OT: Annika

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Card Trader
If the women have their own tour why can't the men? How is it the wrong thing?

They can. Go for it. Start it up.

 

[Lex]

Russ- I thought she'd shoot around level par. She is the most dominant female golfer to come along in 50 years. I really believe she could win EVERY LPGA event she enters.

She's like playing an old guy. Right down the middle, safe, par, par, par. Her first three puts were short, probably nerves. She missed at least 3 easy puts on the first 9 holes, so she could do even better tomorrow.

Problem is, even if she shoots 3 under tomorrow, she still may not make the cut.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by earthsci
They can. Go for it. Start it up.

LOL, you obviously didn't read the link.....the PGA IS in the process of doing this.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by earthsci
It isn't a public office and obviously the PGA has a lot less of a problem with it than you do.

So much less that they are moving for legislation to change the rules? Riiiiiiiiiight. They all love it

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Card Trader
If the women have their own tour why can't the men? How is it the wrong thing?

I never said it was wrong, but how is it right?

And just cause we CAN do it, why should we? Why do you feel so strongly about this?

Mike

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
I never said it was wrong, but how is it right?

Equality.

And just cause we CAN do it, why should we?

Equality

Why do you feel so strongly about this?

Mike

Equality. Isn't that what it's all about?

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Card Trader
Equality.



Equality



Equality. Isn't that what it's all about?

Obviously it is to you...

Mike

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Card Trader
So much less that they are moving for legislation to change the rules? Riiiiiiiiiight. They all love it

Trader,
This will be the last time that I post on this. It's my feeling that men that don't want to compete against women are afraid of the possible outcome.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Obviously it is to you...

Mike

Yup.....tired of double standards.


Can have a Black Miss America, where only black females are allowed in.

Can't have a White Miss America because it isn't politically correct.

Have a Miss America where Black women HAVE to be included.

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Can have a Women's only fitness club

Can't have a mens only golf club

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Can have a BET

Can't have a WET
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There are too many double standards and this is another.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Card Trader
Yup.....tired of double standards.


Can have a Black Miss America, where only black females are allowed in.

Can't have a White Miss America because it isn't politically correct.

Have a Miss America where Black women HAVE to be included.

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Can have a Women's only fitness club

Can't have a mens only golf club

----------

Can have a BET

Can't have a WET
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There are too many double standards and this is another.

Ok, I think I'm missing something here...

So what you're saying is, not all Asians are gay, but all gays are Asian?

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
Ok, I think I'm missing something here...

So what you're saying is, not all Asians are gay, but all gays are Asian?

LOL

 

[Ed B]

It amazes me how violently some men are reacting to this. Are we that insecure in our masculinity? What the f***.

A woman was invited to play the men's PGA. Who. Frickin'. Cares.

Who cares if she wins, who cares if she loses. This is really not a big deal. And some people are acting like a line has been crossed or something that is "ours" has somehow been taken from us by "the feminists".

As far as I can see, letting this woman compete has not changed the ability of the other 1000 male competitiors in the PGA to compete.

And if some male golfer decides to join the LPGA, good for him too. Who cares. The fact that these sort of gender distinctions even still exist is pretty silly. Anyone who is physically able to compete should be allowed to compete. If a WNBA player ever comes along who is good enough to play in the NBA, let her in. And if any male NBA player decides that he wants to go make $20,000 a year to play in the WNBA, so be it.

 

[Ed B]

Card Trader, you make some good points but i think you're getting off topic into a waaaaaaaay broader issue when you bring up things like BET or the Black Miss America or whatever. That's an entirely different set of isues than this Annika thing.

 

[JasonKGME]

Originally posted by Card Trader
It is a PGA tour event.....if a woman is allowed to play on a tour that has been male only for the past 50+ years why can a man not play in a tournament that was previously womans only?

I'll make the same point I did last week. The PGA is a professional sport and should be open to all. The LPGA is an amatuer sport and should be open to all amatuers. So since Annaka played in the colonial I dont think she should be allowed back to play the LPGA, but I do think amatuer men should be allowed to play in the LPGA because Annaka played in the colonial.

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by JasonKGME
I'll make the same point I did last week. The PGA is a professional sport and should be open to all. The LPGA is an amatuer sport and should be open to all amatuers. So since Annaka played in the colonial I dont think she should be allowed back to play the LPGA, but I do think amatuer men should be allowed to play in the LPGA because Annaka played in the colonial.

Annika made over $2million on the LPGA tour last year.......
Only the SEC and Nebraska would still define that as being amateur.

 

[JasonKGME]

Originally posted by Lex
Russ- I thought she'd shoot around level par. She is the most dominant female golfer to come along in 50 years. I really believe she could win EVERY LPGA event she enters.

She's like playing an old guy. Right down the middle, safe, par, par, par. Her first three puts were short, probably nerves. She missed at least 3 easy puts on the first 9 holes, so she could do even better tomorrow.

Problem is, even if she shoots 3 under tomorrow, she still may not make the cut.

As of right now with 1/2 the players in the club house and another 1/4 almost into the club house the cut is at 1 over par, meaning anyone 1 over and under are in as of right now. I expect based on todays #'s and assuming a little improvement that cut will either be even or -1 under. So if she shoots -3 under tommarow brining her to -2 under total she should definitly make the cut. If she shoots a -1 under tommarow she might still make the cut at even, but then again maybe not at that point. If she shoots even or worse then odds are she'll be out.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by JasonKGME
I'll make the same point I did last week. The PGA is a professional sport and should be open to all. The LPGA is an amatuer sport and should be open to all amatuers. So since Annaka played in the colonial I dont think she should be allowed back to play the LPGA, but I do think amatuer men should be allowed to play in the LPGA because Annaka played in the colonial.

Isn't the definition of amateur not for pay? LPGA pays it's players so how is it amateur?

Inferior competition yes but not amateur.

Unless I'm missing something.

 

[JasonKGME]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
Isn't the definition of amateur not for pay? LPGA pays it's players so how is it amateur?

Inferior competition yes but not amateur.

Unless I'm missing something.

Not sure if amatuer is the correct word maybe. I see it like baseball, you have the MLB, AAA, AA, 1-A, 2-A, 3-A etc etc etc. So think of it as the LPGA should be the AAA of golf, you still get paid to play, but not as much as the PGA so your not a major league player, your a minor league player.

 

[Redheart]

I am NOT sexest.

But I would not pay to see her play.

However, I would pay to see her play naked.

It would be even more fun if all the men had to play naked too.

Imagine how difficult it would be to putt with a wood.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by JasonKGME
As of right now with 1/2 the players in the club house and another 1/4 almost into the club house the cut is at 1 over par, meaning anyone 1 over and under are in as of right now. I expect based on todays #'s and assuming a little improvement that cut will either be even or -1 under. So if she shoots -3 under tommarow brining her to -2 under total she should definitly make the cut. If she shoots a -1 under tommarow she might still make the cut at even, but then again maybe not at that point. If she shoots even or worse then odds are she'll be out.

Good info!

How many players actually make the cut?

 

[JasonKGME]

Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Good info!

How many players actually make the cut?

Top 70 players and anyone tied in the top 70 (so if players #64-#88 are tied then the top 88 players make it).

And as of the close of the first round the cut off is now even not 1 over par so as of today Annaka is not making the cut. those players at 1 over are tied for 73rd place

 

[Red Hawk]

Two words

Publicity Stunt

all show no substance.

It accomplished its purpose, tickets and ratings.


PS.

Next thing you know they'll stage a match between female tennis pro and old chain-smoking sports columnist........

 

[jw7]

Originally posted by Ed B

And if some male golfer decides to join the LPGA, good for him too. Who cares.

I hate that argument. It is not a 2-way street at all. The reason the LPGA, Senior PGA, 6' and under basketball leauges, 8-man football, and heck let's throw in youth sports and the special olympics for that matter, exist, is to allow people who ordinarily can't compete at the highest level enjoy the sport and compete on a level playing field. By your argument, I should sign up for pop-warner football and gain 10,000 yards and be league MVP.

Letting a male on the LPGA tour makes it unlevel.

It's different the other way. The PGA, NBA, MLB, etc...offer the highest visibility, the most money, the best opportunity to profit and succeed from your skills. If a woman can compete at the highest level she should not be excluded from that opportunity just because of her sex. It's friggen GOLF! Its not a team sport, you hit the ball and whoever does the best wins.

Annika has proven today she deserves to be there. She may not make the cut, but she outscored Sergio, Lehman and probably 1000s of other men who are just trying to earn their tour card.

 

[jmr667]

Man oh MAN, its gonna be a long offseason.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by jw7
The reason the LPGA, Senior PGA, 6' and under basketball leauges, 8-man football, and heck let's throw in youth sports and the special olympics for that matter, exist, is to allow people who ordinarily can't compete at the highest level enjoy the sport and compete on a level playing field.

You forgot women's tennis, women's hockey, and the WNBA.