let's just call it how it is. the pathers are a poorly run organization. they've never had back to back winning seasons.
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Opposing Fan: My View On The State of Carolina
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Carolina's entire secondary is in shambles. I can see Palmer having a good game through the air if he's given time in the pocket. Carolina's D hasn't been able to stop anyone this year, so the Cardinals should be able to put up some points. On the offensive side for Carolina...now that Cam is a little hesitant to run because of concussion concerns...that entire offense suffers...mightily. Cardinals D has been playing great the past couple weeks...so if Cam is still relegated to being a pocket QB...the Carolina offense is going to struggle putting up points. Greg Olsen will most likely have a great game, but outside of that...I don't see anyone on their offense having much success. Cardinals are going to come in hungry for vengeance due to the whooping they got last time they played Carolina. Only way I see Carolina winning is if their D-Line puts a ton of pressure on Palmer...who will undoubtedly turn the ball over several times...otherwise...the Carolina secondary just isn't good enough to deal with the fire-power.
We are still trying to figure out our team as well in some areas:
Palmer has regressed to 2013 level of play, which was his first year in BA's offense. But it isn't mental, his long ball is off and our red zone offense isn't there yet against physical defenses.
Our defense is coming together very well, our outside to inside pass rush is improving every week and communication in the LB and secondary is improving - we did fantastic against the Seahawks, if we play the same way against the Panthers (and our offense can get in the end zone), I expect a dominating win (BIG if).
I truly believe the Panthers will try to impose themselves physically on offense, since they are coming off a bye and that is what has worked the last two seasons against the Cards.
Your defense may be in trouble of Palmer plays reasonably well. I think we again play the short game and running game and take a few calculated deep shots, avoiding a lot of the throws that Palmer makes right into the hands of your defense. It only takes a couple of those deep shots to work to suck the life out of a defense if we are winning the short game as well. I believe we will just wear down your team - I don't think you are as athletic and effective as the Seahawks defense this year and the Cards likely want to make a winning statement to wash the skank from last week to show they have a bit of killer instinct in them.
See what we did to the TB secondary and their struggling safety play, now add our new found focus on the running game.
Plus we have a bye next week, so no holding back.
here's what i think. if your coaches are worth a damn, they spent the bye week getting your players focused back to the task at hand. if that's the case, this could be a really good game where both teams are trying to get their seasons back on track. arizona's season has ended in carolina 2 years in a row now. the panthers know this, may be motivation for them.
at 1-5, your awful division is still winnable. the falcons are doing their annual 'hey, we might be good!' thing, they will soon fold. 9-7 wins your division. the panthers are easily the best team in that division, regardless of what records say.
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I don't have a good feeling about this game at all.
1. Carolina had a bye.
2. We just played an emotional and physically draining game that had a brutal outcome.
3. We are traveling across the country for an early start.
It really looks like an L to me.
1. Carolina had a bye.
2. We just played an emotional and physically draining game that had a brutal outcome.
3. We are traveling across the country for an early start.
It really looks like an L to me.
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Our first offensive series will tell us a lot about how this game will go, IMO. We seem to always play better in the second half when we travel east, so if we can keep it close and stay intense, I think we win this one.
Funny - I was dreading the Seahawks because I didn't know if our defense was ready for meeting the intensity of the Seahawks just yet. But now, I feel strangely confident that they will have no problem with the Panthers.
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I'll answer a few of your points.
Your point about our secondary is agreeable and disagreeable. Our safeties are obvious liabilities, and have been proven nightmares. Our corners though, big difference. Bradberry has been showing to be growing well, and I love him. McClain is decent, and Johnson is supposedly a good upgrade. But given that we're probably bottom 20 as far as corners are concerned, and the honest fact is the corners are a mystery. Whether this set works or not is up in the air on sunday, but it's a big improvement over the starting pair of Williams and Slippy Sanchez.
Cam Newton in a presser recently stated he'd be running. And running. And he feels great.
Olsen should be good like he always is, that's agreeable.
Kelvin can box out and catch balls out of nowhere, but honestly he hasn't taken on the role of a WR1 on our offense yet.
Our tackles. It isn't looking good. Oher missed practice today, very concerned about LT against Chandler Jones. Especially if Remmers is starting...oh God. I hope the coaches put Donald Hawkins in, he's 10000x better than Remmers at LT.
I can see a good amount of points with good short passes instead of Shula's crayon designed long developing plays that work...like almost never.
Defensively, our line needs to prove they aren't scrubs. Our DEs need to step it up, coaches need to put Ealy at his Superbowl LDE position and see if he lights it up. Good packages of Butler, CJ/Kony, KK, and Star I can see working if used right. We just need pressure, and Bradberry needs to be at least 1/2 of what Norman was this game.
Honestly looks bleak, but it's possible
I'm not terribly confident in this game frankly. These two teams aren't even really fighting for playoff positioning at this point, it's all about pride. Carolina statistically would be close to the same team they were last year, if their defense hadn't fallen off a cliff, mostly in the secondary. Moral victories are moot, but at least they have an excuse in that they're retooling their secondary, what excuse do we have for this offense and special teams? DJ alone is doing serious damage to our passing attack, with his inability to even get in the way by accident--it's almost like he tries to be out of position while pass blocking.
As far as Cam not diving on that football in the championship, he can't win regardless of what he does, that goes with the territory of being a high profile player. When he saunters into the endzone and gets concussed, everyone is asking why he didn't protect himself, what hubris on his part, right? Yet when he doesn't dive into a pile he gets criticized for not sacrificing his body--again, due to hubris. They showed a stat during Carolina's last game: Cam hasn't gotten a call for unnecessary roughness longer than any QB in football. Given the amount of runs and hits he takes, if you're being objective, can you seriously believe that has nothing to do with his size? Size doesn't matter when you're getting clobbered in the head, it's a penalty. Would you want Palmer diving on that ball, into that pile? If not, then what's the difference? Cam had just returned from back surgery after his auto accident, for one thing, without him they don't win that game even if he recovers that fumble. And as soon as he dives on it, at least 3 300 lb dudes are spearing him in the back and fighting for that ball, and then the rest of the team jumps on top. I thought it was weak sauce at the time, but I've reconsidered. I know we all love to hate on Cam, but he's a phenomenal football player and I'd take him on my team any day over Palmer.
Let's talk about hubris: neglecting special teams was a freaking crime given how many close games we've played under BA. The little things matter, little things are big things, the Cardinals won't cause the Cardinals to lose. It was K9 who first stated that our %age of wins in close games would revert to the mean, and we all laughed and basically called him a nervous nelly, getting his panties all twisted. But he was right, especially when you consider how bad we've let our special teams become. These opponents are freaking good, our division is excellent, and our schedule is hard--special teams in many cases will clearly be the deciding factor. And I'm not even talking about field goals, I'm talking in terms of field position and by extension time of possession. When your special teams suck like ours do, you lose the field position battle, and the only reason time of possession is even feasible now is because of David Johnson. And by the way, K9 also stated several times that Palmer would revert to his own mean, which is average or perhaps slightly above average, it's what he's been his whole career. He had one exceptional year last year. It's unreasonable to expect lightning to strike twice. So this year he's his normal self and everyone is asking what's wrong. Nothing's wrong, Palmer is being Palmer. I didn't agree with K9 then, but I accept facts when I see them and I respect it when someone drops truth even if I don't accept it at the time.
Letting our special teams get this bad is almost unforgivable. It's a third of the team, they're on the field a lot. Given how close our games were in the past, given that Palmer couldn't maintain that level of play (it's asking too much frankly, the dude can't play at an MVP level every year), given that our close game win/loss percentage would eventually come back down to earth, given all that, it's almost unforgivable given the rest of the talent on this team. It's not fair to the other guys who work so hard. I see some dudes blaming the offense, I attribute our record to special teams. Entirely. And again, I'm not talking about some missed field goals. If we have better special teams on kickoff's, punts, returns, it never even gets to a field goal because we own field position and time of possession. Period.
(If anyone thinks these few games were anomalies, they weren't: Bill Belichik gave the blueprint in game 1 when he took it down to the wire and dared us to win on special teams. Every team since has done that, and every team going forward will do that. Every team now wants to stop the deep ball and quick scores, make us pound rock, keep it close, then dare us to win on special teams. We can't. Not consistently. You don't ever win SB's with special teams like this. We'll be lucky to make the playoffs, but we aren't going anywhere)
As far as Cam not diving on that football in the championship, he can't win regardless of what he does, that goes with the territory of being a high profile player. When he saunters into the endzone and gets concussed, everyone is asking why he didn't protect himself, what hubris on his part, right? Yet when he doesn't dive into a pile he gets criticized for not sacrificing his body--again, due to hubris. They showed a stat during Carolina's last game: Cam hasn't gotten a call for unnecessary roughness longer than any QB in football. Given the amount of runs and hits he takes, if you're being objective, can you seriously believe that has nothing to do with his size? Size doesn't matter when you're getting clobbered in the head, it's a penalty. Would you want Palmer diving on that ball, into that pile? If not, then what's the difference? Cam had just returned from back surgery after his auto accident, for one thing, without him they don't win that game even if he recovers that fumble. And as soon as he dives on it, at least 3 300 lb dudes are spearing him in the back and fighting for that ball, and then the rest of the team jumps on top. I thought it was weak sauce at the time, but I've reconsidered. I know we all love to hate on Cam, but he's a phenomenal football player and I'd take him on my team any day over Palmer.
Let's talk about hubris: neglecting special teams was a freaking crime given how many close games we've played under BA. The little things matter, little things are big things, the Cardinals won't cause the Cardinals to lose. It was K9 who first stated that our %age of wins in close games would revert to the mean, and we all laughed and basically called him a nervous nelly, getting his panties all twisted. But he was right, especially when you consider how bad we've let our special teams become. These opponents are freaking good, our division is excellent, and our schedule is hard--special teams in many cases will clearly be the deciding factor. And I'm not even talking about field goals, I'm talking in terms of field position and by extension time of possession. When your special teams suck like ours do, you lose the field position battle, and the only reason time of possession is even feasible now is because of David Johnson. And by the way, K9 also stated several times that Palmer would revert to his own mean, which is average or perhaps slightly above average, it's what he's been his whole career. He had one exceptional year last year. It's unreasonable to expect lightning to strike twice. So this year he's his normal self and everyone is asking what's wrong. Nothing's wrong, Palmer is being Palmer. I didn't agree with K9 then, but I accept facts when I see them and I respect it when someone drops truth even if I don't accept it at the time.
Letting our special teams get this bad is almost unforgivable. It's a third of the team, they're on the field a lot. Given how close our games were in the past, given that Palmer couldn't maintain that level of play (it's asking too much frankly, the dude can't play at an MVP level every year), given that our close game win/loss percentage would eventually come back down to earth, given all that, it's almost unforgivable given the rest of the talent on this team. It's not fair to the other guys who work so hard. I see some dudes blaming the offense, I attribute our record to special teams. Entirely. And again, I'm not talking about some missed field goals. If we have better special teams on kickoff's, punts, returns, it never even gets to a field goal because we own field position and time of possession. Period.
(If anyone thinks these few games were anomalies, they weren't: Bill Belichik gave the blueprint in game 1 when he took it down to the wire and dared us to win on special teams. Every team since has done that, and every team going forward will do that. Every team now wants to stop the deep ball and quick scores, make us pound rock, keep it close, then dare us to win on special teams. We can't. Not consistently. You don't ever win SB's with special teams like this. We'll be lucky to make the playoffs, but we aren't going anywhere)
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unfortunately, this is where I'm at right now. Maybe it's because I was at the game and still haven't really recovered from the emotional/physical toll of standing 4 straight hours with a bad back, but I don't know how this team picks itself up from the same standpoints.
Hope to be proven wrong and we go into the bye week with a W with a very winnable game against San Fran next. But man... sunday night's game was freaking rough!
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We're 3 - 3 & 1.... Which means we have played 7 games have not won 4 times. Why would anyone feel "confident" about this or any other game???
This game has all the markings of a big fat ugly L. In fact, (I feel I've been saying this the past 2-3 games) this game is likely the season for this team as a loss would not only take us to 4 losses and a tie, but mentally it would likely derail the entire team...
This game is actually a bigger test than the SeaHag game. Can they somehow gather themselves after such a brutally tough, extended game that resulted in a non-win, to go on the road to play in a place where our season has ended two years in a row? I have no doubt that the Panthers front 7 will come to play and will be in our backfield early and often. Palmer will likely be getting pressured and knocked around quite a bit in this game (Veldheer's broken finger won't be helpful...). John Brown won't be 100% IF he even plays. Peterson's back injury is not being talked about much. And really, I know he's still young but can DJ really carry the load at the level he is being asked each week?? If not physically I would guess that mentally he will soon begin to tire and wear down...
So yep - this is by far the biggest test of the season for the Cards. And I am not at all confident that they have "it" this season to pass this test... [emoji45]
This game has all the markings of a big fat ugly L. In fact, (I feel I've been saying this the past 2-3 games) this game is likely the season for this team as a loss would not only take us to 4 losses and a tie, but mentally it would likely derail the entire team...
This game is actually a bigger test than the SeaHag game. Can they somehow gather themselves after such a brutally tough, extended game that resulted in a non-win, to go on the road to play in a place where our season has ended two years in a row? I have no doubt that the Panthers front 7 will come to play and will be in our backfield early and often. Palmer will likely be getting pressured and knocked around quite a bit in this game (Veldheer's broken finger won't be helpful...). John Brown won't be 100% IF he even plays. Peterson's back injury is not being talked about much. And really, I know he's still young but can DJ really carry the load at the level he is being asked each week?? If not physically I would guess that mentally he will soon begin to tire and wear down...
So yep - this is by far the biggest test of the season for the Cards. And I am not at all confident that they have "it" this season to pass this test... [emoji45]
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I'm just a fan but I remember being 4-3 and NFL TODAY doing a segment with Plummer about our new-found success. From there, it just fell apart.
Today we are 3-3-1 and the fanbase is questioning everything, yet we sit here with 5x the talent and coaching.
C'mon guys, this is not the SOC and this isn't last year's Panther's. If we can hang in the first half we'll win by 2 scores... at least. If not, I'll be here after the game with a new thread called: REDNECK VOODOO SUCKS BECAUSE...
From there, you can all go on with your own reasons. My wife will not be allowed to post.
Today we are 3-3-1 and the fanbase is questioning everything, yet we sit here with 5x the talent and coaching.
C'mon guys, this is not the SOC and this isn't last year's Panther's. If we can hang in the first half we'll win by 2 scores... at least. If not, I'll be here after the game with a new thread called: REDNECK VOODOO SUCKS BECAUSE...
From there, you can all go on with your own reasons. My wife will not be allowed to post.
Why is Drew celebrating a win on the sideline being an ass? Are we all being asses by jumping up and down in excitement during that play too?
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82CardsGrad
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I'm just a fan but I remember being 4-3 and NFL TODAY doing a segment with Plummer about our new-found success. From there, it just fell apart.
Today we are 3-3-1 and the fanbase is questioning everything, yet we sit here with 5x the talent and coaching.
C'mon guys, this is not the SOC and this isn't last year's Panther's. If we can hang in the first half we'll win by 2 scores... at least. If not, I'll be here after the game with a new thread called: REDNECK VOODOO SUCKS BECAUSE...
From there, you can all go on with your own reasons. My wife will not be allowed to post.
Voodoo - I'm not at all suggesting this is the same 'ol Cards. I love this team and yes, they are loaded with talent in ways no prior Cards teams ever were!
But, as I've mentioned in prior threads, after all the W's thus team has put up in the BA era, including 13 last season, there was bound to be a dropoff... the NFL gods always ensure teams fall back to the mean - unless you're Belicheck and Brady of course...
This season just doesn't have that "it" feel to it at all. And I do believe that there is something up with BA.
Anyway, nothing would please me more than to see this team rally and pull off a huge win this Sunday, and then use the victory to springboard toward an epic 2nd half run. But I have to be real and not live in fantasy land... Therefore, if we lose in Carolina - again - I can't see this team getting much past 8 wins... 9 would be quite an accomplishment... meaning we would have to go 6 & 2 the rest of the way. Doable for sure... but likely? No...
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I agree with much of what you say - especially the "IT" factor and there something being "UP" with BA.
I'm certainly not picking you out specifically in my post. I just think it's premature to count this team out. I can definitely see a drop off in intensity - just not in will.
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Well, as of now, Oher is definitely out, and Bradberry and Butler look like they'll be out as well.
Very very concerning. I think Palmer and Fitzgerald will have a field day if this is the case.
Very very concerning. I think Palmer and Fitzgerald will have a field day if this is the case.
Just curious about the overall mood of your fan base. Are they holding out hope for a rebound, resigned to the fact that this is a lost year, hating on Rivera or hating on certain players, management or ownership? Deeper problems than missing a key player or 2?
btw , as Cardinals fans we have all of the aforementioned reactions .
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Stanton doesn't pout and refuse to do press conferences when he loses. Newton did after the Super Bowl last season. Newton like all hotdogs is all fun and games when he's winning. Dabbing, doing the superman thing, etc but get beat up like he did in the Super Bowl and he's a different person. It would be different if he took it like a man and owned the biggest loss of his career but he didn't. And how can you compare Stanton's dance to Newton's constant hotdogging? Not even close. Stanton was in the heat of the moment over a big TD against a division rival. Newton dances around like an idiot after gaining 5 yards. Big difference.
As for this game, as someone said in another thread, this has Oakland after the Chicago meltdown all over it. We had an emotional game Sunday night, a game we should have won but tied but felt like a loss. Defense played their hearts out only to see the offense and ST piss it away. Now we're travelling across country to play the defending NFC champs who are 1-5 and desperate. This a recipe for disaster. We can still win and we'll see what kind of tickers we have but right now, this might be worse than the NFC championship game.
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I see alot of David Johnson again in this game. Sorry K9 if that's too "Poorly thought out" for you lol
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So being disappointed and sad and crushed after a devestating loss in the biggest game of your life is a bad thing? He sat there and answered questions while the Broncos were doing press immediately behind him talking about how their plan was to hit him over and over and that's what they did.
Newton has been a one-man offense in Carolina essentially since he arrived. Why do you choose to care so much about what a quarterback on another team that you maybe (choose to) watch a handful of times per season after his plays?
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The Oakland comment was me.
That was a sadly hilarious day. I remember Ouchie and I at the bar watching a terrible raiders team kick our ass. A pretty girl walked past us, looked at the score, then us in our Cards jerseys and just said "Hard core, guys. Hard core."
That was my favorite moment of the season... which speaks volumes.
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Cam Newton running... if we can stop him from having a great time at the 'playground' offense, we will win unless we turn the ball over or our special teams acts normal for what they are lol
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He still got up and stormed off. You forget that he and his teammates were taking selfies and group photos while the NFC title game was going on but he's not man enough to take criticism when he loses? Weak argument dude.
