Ossenfort's crap drafting continued. The Athletic All Rookie Team

[slanidrac16]

From the article.

After landing Puka Nacua, Steve Avila, Kobie Turner and Byron Young in 2023, they nailed their class again in 2024 with Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens, Beaux Limmer and even Joshua Karty.

Can’t argue with success. Somebody’s got to be the best. Remember every player mention was passed on by 31 other GM’s…180 chances to draft Nacua and nobody grabbed him.
I understand your point but I’m going to judge on our results. Doubling our wins in year two has to count for something.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

From the article.

After landing Puka Nacua, Steve Avila, Kobie Turner and Byron Young in 2023, they nailed their class again in 2024 with Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens, Beaux Limmer and even Joshua Karty.

I can't stop staring at this. We are drafting the belly of the team and saying to give it 3 years.

Our division rivals in the playoffs have drafted their starting WR, LG, DE, OLB, Edge, DE, C, and K. Kinchens probably starts next year. And they are all really good and all with way less draft capital than we had.

Proximo, why did you curse me with this knowledge?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Doubling our wins in year two has to count for something.

It does.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Next year we will see what MO has done by drafting these guys or the house of Cards comes tumbling down.

He’s been terrible in FA I’m hoping the drafts don’t follow that trend.

This breakdown makes me sad though.

I would counter that he hasn't been that bad in free agency. Froholdt was a slam dunk hit.

 

[Proximo]

Also to say it slower for Proxsimpo - I...Didn't....Rank....Them....The....Athletic's....National....Sports.....Writers....Did

I don't care who ranked them.

I don't care if a couple teams had dramatically better drafts than the Cards.

The claim is that Monti's draft is crap - and that is a stupid unsubstantiated claim. You don't get significant contributions from 80% of your draft if it's crap.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I would counter that he hasn't been that bad in free agency. Froholdt was a slam dunk hit.

The misses far outweigh the hits.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You don't get significant contributions from 80% of your draft if it's crap.

Where pray tell are these "significant contributions" from 80% of the draft?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't care who ranked them.

I don't care if a couple teams had dramatically better drafts than the Cards.

The claim is that Monti's draft is crap - and that is a stupid unsubstantiated claim. You don't get significant contributions from 80% of your draft if it's crap.

Hey Simping Ain't Easy!

What you meant to say was:

You did the work for me, you took my challenge, and I am WRONG

Big W, Big R, Big O, Big N, Big G

You challenged me for one, I gave you multiple.

Also, we did not get significant contributions from 80%. You are WRONG there again

Harrison Jr. - Significant Contribution 1-0
Robinson - Barely played and sucked when he did 1-1
Max Melton - Played but sucks. Still I will count him for you 2-1
Trey Benson - 291 yards is not a significant contribution 2-2
Isiah Adams - Played and MEGA SUCKED but I will count him since he started 3-2
Tip Reiman - Played 30% of the time and did his job. 4-2
Elijiah Jones - Didn't play 4-3
Rabbit - Played and was awesome 5-3
Xavier Thomas - Didn't play 5-4
Christian Jones - Sucks but started a game due to injuries 6-4
Tejjuan Palmer - Didn't play 6-5
Jaden Davis - Didn't play 6-6

So being generous, it is 50 - 50

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Some of you have a very different interpretation of "significant contribution" than I do.

 

[Chopper0080]

Hey Simping Ain't Easy!

What you meant to say was:

You did the work for me, you took my challenge, and I am WRONG

Big W, Big R, Big O, Big N, Big G

You challenged me for one, I gave you multiple.

Also, we did not get significant contributions from 80%. You are WRONG there again

Harrison Jr. - Significant Contribution 1-0
Robinson - Barely played and sucked when he did 1-1
Max Melton - Played but sucks. Still I will count him for you 2-1
Trey Benson - 291 yards is not a significant contribution 2-2
Isiah Adams - Played and MEGA SUCKED but I will count him since he started 3-2
Tip Reiman - Played 30% of the time and did his job. 4-2
Elijiah Jones - Didn't play 4-3
Rabbit - Played and was awesome 5-3
Xavier Thomas - Didn't play 5-4
Christian Jones - Sucks but started a game due to injuries 6-4
Tejjuan Palmer - Didn't play 6-5
Jaden Davis - Didn't play 6-6

So being generous, it is 50 - 50

This was a pretty generous evaluation.

 

[BritCard]

While you're right, we do need to "Give it a minute," I am so sick and tired of watching other teams have rookies walk into the team and become Big Johns right away while Monti can't manage that. We haven't had one thus far. PJJ? The word I most equate with him is solid. He's not a Big John, but he's acceptable. Not what you want out of a #3 pick (which we owned) but whatever. Garrett Williams is solid as well. Took some time to come back from injury/develop, which is fine, and lends to your point. But, yeah, that's not a lot of high impact from TONS of draft picks. Not one Big John taken, let alone being a star from day one. Building the belly of the team is fine, and was necessary. At least we've been able to do that much. If Monti's going to continue the "Patriot Way," he has to do MUCH better identifying talent in the draft.

Garrett Williams was a top 3 slot CB this year. A number of analysts lamented him not making the Pro Bowl. He's far more than solid.

Look at Trey in year 1. The vast majority of players take a minute.

 

[BritCard]

He’s been terrible in FA I’m hoping the drafts don’t follow that trend.

Evan Brown, Jonah Williams, Blake Gillikin, SMB, Mack Wilson, Froholdt, Kyzir White, have all been solid or good starters.

Even guys like Collier, Colon and Tonga have been good value and solid contributors.

Jones and Nichols didn't get enough play to be considered.

That's not terrible.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Evan Brown, Jonah Williams, Blake Gillikin, SMB, Mack Wilson, Froholdt, Kyzir White, have all been solid or good starters.

Even guys like Collier, Colon and Tonga have been good value and solid contributors.

Jones and Nichols didn't get enough play to be considered.

That's not terrible.

Just being "not terrible" is not the formula to building a winning team! Please tell me of that list of yours who is a "good starter".

 

[Chopper0080]

The overall problem is that Monti had a ton of top 100 picks and did not come away with any sort of top draft class. I said somewhere else that I give him a C for drafting. A lot of these guys are going to hang around on the roster. Tip is going to hang on the roster for a while. Adams probably hangs around. Melton will hang around. DTD will hang around.

The problem is that Monti spent a top 90 pick on a (so far) blocking TE. If Tip develops or is sued more as a receiving options, he can meet his draft status. If not, the Cardinals wasted a top 90 pick on a player they could have signed in FA for 2 or 3 mil.

The problem is Monti spend a top 100 pick on Elijah Jones at CB when he already had a young CB room. 2nd round pick Max Melton struggled to earn snaps and Jones would have gotten less than him if he would have been healthy. There just wasn't a path for Jones to actually get meaningful snaps his rookie year, and that path is less clear in 2025.

DTD looks like a great pick but it was always going to be tough for him to make an impact. Thankfully, he kinda did.

It's just wild how Monti's selections as a whole had such a limited possibility of short term impact.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't believe Cardinals fans understand that the Rams got *checks notes*

Sacks: 13 TFL: 21 QB Pressures: 128 Tackles: 110

Out of their first two picks.

 

[kerouac9]

I am not going to say he is the best GM in the league at drafting by any means, but to say he sucks at it is ridiculous since we got contributions from nearly every pick from the 6th round up.

The "contributions" measure is pretty weak. You'd expect a lot of middling players to get snaps for a team that was 4-13 the season before. Only a player or two actually provided meaningful contribution above a street free agent.

Reiman was drafted as a blocking TE - and he did a good job at that. He never even got opportunities to catch the ball because we already have the best TE in the league.

That's not a feature -- it's a criticism. There's no objective measure beyond vibes to support that Reiman did a good job as a blocker. If he's nothing more than a 4th OT 85% of the time, a third round pick is a high price to pay.

This isn't a criticism of the player -- Beej has been objectively bad pick by any measure. It's a critique of the value of the selection.

You could do the work yourself you simp. I already posted the work but I will tell you to start with the Giants

It was funny when you directed this generally. For me, this tone is a little sharp from a moderator. I wouldn't like this to be the mood of the board.

I am so sick and tired of watching other teams have rookies walk into the team and become Big Johns right away while Monti can't manage that.

Time's getting close for Monti to take some bigger swings on upside and worry less about the floor for some of these prospects, for sure.

I can't stop staring at this. We are drafting the belly of the team and saying to give it 3 years.

Our division rivals in the playoffs have drafted their starting WR, LG, DE, OLB, Edge, DE, C, and K. Kinchens probably starts next year. And they are all really good and all with way less draft capital than we had.

Proximo, why did you curse me with this knowledge?

To be fair, the Rams started with the foundation of a Super Bowl-winning roster. We started with a team that backed into the playoffs and boatraced out of it in the first round .

 

[phillycard]

While you're right, we do need to "Give it a minute," I am so sick and tired of watching other teams have rookies walk into the team and become Big Johns right away while Monti can't manage that. We haven't had one thus far. PJJ? The word I most equate with him is solid. He's not a Big John, but he's acceptable. Not what you want out of a #3 pick (which we owned) but whatever. Garrett Williams is solid as well. Took some time to come back from injury/develop, which is fine, and lends to your point. But, yeah, that's not a lot of high impact from TONS of draft picks. Not one Big John taken, let alone being a star from day one. Building the belly of the team is fine, and was necessary. At least we've been able to do that much. If Monti's going to continue the "Patriot Way," he has to do MUCH better identifying talent in the draft.

Okay!!!?? While there's merit to the "wait and see" approach, it's frustrating to see other rookies have a tangible impact for other teams right away. We stay a day late and a dollar short which is why our "rebuilds" seem to take longer than anyone else's. Just in my own backyard (literally) to see Cooper DeJean and Quinyon Mitchell already touted as an integral part of the eagle's success is the worst!

 

[kerouac9]

Evan Brown, Jonah Williams, Blake Gillikin, SMB, Mack Wilson, Froholdt, Kyzir White, have all been solid or good starters.

Even guys like Collier, Colon and Tonga have been good value and solid contributors.

Jones and Nichols didn't get enough play to be considered.

That's not terrible.

If your FA acquisition gets injured you don't get positive credit. SMB was essentially sidelined by Melton and ST4 by the end of the year. I'm a bigger Evan Brown fan than almost everyone.

 

[BritCard]

Just being "not terrible" is not the formula to building a winning team! Please tell me of that list of yours who is a "good starter".

Brown, Williams, Gillikin, Wilson, Froholdt, SMB and White have all been "good" starters.

 

[602 Native]

I would counter that he hasn't been that bad in free agency. Froholdt was a slam dunk hit.

I also count FA as our own guys. If you count JC and Budda it is better. Holdt has been really good but the defense has been a total let down for me.

 

[DVontel]

The overall problem is that Monti had a ton of top 100 picks and did not come away with any sort of top draft class.

Yea, I think this is accurate.

It’s still early, but kind of sucks the best player on the team is still a Keim player(Budda).

Meanwhile, the Rams’ best players & who came out the gate swinging are players they drafted in the previous two drafts are Puka & Verse.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yea, I think this is accurate.

It’s still early, but kind of sucks the best player on the team is still a Keim player(Budda).

Meanwhile, the Rams’ best players & who came out the gate swinging are players they drafted in the previous two drafts are Puka & Verse.

Budda. McBride. Hell, Zach Allen would be the best defensive player on the roster if he was still here. Kyler was a Keim pick.

Monti's claim to fame being a nickel CB and a top 30 WR who was drafted #4 overall is underwhelming for sure.

 

[DVontel]

Budda. McBride. Hell, Zach Allen would be the best defensive player on the roster if he was still here. Kyler was a Keim pick.

Monti's claim to fame being a nickel CB and a top 30 WR who was drafted #4 overall is underwhelming for sure.

Can’t believe McBride just went over my head. Yeesh.

 

[Chopper0080]

I forgot Conner as well though he was a FA.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Brown, Williams, Gillikin, Wilson, Froholdt, SMB and White have all been "good" starters.

This is an absurd list.

Evan Brown - below average starter
Jonah - below average starter
Gillikin - average at best
Wilson - average at best
Fro - sometimes above average, sometimes below
SMB - lol
White - average at best

To say all these guys have been good starters is beyond ridiculous.