OT: Annika

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Card Trader
+1 is respectable to the point that she didnt' embrass herself, but it by no means is competitive

How can you be so down on Annika...look, she's smiling at you!

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[Card Trader]

I'm not down on her....I actually seem to like her personality....but the point is there are too many double standards in this politically correct country already.....do we really need another?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Card Trader
She wants to be treated equally by playing on the mens tour, yet you guys are giving her a handicap because of pressure? That is a double standard, the reason she did not so well is because she isn't NEARLY as good as a good majority of the men on the tour.

Throw out all the lame excuses about pressure etc. for her performance, fact is though, she is suppose to be a proffesional who shoudl be able to play through that.

Heh, Annika appologists....now I've seen it all.

When has she ever said anything about being treated equally? How about never?
Lumping her in with the Augusta protesters is purely your own doing.


Apparently she's as good as half the guys at the Colonial, no?

 

[SECTION 11]

There is no double standard here.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Card Trader
+1 is respectable to the point that she didnt' embrass herself, but it by no means is competitive

Well, considering she's in 60th, and 16 others trail her, it's just as competive as any man would be.

There is no double-standard, but considering no woman has playe don the tour in 48 years, mainly cause they would never be able to keep up, she is doing remarkably well.

Mike

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
When has she ever said anything about being treated equally? How about never?
Lumping her in with the Augusta protesters is purely your own doing.


Apparently she's as good as half the guys at the Colonial, no?

Half the guys? Eh?

By going to the PGA tour, teeing off from mens tees that is being treated equally......

When has she ever come out and said anything about how she deserves to be treated differently? How about Never.

I didn't lump her with the Augusta protestors, I just posted a funny picture from those protestors.

And yes, there is a double standard, if you can't see it you are blind.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Well, considering she's in 60th, and 16 others trail her, it's just as competive as any man would be.

There is no double-standard, but considering no woman has playe don the tour in 48 years, mainly cause they would never be able to keep up, she is doing remarkably well.

Mike

Sure...if you consider being in the bottom 20% "keeping up" then I concede that point to you.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Card Trader
And yes, there is a double standard, if you can't see it you are blind.

What exactly is the double standard with her playing at the Colonial?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Card Trader
Hmm, I'm not following the logic here.....

She wants to be treated equally by playing on the mens tour, yet you guys are giving her a handicap because of pressure? That is a double standard, the reason she did not so well is because she isn't NEARLY as good as a good majority of the men on the tour.

Throw out all the lame excuses about pressure etc. for her performance, fact is though, she is suppose to be a proffesional who shoudl be able to play through that.

Heh, Annika appologists....now I've seen it all.

Well the point I was making is she's in a situation NONE of the men have ever been in. Making the tour as an up and coming youngster is one kind of pressure, being THE dominant player on your tour and trying to compete on a new tour is a LOT more pressure.

I am saying I think she handled it well.

I mean a LOT of men have choked under pressure in sports, hell Nick Anderson never recovered from all those missed freethrows in the NBA finals years ago. The potential was there for a huge choke today and she didn't do it that's all I'm saying.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Card Trader
Sure...if you consider being in the bottom 20% "keeping up" then I concede that point to you.

Well then, you may as well be saying that the bottom 20% of the men can't keep up either, and aren't competitive.

Yet in golf, you can finish 80th one week, and win the next...you never know.

Mike

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
What exactly is the double standard with her playing at the Colonial?

It is a PGA tour event.....if a woman is allowed to play on a tour that has been male only for the past 50+ years why can a man not play in a tournament that was previously womans only?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Card Trader
Sure...if you consider being in the bottom 20% "keeping up" then I concede that point to you.

Depends, a lot of people went into this thinking you can find 10 guys on any public course in America that can beat her. I don't think too many people would say that after today given she's ahead of 16 real golfers.

I think the fact that she's not dead last completely overmatched speaks well for her.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Card Trader
It is a PGA tour event.....if a woman is allowed to play on a tour that has been male only for the past 50+ years why can a man not play in a tournament that was previously womans only?

But Annika isn't the one complaining about that it's the feminist groups. To my knowledge she's not aligning herself with them.

 

[Lex]

PGA tour events are 72 holes. Annika has played 18. No one cares who's leading after 18, let's see where she's at after 36.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
But Annika isn't the one complaining about that it's the feminist groups. To my knowledge she's not aligning herself with them.

Exactly. She's playing because she was invited to this one event.

If she were demanding to be allowed to be on the PGA tour full time, then that would be just as lame as some idiot yahoo redneck demanding to be on the LPGA tour.

Fortunately, that's not the case here.
Although, it sure has been fun seeing people turn it into that.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
PGA tour events are 72 holes. Annika has played 18. No one cares who's leading after 18, let's see where she's at after 36.

We obviously needed to have a thread yesterday predicting her first round score. I'm betting if I had said yesterday she'd shoot what she did most wouldn't have agreed.

She certainly did better than I expected.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
But Annika isn't the one complaining about that it's the feminist groups. To my knowledge she's not aligning herself with them.

Oh, I know she isnt'....and to my knowledge she has never used the womens right card. However, by crossing a line like this it DOES support those groups and still makes the double standard much brighter.


While there is no rule stating women can't participate in a PGA event......everyone felt it was implied:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,378-688179,00.html

Sorenstam, Pernice explained, “hasn’t done anything wrong. Because our regulations are written to where people thought this would never happen”. But he added that “a lot of players disagree with it”.

Looks like they are moving to change the policy which is good....but I can almost promise that once they do there will be a big stink raised by women. Double standard.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I think you're afraid of getting cooties.

??? Not at all. My point was that the women are the ones seperating themselves from the men, not vice versa. ???

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Card Trader
It is a PGA tour event.....if a woman is allowed to play on a tour that has been male only for the past 50+ years why can a man not play in a tournament that was previously womans only?

Because anyone in their right mind realizes that men and women are not physical equals. With that in mind the LPGA gives the women an outlet to play professionally. You might not like it but, the LPGA supports themselves, so it works. If a man is so bent on exerting his masculinity over a bunch of women he has problems. Annika wanted to play against the men because she wanted to raise the level of her competition. If she gets killed, she doesn't belong.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by earthsci
If a man is so bent on exerting his masculinity over a bunch of women he has problems

What if said man just wants to get a paycheck that he currently can't get on the PGA tour? What if said man wants to put food on the table doing the only thing he knows how?

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Card Trader
It is a PGA tour event.....if a woman is allowed to play on a tour that has been male only for the past 50+ years why can a man not play in a tournament that was previously womans only?

We've gone over this already man...the PGA tour is not MALE only, just no women have been good enough to want to attempt to play on it. The PGA has no rules on gender.

The LPGA IS WOMEN ONLY, that's why a man doesn't play on it.

Mike

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
We've gone over this already man...the PGA tour is not MALE only, just no women have been good enough to want to attempt to play on it. The PGA has no rules on gender.

Read the link I posted, because something wasn't specifically spelled out doesn't mean that it isn't the accepted practice. Guess this whole argument will be moot after this tourney if the men do the right thing and push it to be men only.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Card Trader
Read the link I posted, because something wasn't specifically spelled out doesn't mean that it isn't the accepted practice. Guess this whole argument will be moot after this tourney if the men do the right thing and push it to be men only.

How is that the right thing?

Mike

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
How is that the right thing?

Mike

If the women have their own tour why can't the men? How is it the wrong thing?

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Card Trader
What if said man just wants to get a paycheck that he currently can't get on the PGA tour? What if said man wants to put food on the table doing the only thing he knows how?

He was born a man. Many people are born physically stronger than others but, as far as I know, the only dividing line out there to establish who (probably) is physically superior is sex. It isn't a public office and obviously the PGA has a lot less of a problem with it than you do.