18 of the top 20 were drafted in Rd1-3

Adrian Peterson - RD1
Marshawn Lynch - RD1
Chris Johnson - RD1
Eddie Lacy - RD1
Ryan Matthews - RD1
Knowshon Moreno - RD1
Reggie Bush - RD1
CJ Spiller - RD1
Deangelo WIlliams - RD1

Le'veon Bell - RD2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<This is EXACTLY THE KIND OF BACK WE NEED TO COMPLIMENT ELLINGTON
Ray Rice - RD2
Lesean McCoy - RD2
Maurice Jones-Drew - RD2

Jamaal Charles - RD3
Matt Forte - RD3
Frank Gore - RD3
Demarco Murray - RD3
Stevan Ridley - RD3

Alfred Morris - RD6

Arian Foster - undrafted

How many of those won a SB?
2012 Ray Rice
2011 Ahmad Bradshaw
2010 Brandon Jackson -WHO? Only season with playing time
2009 Pierre Thomas/Mike Bell
2008 Willie Parker
2007 Brandon Jacobs
2006 Joseph Addai
2005 Willie Parker
2004 Corey Dillon
2003 Antowain Smith
2002 Michael Pittman

Most of these were castaway or players with really short careers, but they were drafted all over the place. Rice is the exception to the list.

 

[sundevil04]

How many of those won a SB?
2012 Ray Rice
2011 Ahmad Bradshaw
2010 Brandon Jackson -WHO? Only season with playing time
2009 Pierre Thomas/Mike Bell
2008 Willie Parker
2007 Brandon Jacobs
2006 Joseph Addai
2005 Willie Parker
2004 Corey Dillon
2003 Antowain Smith
2002 Michael Pittman

Most of these were castaway or players with really short careers, but they were drafted all over the place. Rice is the exception to the list.

Whoa, whoa whoa, that is some extremely flawed thinking that because past SB winners had Rb's that weren't high picks and therefore we shouldn't spend even a RD3 pick on a back????

I think we can all agree that LT is THE top priority in the off season and that it would justify a RD 1 pick. However, using your logic above, we should not use a Rd1 pick or even top FA money on a top tier LT. WHy you ask? Go through those same past SB winners and list their starting LT and you'll see why.

To use the logic that we should copy the blue print of past SB winners is flawed logic. Our goal should be to field the best possible team and make our own blue print for teams to foolishly try copy.

The bottom line is that RB is a weakness of this team and an upgrade will drastically improve our Offense. Let me be clear, NO I do not think we shoudl spend a RD1 or even RD2 pick on a back, but this draft is deep at RB and we can likely find a RD2 talent in RD3.

Here's the formula...

Good RB > Average RB

 

[sundevil04]

ANd for the record, here are the NFC playoff RB's (all are on my top 20 list)

Marshawn Lynch Rd1
Deangelo Williams Rd1
Eddie Lacy -Rd1
Demarco Murray Rd3/Lesean McCoy Rd2
Frank Gore - Rd2

...and the AFC

Knowshon Moreno - RD1
Jamaal Charles - RD3
Stevan Ridley - Rd3
Donald Brown - RD1
Ryan Matthews - RD1
Giovanni Bernard - Rd2

You seem to be under the impression that Im saying we need a Rd1 back, that's not at all what Im saying. Im looking for a back with Rd2 talent that falls to Rd3. WIth 6 backs that I would say have RD2 talent, this is a great year to pluck one one those.

For the record, EVERY team with a winning record, other than the Saints, have a leading rusher that was drafted in RD1-3. ALso, 5 of the 6 teams that went .500 (im including Dallas here) Have a leading rusher drafted in Rd1 or 2.

If you have Drew Brees, I guess you can do without one.

 

[Reddog]

Wouldn't shock me to see Mendy back at a managable number. He proved himself as very average and will not have a line of teams looking to pay him