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This is totally unacceptable. Frank needs to go when they return to Phoenix. Something needs to change... and though it may not entirely fall on Franks head (most does) his time is simple up.

Amare again was missed. How can we compete without a PF. JJ, Casey and Marion to a lesser extent just just won't cut it.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Tom Gugliotta should be in the game. He usually does a good job of getting in the middle against the zone defense.

Good point, I was thinking the same thing.
 

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Chicago trades: PF Marcus Fizer (6.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.0 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Joe Johnson (11.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.5 apg in 37.6 minutes)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, +1.9 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Phoenix trades: SG Joe Johnson (11.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.5 apg in 37.6 minutes)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.0 minutes)
Phoenix receives: PF Marcus Fizer (6.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -3.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED
 

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JJ shoots 25% from the field again??? How does he do that so often? And he yet again had a 1:2 assist:turnover ratio.

That guy is really, really, really, really bad.
 

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Don't be too harsh on Joe Johnson.

Some people ciriticise him for shooting a 3? Well he is supposed to take the shot when he gets the ball for the shot.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Chicago trades: PF Marcus Fizer (6.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.0 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Joe Johnson (11.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.5 apg in 37.6 minutes)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, +1.9 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Phoenix trades: SG Joe Johnson (11.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.5 apg in 37.6 minutes)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.0 minutes)
Phoenix receives: PF Marcus Fizer (6.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -3.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

No way. Scott Skiles has seen plenty of Joe Johnson. I don't think he would stand by quietly while they made that trade. Unfortunately I don't think JJ would fetch much of anything in a trade.

I can't even explain how pissed off I am right now. I know it's just a game, but was terribly frustrating to watch. By no means do I blaming this loss on JJ alone, but I would be perfectly happy if they buried him on the bench.

Joe Mama
 

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slinslin, you know if this was Penny you'd be dogging him. All the johnsons on the team needs to go. JJ had his chance 2 consecutive seasons to show what he could do as a starter. Now he needs to go.
 

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I don't get to watch many Suns games. This one i wish i haven't. Something's gotta give here.
 

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And how about the games that Joe Johnson was the key to winning them?

Against the Celtics? Warriors? Heat?

When he is the gamewinner it seems like NOBODY really gives him credit but when he plays bad and the team loses he is ALWAYS the scape goat.



Why did we lose this game? How about Frank Johnson not calling a timeout when the Magic make a run? How about wasting timeouts by drawing up plays that result in a shotclock violation or turnover?

Why did Jahidi White play only 8 minutes against soft and small Magic?


LOL
The radio guy just said that some considered Frank Johnson "Coach of the Year" last season....
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
And how about the games that Joe Johnson was the key to winning them?

Against the Celtics? Warriors? Heat?

When he is the gamewinner it seems like NOBODY really gives him credit but when he plays bad and the team loses he is ALWAYS the scape goat.

What the hell are you talking about? Everyone gets excited when Joe Johnson does something. Everyone was talking about him after the Celtics game and especially after that game against the Warriors. The problem is those games are so far and few between. It's just not enough anymore.

This team desperately needs some good coaching.

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Originally posted by slinslin
And how about the games that Joe Johnson was the key to winning them?

Against the Celtics? Warriors? Heat?

When he is the gamewinner it seems like NOBODY really gives him credit but when he plays bad and the team loses he is ALWAYS the scape goat.



Why did we lose this game? How about Frank Johnson not calling a timeout when the Magic make a run? How about wasting timeouts by drawing up plays that result in a shotclock violation or turnover?

Why did Jahidi White play only 8 minutes against soft and small Magic?


LOL
The radio guy just said that some considered Frank Johnson "Coach of the Year" last season....

Those are 3 games. And if you're simply going to give him all the credit for winning 3 games where he had like 17 points, you'd have to give him a whole lot of the blame for our piss-poor season so far. Joe Johnson has had less than 10 real, definate good games as a Phoenix Sun.

The guy is relatively athletic, has a good body, a decent jumper if left wide open, is an okay defender and an okay passer.

That's what you call a run-of-the-mill shooting guard. Welcome to the NBA.
 

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When he is the gamewinner

How many times has that happened? Two? I distinctly remember Paul MacPherson winning a game for the Suns once, but they didn't consider it necessary to keep him around, either.

but when he plays bad and the team loses

He almost always plays badly. Just look at the numbers. Someone who has one good game every two weeks isn't worth keeping as part of the team's long-term future.

How about wasting timeouts by drawing up plays that result in a shotclock violation or turnover?

I'm not about to defend Frank Johnson, but obviously if a play results in a turnover, that means the play was not executed properly.

Why did Jahidi White play only 8 minutes against soft and small Magic?

Because he committed a foul on every Magic possession.
 

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I want to see what Joe Johnson can do under a real coach.

Not someone who makes him a starter, benches him after a handfull of games, makes him a starter again, benches him again, wants him to play PG, then SG, then SF, then PF plus rotating on defense all the time and leaving the shooters open just because they want to double-team on the ball all the time.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
I want to see what Joe Johnson can do under a real coach.

Not someone who makes him a starter, benches him after a handfull of games, makes him a starter again, benches him again, wants him to play PG, then SG, then SF, then PF plus rotating on defense all the time and leaving the shooters open just because they want to double-team on the ball all the time.

I agree its really not totaly his fault. FJ has alot to do with his poor play. But dont claim him is so freaking better than Penny everytime he has a decent game or Penny has a bad game. He is certainly NOT!
 

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Originally posted by SirChaz
It is like groundhog day, the same BS every game.


Let's stand around on the perimeter and jack up threes.



AGRHHHHHHH!!


I am so sick of watching this same script every time.

You stole my line :D

One more thing, why bother taking Trybanski off the injured list - FJ will not play him unless he's told to by a higher power. Trybanski is a rebounding fool and for some reason, FJ belittled him for his efforts - just leave him on the injured list where he belongs:stupid:
 
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Hey guys, I got an old old old computer running at my house, so hopefully I am back for now.

Anyways, I only got to watch through the first half of the second quarter, but unfortunately I saw this happening.

Since I didn't watch most of the game, I won't comment really on it. I just wanted to add that while Amare's absence was obviously a factor for us, the Orlando magic have absolutelly no inside presence. This is the team would should be able to handle without Amare, imagine against the bigger teams in the league (I can think of about 27) how we will do.

Back to the age old JJ discussion. It appears he frustrated even the most patient of you guys tonight. I saw a lot of people claiming they should see what they can get in a trade. I simply do not see that being a good idea. You do not buy high and sell low. We gave up a lot to get him, and not to much would come back right now.

He just needs to be able to play through this season at least. We took his 4th year option, so he isn't a free agent until after next season. He is still very young. Yes he is in his third NBA season, and yes he should be doing better. However that doesn't mean we need to give up hope with him. Unless he is included in a bigger deal that would bring in a real impact player, JJ needs to stay until he has value.

I do agree it will be interesting to see how he responds to a real coach. IMO, he was handled completely wrong from the beginning. Everyone knows he was set up to fail last season when he was given the start for no reason. Even I said I wanted Penny to start at the beginning of this year, and maybe ease JJ into it midway through the season. A young player shouldn't be thrown into the starting lineup for game 1 unless you are 100% sure he is ready, which I don't think anyone was.

I will end it with this. Rookie contracts were implemented for a couple reasons. First off, it prevented teams from overpaying rookies, and put them on a standard pay scale. Secondly, it locked every rookie into a guaranteed 3 year contract, with a team option for a 4th year, all at minimal rate (by NBA standards). This was done so that teams may evaluate the talent they have before committing or not committing to a player. This became more necessary as the average draft age continued to fall, and draft picks became more of projects instead of quick fixes.

JJ should be allowed to be evaluated through his rookie deal, which has one more year on it. If at any point the management team feels they have a deal where he can be moved either by himself, or with other players for people who will make a better consistant, long term impact on this team, then they should do it. Otherwise, there is no reason to move him just for the sake of moving him.


Andy
 

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Hi Andy,

Congratulations on getting back up and running. You made many good points, but I just wanted to point out one correction. The Suns did not give up a lot for Johnson. They gave up Rogers, who they weren't going to re-sign anyway, and Delk, who had worn out his welcome. And they got a pick along with Johnson anyway. So the Celtics "sold low," so to speak, and it doesn't seem to have cost them much (although I imagine they'd prefer to have kept the pick).
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
Hi Andy,

Congratulations on getting back up and running. You made many good points, but I just wanted to point out one correction. The Suns did not give up a lot for Johnson. They gave up Rogers, who they weren't going to re-sign anyway, and Delk, who had worn out his welcome. And they got a pick along with Johnson anyway. So the Celtics "sold low," so to speak, and it doesn't seem to have cost them much (although I imagine they'd prefer to have kept the pick).

The Geezer's right Andy, we really didn't give up much...but then I think you're right also. Since JJ allways seems to do well in pre-season, wait until then & make a trade.

Welcolme back, Andy..... sorry to hear about your loss the other day. I hope they catch the buggers and send them to LA where they belong:lol:
 

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Originally posted by PhiLLmattiC
Is anyone willing to sell me a copy of the game. Please.
Most of the tapes have been burned or erased..... It'll probably cost you big bucks if you find one.:D
 

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Originally posted by Wally


Welcolme back, Andy..... sorry to hear about your loss the other day. I hope they catch the buggers and send them to LA where they belong:lol:

That's not very nice.
 

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