Only in cardinals land

[jstadvl]

I need to

step away from this. I do know McCown and I take things a bit personal.
Apparently I have misread the intent of your post. Please forgive me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

step away from this. I do know McCown and I take things a bit personal.
Apparently I have misread the intent of your post. Please forgive me.

no prob - and it makes your point of view all the more understandable (is that a word?). As to the near-sighted comment - that wasn't questioning your intelligence in any way - it was merely a way of pointing out that a lot of people in the past - hell even as close as three weeks ago were very high on johs and recently - or up close in time I guess - have we been crticising him - maybe short-term thinking was the better way to put it - but apologize if that pissed you off - it surely wasn't meant to . . . hell - I thought you were up in arms about calling making the jab at this_guy this entire time!

 

[Assface]

See what happens when you 2 fight, the board crashes. Now go sit in the corner.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

See what happens when you 2 fight, the board crashes. Now go sit in the corner.

:notworthy

 

[MrY]

This thread is about 'Only in Cardinal land'. Is that where fans of the Cards fight and rip out each others livers and eat them in front of their significant others?

 

[Cheesebeef]

This thread is about 'Only in Cardinal land'. Is that where fans of the Cards fight and rip out each others livers and eat them in front of their significant others?

no - that's EVERY THREAD.

 

[Duckjake]

Only in cardinals land would a team go from giving a QB 6 years to prove he is the man.. to 6 starts for the next guy.

Consistency is the key.

I pose this question to the people who say Josh should get another half or so to prove himself.

What if he goes out and puts up Peyton Manning type numbers? What will that prove in your mind?

I don't know if Josh it the man or not, but the general wisdom would be to let him prove one way or the other. Yanking him after a half in what would be his 7th NFL start would prove nothing. The same way letting him play the entire game would. He needs at least another 6 - 8 games.

BIG difference. The guy that got 6 years also was the starting QB on the only Cardinal team to win a playoff game in 50 years- in his 2nd season in the league. That alone was worth 5 extra years so he actually got short changed.

The other guy into his third season with the team is still learning how to drop back properly. He's a good kid though and I hope he settles down so he can use the raw talent he has to win some games for us long suffering fans.

Now for a real "only in Cardinal land" you could talk about how after years of having terrible defenses they named the Defensive Coordinator head coach.

 

[Cheesebeef]

BIG difference. The guy that got 6 years also was the starting QB on the only Cardinal team to win a playoff game in 50 years- in his 2nd season in the league. That alone was worth 5 extra years so he actually got short changed.

The other guy into his third season with the team is still learning how to drop back properly. He's a good kid though and I hope he settles down so he can use the raw talent he has to win some games for us long suffering fans.

Now for a real "only in Cardinal land" you could talk about how after years of having terrible defenses they named the Defensive Coordinator head coach.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Great post.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Sorry if this is a tad off topic, but I gotta say ....

Thanks Cheesy.

You just gave me a revelation in regard to what the Kerry supporters should start saying now in response the Republican's tiresome chant: flip-flop, flip-flop.

...and it would be: DING-DONG, DING-DONG !!!



I now, I will talk about it no more here, but will gladly field any salvos over in P & R land.

Just had to acknowledge Cheesy's inspirational post.

 

[clif]

BIG difference. The guy that got 6 years also was the starting QB on the only Cardinal team to win a playoff game in 50 years- in his 2nd season in the league. That alone was worth 5 extra years so he actually got short changed.

The other guy into his third season with the team is still learning how to drop back properly. He's a good kid though and I hope he settles down so he can use the raw talent he has to win some games for us long suffering fans.

Now for a real "only in Cardinal land" you could talk about how after years of having terrible defenses they named the Defensive Coordinator head coach.

the same guy that got more starts (9) in his rookie year than josh has in his 3 year career (6). So he clearly had more PT than Josh at the same point in their careers. that just further illustrates that it is clearly too early to tell whether Josh will be successful or not.

 

[Cheesebeef]

the same guy that got more starts (9) in his rookie year than josh has in his 3 year career (6). So he clearly had more PT than Josh at the same point in their careers. that just further illustrates that it is clearly too early to tell whether Josh will be successful or not.

but Jake got support for a couple reasons that you are completely ignoring here - He proved at the highest level of collegiate sports that he was a leader taking the Devils to within seconds of a national title - he didn't transfer down from a Div 1 program to a lesser program . . . next - Jake was showing progress, setting rookie records for most passing yards in a game, while also throwing for TDs to go along with his mistakes - and last - we saw him go up against a very good Steelers team and brink us to the brink of a monumental upset before losing in OT, then had a comeback on the road against Baltimore and then finished the season off with a comeback against a Falcons team that had won their last five games - not to mention he bought himself time immediately by taking the team 97 yards for a TD in his first ever time on the field - giving us the lead (which of course our defense would give right back up) against the Eagles.

Josh doesn't get that kind of slack Jake did - even in those first few games because of all of the above - Josh has had one defining moment in his entire career - and I'm talking college and pro - the pass against Minnesota versus everything detailed above for Jake who came in right away and made his mark . . we could live with his mistakes as we thought he was growing because Jake ALWAYS made big plays at every level - something that as of yet can't be said about JOsh.

 

[clif]

but Jake got support for a couple reasons that you are completely ignoring here - He proved at the highest level of collegiate sports that he was a leader taking the Devils to within seconds of a national title - he didn't transfer down from a Div 1 program to a lesser program . . . next - Jake was showing progress, setting rookie records for most passing yards in a game, while also throwing for TDs to go along with his mistakes - and last - we saw him go up against a very good Steelers team and brink us to the brink of a monumental upset before losing in OT, then had a comeback on the road against Baltimore and then finished the season off with a comeback against a Falcons team that had won their last five games - not to mention he bought himself time immediately by taking the team 97 yards for a TD in his first ever time on the field - giving us the lead (which of course our defense would give right back up) against the Eagles.

Josh doesn't get that kind of slack Jake did - even in those first few games because of all of the above - Josh has had one defining moment in his entire career - and I'm talking college and pro - the pass against Minnesota versus everything detailed above for Jake who came in right away and made his mark . . we could live with his mistakes as we thought he was growing because Jake ALWAYS made big plays at every level - something that as of yet can't be said about JOsh.

so then you are saying since Jake showed some flashes...that bought him 6 years? and Josh has not so he only deserves another half?

talk about extremes!! My original question was what would it prove if he put up Peyton type numbers this weekend... would that guarantee him 6 years?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

The real problem, for anyone that reviews the game tapes, can be seen in the lack of production at the RB position. Emmitt Smith is embarassing himself. He is a future hall of famer, that has no burst. At this stage of his career, his input from the sidelines is far more valuable than his input on the field.

!!!

Uh, actually Emmitt is averaging a respectable 3.5 yards a carry.

167 yards on 43 carrys with two TDs. And thats against STL, NE and ATL. ATL is at the top of the league in run defense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Uh, actually Emmitt is averaging a respectable 3.5 yards a carry.

167 yards on 43 carrys with two TDs. And thats against STL, NE and ATL. ATL is at the top of the league in run defense.

Crimson - in what world is 3.5 respectable? over half of those yards have come against one of the worst rushing defenses in the league with the Rams. Emmitt's got the heart of a champion and the legs of a fat jewish guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

so then you are saying since Jake showed some flashes...that bought him 6 years? and Josh has not so he only deserves another half?

talk about extremes!! My original question was what would it prove if he put up Peyton type numbers this weekend... would that guarantee him 6 years?

OH MY GOD! There's no point talking about anything with you. I personally don't know where you are getting that Jake got six years - people were screaming for his head much earlier than that . . . with each post you demonstrate more and more your partiality towards anything Cardinal as well as you inability to understand or make coherent arguments.

 

[clif]

OH MY GOD! There's no point talking about anything with you. I personally don't know where you are getting that Jake got six years - people were screaming for his head much earlier than that . . . with each post you demonstrate more and more your partiality towards anything Cardinal as well as you inability to understand or make coherent arguments.

what the hell are you talking about? Jake got 6 long years to prove whether or not he was the guy. You can talk about people wanting his head all you want, but the fact of the matter is that he was starting in his rookie season and based on a mediocre 9-7 1998 he was granted a huge contract that many said he did not deserve. He was the unchallenged starter for 6 dreadful seasons.

My arguement is that you and others want to pull the plug on Josh because you feel he doesnt have what it takes after 6 NFL starts. You seem to think that he has not shown "flashes" therefore he must not have what it takes.

That is plain ridiculous and you know it. You obviously are very premature in your assessment and you can't seem to get past it. It might be due to the fact you worry so much about insulting someone's intelligence before you think about your own posts.

Hey there are plenty of QB's in the league who didn't show "flashes" in their first few years and turned out pretty well...

Rich Gannon
Trent Green

to name 2 current players

take your childish insults somewhere else.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Crimson - in what world is 3.5 respectable? over half of those yards have come against one of the worst rushing defenses in the league with the Rams. Emmitt's got the heart of a champion and the legs of a fat jewish guy.

respectable because its behind an offensive line that hasn't "jelled" yet?

Agree with you that Emmitt has lost a step, but I still like his vision and elusiveness.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I dont know about some of you, maybe Im suoerman compared to you but you dont need more than 2 brain cells to rub together to see a rookiw QB and find out in their first couple games whether they have it or now.

I knew Smith, Leaf, and a handfull of others didnt have it in less than a quarter of play. Guys that do have it show it immediatly like Brady, Pennington. Anyone have any doubt in 15 minutes of play after they came onto the field that they were good?

I knew aftre game 1 McCown didnt have it. But I was pulling for him. Still would like to see him turn it around, But I sure as heck dont want this "rebuilding" season to go by without trying out King and Navarre to see what we have before its over either.

 

[DKCards]

With that analogy I guess that Farve and Aikman(sp) should have never been given a chance. They sure didn't light it up in their first year.

 

[CaptTurbo]

With that analogy I guess that Farve and Aikman(sp) should have never been given a chance. They sure didn't light it up in their first year.

Not true when both of them were put in as starters with no competition they perform rather well. They had vision and looked comfortable in the pocket. Even thought the team wasnt lighting it up or their stats they still looked like they had the skills.

now favre in atlanta is another story but sometimes a guy needs to be cut to wake up. Like The eagles DT we cut walker. Even Favre said he would have cut himself back then.

 

[Duckjake]

what the hell are you talking about? Jake got 6 long years to prove whether or not he was the guy. You can talk about people wanting his head all you want, but the fact of the matter is that he was starting in his rookie season and based on a mediocre 9-7 1998 he was granted a huge contract that many said he did not deserve. He was the unchallenged starter for 6 dreadful seasons.

Mediocre 9-7 season?

The ONLY winning season in Arizona history. The only playoff win since the 1940's. Something that Charley Johnson, Jim Hart, and Neil Lomax couldn't accomplish. Mediocre for Dallas maybe but HUGE for the Cardinals.

Did you just become a Cardinal fan this year? Kent Graham was the starter for the first half of 1997. 1998 was "dreadful"??? '01 was disappointing but hardly "dreadful". So Jake was the "unchallenged starter" for only 3 dreadful seasons.