Orlando supposedly very interested in Nash

[chickenhead]

Another factor in the Orlando-Phoenix debate is that Florida has no state tax, of course.

Man I wish Sarver weren't the owner. I think Phoenix could actually be a good destination for Howard. Especially as a big man--you know the training staff will keep him in contracts. But for a player of this stature, the owner has to personally woo them, and I just don't have any faith in Sarver or his reputation.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think it would be a great duo, but it wouldn't get them an opportunity this season. It takes players a little while to get the hang of playing with Nash. Usually they get hit in the face and hands alot with passes they weren't expecting.

I just think it is fascinating that Howard is willing to re-up if Orlando gets Nash. The mantra on this board and others has always been "what kind of draw is a 38 year old pg going to be for free agents?" I guess much better than we thought.

Since Orlando does not have much to offer for Nash, I am inclined not to trade him.

I think nash in orlando makes them a contender, but yes I agree miami is still the favorite or chicago. as far as dwight, who knows with that guy. he is like a teenager right now every day there is a different scenario of what he's going to be when he grows up. I think ultimately he is going to be a free agent and will pick which team he goes to. and at the end of the day it might be orlando. if i were dwight i would ask orlando to keep me and sell them on the idea that he is leaning on a return. just like lebron did in cleveland. if the magic trade dwight he loses out on the possibility of being a free agent and choosing the best deal like lebron did.

the dilemma for phx is that they are not going to get much in return for nash because of his age. at least they are not going to get something of equal value. if they trade nash it will just be that they have come to the conclusion that they are rebuilding and nash is their most tradeable asset. kind of like what boston is facing with rondo. the difference there is that rondo is young and many teams will be willing to give up draft picks and other solid talent for rondo because of his age.

it looks like nash will play out his contract in phoenix and will likely walk to another team. it is not beyond the possibility that nash could return to dallas to end his career with dirk and jkidd if the mavs don't get williams.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Here is a dreams scenario. Howard and Orlando end up an an impasse (not out of the question). Carmelo clearly isn't working in New York (likely), so.

NY gets Warrick, Childress, Frye, Suns 2012 first round pick.
Orlando gets Carmelo Anthony
Suns get Dwight Howard

Salaries work. NY gets out of Carmelo's deal, gets Frye who would be a help with DAntoni's system, especially with Amare faltering, gets a good pick in a great draft.

Orlando gets a superstar player that needs a team built around him. Its a good piece to start with and gives them something rather than nothing. That something is locked in so he can't leave for a while.

Phoenix. Well, its kind of obvious. We get Howard AND enough cap room to sign Nash and another max player. Instant rebuild.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think it would be a great duo, but it wouldn't get them an opportunity this season. It takes players a little while to get the hang of playing with Nash. Usually they get hit in the face and hands alot with passes they weren't expecting.

I just think it is fascinating that Howard is willing to re-up if Orlando gets Nash. The mantra on this board and others has always been "what kind of draw is a 38 year old pg going to be for free agents?" I guess much better than we thought.

Since Orlando does not have much to offer for Nash, I am inclined not to trade him.

nash doesn't have to worry about hitting dwight in the head. nash just has to throw it up and make sure the ball doesn't hit the iron. dwight will do the rest, likely better than amare ever did.

 

[Lorenzo]

Here is a dreams scenario. Howard and Orlando end up an an impasse (not out of the question). Carmelo clearly isn't working in New York (likely), so.

NY gets Warrick, Childress, Frye, Suns 2012 first round pick.
Orlando gets Carmelo Anthony
Suns get Dwight Howard

Salaries work. NY gets out of Carmelo's deal, gets Frye who would be a help with DAntoni's system, especially with Amare faltering, gets a good pick in a great draft.

Orlando gets a superstar player that needs a team built around him. Its a good piece to start with and gives them something rather than nothing. That something is locked in so he can't leave for a while.

Phoenix. Well, its kind of obvious. We get Howard AND enough cap room to sign Nash and another max player. Instant rebuild.

i like your thinking. you know right now more than ever is it possible to do multi team trades. with orlando, boston, golden state, houston, LAL, and other teams looking to make deals, it's up to these GM's to be creative to make it happen. I just don't know that orlando wants to trade howard. I think orlando is kind of like cleveland here. they don't want to trade away a once and a lifetime guy if they have a shot at keeping him.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think dallas is just sitting back hoping that dwight is not traded to the nets. if he is traded somewhere else it might not be that big of a deal, but they could lose out on getting howard all together.

if not that gives them an inside track to sign williams and possibly howard if he is a FA and if they can clear more salary.

 

[Lorenzo]

the only team that I think dwight can be traded to is the nets and possibly the lakers. the bulls or knicks can't and won't work that deal the way things are going now.

so the way I see it is that orlando is in control right now. dwight is not going to be traded to another team that he doesn't want to sign a long term contract. the lakers are in contention in the west so it is dicey to think that a deal there will get done. NJ is completely out of contention and their only real chance at being a contender moving forward is to trade for howard or sign him in FA. If dwight is a FA they lose control and have to compete with cuban, others, and orlando. so the way it looks this all depends on orlando....

 

[elindholm]

Here is a dreams scenario. Howard and Orlando end up an an impasse (not out of the question). Carmelo clearly isn't working in New York (likely), so.

NY gets Warrick, Childress, Frye, Suns 2012 first round pick.
Orlando gets Carmelo Anthony
Suns get Dwight Howard

Why wouldn't Orlando just trade Howard to New York directly? Obviously the Knicks would rather have Howard than the pupu platter you're giving them in this deal. Surely the Knicks would also include a pick and/or a young player, improving the deal for the Magic.

 

[JS22]

Ok. Reports are out today that Dwight Howard went to the Magic owner and requested that they trade for Nash.

Now let me play devils advocate for a moment. Knowing what it would take for the Magic to aquire Nash, and knowing that Howard wants to play with Nash, and assuming that he is willing to re-up with the Magic if they do get Nash, doesn't it make more sense for Howard to just sign with the Suns in the off-season. If the Suns keep Nash, and the other assets the Suns have, they would be a better team with Howard, than the Magic would be by adding Nash to the mix (and trading away the young talent and picks it would take to get him).

Food for thought. Maybe Nash could still be somewhat of a FA draw.

I thought about this too, then came to the conclusion that it's completely ridiculous. There's no way Howard would want any part of this disaster of a franchise.

Though Nash, Howard, and Gortat would be fun as hell to watch. Grab a decent wing and you'd have a chance.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Oh just stop already about the Phx market being detrimental to his shoe contract. Being on a better team will make up that 30 million just in extra endorsements.

Phoenix is a second tier market but Durant signed a huge shoe deal in a much smaller market.

I don't know if it will be detrimental to his shoe contract but Adidas has all their money tied up in basically two players, Rose and Howard. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that Adidas wants them in big markets. I doubt that they will insist upon it but I do believe that it will influence his decision. And I don't think it's all that easy to make up 30 million just by moving from Orlando to Phoenix.

As for Durant, he's a quiet, unassuming person who rarely screams "look at me, look at me". Nobody tells the world to call them Superman because they want to avoid publicity. Again, I don't see moving to Phoenix as such a huge improvement in this regard over Orlando. There's a reason that Dwight's approved list of trading partners only included the super markets.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Van Gundy is one of the better coaches in the league. I expect he would have played them together if he thought it would make them better.

Unless somehow we trade for Dwight I highly doubt Dwight will come to Phoenix for a pay cut, in free agency, and not be in a market beneficial to his shoe contract.

It would be nice to see him in Phoenix but it is just wishful thinking, unfortunately.

I think he ends up in Orlando. 30 Million will be hard to turn down.

I guess that's why they call them opinions. In my opinion, he's one of the worst coaches in the league and he's single-handledly responsible for turning Howard into arguably the best big man in the NBA today. Any other coach would have turned him into one of the best big men in the history of the game. Stan's sideline antics turn him into a sideshow rather than a coach. His players routinely tune him out but until they do they're pretty much nervous wrecks. Fire him 5 years ago and Orlando has as least 2 rings IMO.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

I think Van Gundy is one of the better coaches in the league. I expect he would have played them together if he thought it would make them better.

Unless somehow we trade for Dwight I highly doubt Dwight will come to Phoenix for a pay cut, in free agency, and not be in a market beneficial to his shoe contract.

It would be nice to see him in Phoenix but it is just wishful thinking, unfortunately.

I think he ends up in Orlando. 30 Million will be hard to turn down.

I think Van Gundy sucks. I cant remember a team having a big man who is so utterly dominant and doing less with him than Orlando does. He might be a good motivator but as an Xs and Os guy I dont see anything special.

And I dont think Dwights coming to Phoenix, I dont think I ever really hinted at that.

And I do think the "extra 30 million dollars" thing is totally overrated, especially for a guy in Dwights position. Its not actually an extra 30 mil, its just an extra year on his deal, and I dont doubt Dwight thinks he is capable of earning another max deal 5 years from now.

My money puts Dwight in Dallas next year.

And yeeeeeeeeeeeikes if that happens.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Oh just stop already about the Phx market being detrimental to his shoe contract. Being on a better team will make up that 30 million just in extra endorsements.

Phoenix is a second tier market but Durant signed a huge shoe deal in a much smaller market.

Stop the garbage about Howard coming to Phoenix.

It ain't happening as long as Sarver is in charge.

Orlando or New Jersey is where he will play next year.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I guess that's why they call them opinions. In my opinion, he's one of the worst coaches in the league and he's single-handledly responsible for turning Howard into arguably the best big man in the NBA today. Any other coach would have turned him into one of the best big men in the history of the game. Stan's sideline antics turn him into a sideshow rather than a coach. His players routinely tune him out but until they do they're pretty much nervous wrecks. Fire him 5 years ago and Orlando has as least 2 rings IMO.

Steve

All he has done is win every year while getting them to the finals once. This is with a roster that no one wants anyone off of except Howard.

Who is their big three?

Who is their big Two?

Who takes the big shot at winning time?

Does Stan miss all of those free throws?

Is Stan responsible for Dwight not working on his offensive game more in the off season?

With what he has had to work with I think Stan has done a fine job.

I don't like his sideline antics either but that does not mean he is not a good coach.

We will have to disagree, so be it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

All he has done is win every year while getting them to the finals once. This is with a roster that no one wants anyone off of except Howard.

Who is their big three?

Who is their big Two?

Who takes the big shot at winning time?

Does Stan miss all of those free throws?

Is Stan responsible for Dwight not working on his offensive game more in the off season?

With what he has had to work with I think Stan has done a fine job.

I don't like his sideline antics either but that does not mean he is not a good coach.

We will have to disagree, so be it.

And along the way Orlando has suited up Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Marcin Gortat, Grant Hill, Cuttino Mobley, Hedo Turkoglu, Steve Francis, Keyon Dooling, Deshawn Stevenson, Rashard Lewis, Ryan Anderson, Tony Battie, Kelvin Cato, Doug Christie, Keith Bogans, Jameer Nelson, Matt Barnes, Michael Pietrus, Jason Williams, Trevor Ariza, Carlos Arroyo and many others.

When you have the most dominant big man in the game, it's supposed to make it a lot easier for mediocre talent to rise a level. Orlando has never had anything that compares to Miami's big three but who has? Had Stan taken this team to the winner's circle many of these players would be remembered as key players on a winning team instead of just the bunch of losers you're probably calling them. That's what winning does.

Steve

 

[B-Dogg]

What would make the most sense is to move Grant Hill and Nash to Boston, it gives them a two year window to win it all and give the Suns something to build around with Rondo and Gortat. Makes a lot of sense for both teams and players involved.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And along the way Orlando has suited up Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Marcin Gortat, Grant Hill, Cuttino Mobley, Hedo Turkoglu, Steve Francis, Keyon Dooling, Deshawn Stevenson, Rashard Lewis, Ryan Anderson, Tony Battie, Kelvin Cato, Doug Christie, Keith Bogans, Jameer Nelson, Matt Barnes, Michael Pietrus, Jason Williams, Trevor Ariza, Carlos Arroyo and many others.

When you have the most dominant big man in the game, it's supposed to make it a lot easier for mediocre talent to rise a level. Orlando has never had anything that compares to Miami's big three but who has? Had Stan taken this team to the winner's circle many of these players would be remembered as key players on a winning team instead of just the bunch of losers you're probably calling them. That's what winning does.

Steve

eh... not sure if i totally agree with this. Howard is STILL incredibly limited as an offensive player and Van Gundy can't help that. If Howard had olajuwon's game, that team would have won titles by now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

eh... not sure if i totally agree with this. Howard is STILL incredibly limited as an offensive player and Van Gundy can't help that. If Howard had olajuwon's game, that team would have won titles by now.

He is incredibly limited as an offensive player but IMO, Van Gundy is the reason for his lack of progress. The Van Gundy clan thinks defense isn't just the most important aspect of the game, it's the only aspect of the game. There's simply no excuse for Dwight not being a great offensive force, he has all the tools. At least Dantoni can point to injuries as part of an excuse for Amare not developing as a defender but what is Stan's excuse?

Steve

 

[Folster]

On the way to work, I heard Gambo say that the Magic have never contacted the Suns about Steve Nash's availability (from Bryan Colangelo's tenure to Babby's).

 

[Mainstreet]

On the way to work, I heard Gambo say that the Magic have never contacted the Suns about Steve Nash's availability (from Bryan Colangelo's tenure to Babby's).

And who would tell Gambo knowing he is going to put it out there? If this were Coro, I would give it more credibility.

 

[Folster]

And who would tell Gambo knowing he is going to put it out there? If this were Coro, I would give it more credibility.

Matt Self says that Gambo gets his info straight from Sarver.

 

[Mainstreet]

Matt Self says that Gambo gets his info straight from Sarver.

Well that settles it.

If Matt Self posted it, it would have more credibility to me.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Stop the garbage about Howard coming to Phoenix.

It ain't happening as long as Sarver is in charge.

Orlando or New Jersey is where he will play next year.

Listen, i am posting ideas which are far more interesting than than the negative crap you keep posting.

 

[JustWinBaby]

And along the way Orlando has suited up Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Marcin Gortat, Grant Hill, Cuttino Mobley, Hedo Turkoglu, Steve Francis, Keyon Dooling, Deshawn Stevenson, Rashard Lewis, Ryan Anderson, Tony Battie, Kelvin Cato, Doug Christie, Keith Bogans, Jameer Nelson, Matt Barnes, Michael Pietrus, Jason Williams, Trevor Ariza, Carlos Arroyo and many others.

When you have the most dominant big man in the game, it's supposed to make it a lot easier for mediocre talent to rise a level. Orlando has never had anything that compares to Miami's big three but who has? Had Stan taken this team to the winner's circle many of these players would be remembered as key players on a winning team instead of just the bunch of losers you're probably calling them. That's what winning does.

Steve

I don't know who you are trying to impress with the group of flunkies you mentioned. That is a pretty weak ass group if you ask me. As a matter of fact pretty horrilbe. All had issues in their careers and were not at their peak when in Orlando.

Maybe Van Gundy deserves to be in the hall of fame for getting them to win as many games as he has. All along I just thought he was just one of the better coaches in the league.

Thanks for supporting my belief with the facts. He hasn't had much talent beyond Dwight.

I really don't understand the hate for SVG.

Sometimes you can be wrong, you know.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't know who you are trying to impress with the group of flunkies you mentioned. That is a pretty weak ass group if you ask me. As a matter of fact pretty horrilbe. All had issues in their careers and were not at their peak when in Orlando.

Maybe Van Gundy deserves to be in the hall of fame for getting them to win as many games as he has. All along I just thought he was just one of the better coaches in the league.

Thanks for supporting my belief with the facts. He hasn't had much talent beyond Dwight.

I really don't understand the hate for SVG.

Sometimes you can be wrong, you know.

Gee, I wonder if that means I can be right sometimes too.

Steve