OT: Annual Marvin Lewis Should be Fired Thread

[slanidrac16]

What would bother me the most is Hill has had a problem with fumbles, right.

So:
A. Why is he even in the game at that point.
B. Why isn't every player told not to fight for extra yards and protect the ball?

Three things. Go down, protect the ball, and stay in bounds.

The whole fiasco shouldn't have happened because the Steelers shouldn't of had the chance they got. Should have been a 4 point lead and the Steelers should have had about 30 seconds with no time outs.

Somebody on that staff should be fired.

 

[GatorAZ]

What would bother me the most is Hill has had a problem with fumbles, right.

So:
A. Why is he even in the game at that point.
B. Why isn't every player told not to fight for extra yards and protect the ball?

Three things. Go down, protect the ball, and stay in bounds.

The whole fiasco shouldn't have happened because the Steelers shouldn't of had the chance they got. Should have been a 4 point lead and the Steelers should have had about 30 seconds with no time outs.

Somebody on that staff should be fired.

Gio Bernard was injured. Also David Johnson had 1 more fumble in 60 less touches than Hill this year. Are we not giving him the ball with the game on the line?

No risk it, no biscuit.

 

[slanidrac16]

Gio Bernard was injured. Also David Johnson had 1 more fumble in 60 less touches than Hill this year. Are we not giving him the ball with the game on the line?

No risk it, no biscuit.

Jeremy Hill is no David Johnson... I understand your point but Hill was fighting for yardage. Obviously he wasn;t coached up prior to taking the field.

 

[GatorAZ]

Jeremy Hill is no David Johnson... I understand your point but Hill was fighting for yardage. Obviously he wasn;t coached up prior to taking the field.

That's what RB's do... Fight for yards...

 

[slanidrac16]

That's what RB's do... Fight for yards...

Not in that situation. Yards are not important. Time is. Posession is. In fact there is something to be said for just taking a knee. They were already winning.
Three kneel downs would have given them the shot at a FG a 4 pt lead and the Steelers would have been out of time outs.

It's dumb football from an array of people on that team.

 

[GatorAZ]

Not in that situation. Yards are not important. Time is. Posession is. In fact there is something to be said for just taking a knee. They were already winning.
Three kneel downs would have given them the shot at a FG a 4 pt lead and the Steelers would have been out of time outs.

It's dumb football from an array of people on that team.

If Marvin Lewis would've ordered a kneel down with the steelers having 3 timeouts to attempt a 45 yard FG in pouring down rain then I'd be on the bandwagon of him getting fired. No competent HC would ever go that route. One first down and the game is over. One missed FG and the Steelers have good field position needing a FG to win.

Ultimately it's on the player for not protecting the ball and the defense for making a play.

 

[slanidrac16]

If Marvin Lewis would've ordered a kneel down with the steelers having 3 timeouts to attempt a 45 yard FG in pouring down rain then I'd be on the bandwagon of him getting fired. No competent HC would ever go that route. One first down and the game is over. One missed FG and the Steelers have good field position needing a FG to win.

Ultimately it's on the player for not protecting the ball and the defense for making a play.

It's funny, because I was at the bar and said if it were the Cardinals in that situation, Arians would have called a run and then would have passed on second down to try and win the game with a first down because that's who we are.
However, Lewis is not Arians.

And I totally agree the player is where you lay the blame and always the first mistake sets off the chain of events.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is a dumb thread. Who are the Bengals going to get who's better than Lewis?

They could get somebody, sure. But, you have to think about it from the candidates point of view too. Who in the hell is going to get excited about working for an owner that just fired a HC who has five straight playoff appearances (Lord knows, Cardinals fans know how hard it is to do THREE times, much less five!) AND tied the franchise record for all time wins, 12.


Yeah, the only way a change is made is by promoting someone from the inside IMO who could promise to continue the things they are doing well, while fixing the discipline problem. IMHO

 

[GatorAZ]

Coaching for the Bengals is like coaching the Cowboys. The only difference is the owner/GM doesn't hold press conferences after the games. We are truly spoiled to have an owner that lets Keim and Arians do their jobs. For a long time ownership was the reason the Cardinals were a mess. It starts at the top.

 

[ajcardfan]

Not in that situation. Yards are not important. Time is. Posession is. In fact there is something to be said for just taking a knee. They were already winning.
Three kneel downs would have given them the shot at a FG a 4 pt lead and the Steelers would have been out of time outs.

It's dumb football from an array of people on that team.

I also thought of that during the Vikings game today. I believe once you settle on a FG, and forget the TD you actually take away one of your chances to score and win. More chances to win = good.

 

[kerouac9]

For sure... 0-7 in the playoffs(with arguably the most talented roster in football over some of that time) and no control of his team he definitely deserves to come back. Because im sure his coaching DVOA is super stellar.... Haha

Nice non sequitur. Again--whom would the Bengals bring in who's better than Lewis?

Alternately, is Rex Ryan a better coach than Lewis because he's won a f ew playoff games? Is Mike McCarthy?

Jim Harbaugh's not walking through that door.

 

[TRW]

as bad as Mike Brown is as an owner, there's still no team that was run as poorly as Bill's back in the day. 7 straight playoff appearances alone dwarf anything Bow-tie ever did.

Yeah. You are probably right. Hyperbole is my friend

 

[AZfaninMN]

Nice non sequitur. Again--whom would the Bengals bring in who's better than Lewis?



Alternately, is Rex Ryan a better coach than Lewis because he's won a f ew playoff games? Is Mike McCarthy?



Jim Harbaugh's not walking through that door.

Mike McCarthy won a super bowl a couple years ago, but what about Lovie Smith? I don't know why he was let go by TB, but I think he's a better coach than Lewis.


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[Matt L]

Mike McCarthy won a super bowl a couple years ago, but what about Lovie Smith? I don't know why he was let go by TB, but I think he's a better coach than Lewis.


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Why is Lovie a better coach?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why is Lovie a better coach?

he somehow took a Bears team with Rex Grossman to the Super Bowl. That alone makes him a better coach then Lewis. Hell, he got a Jay Cutler lead team to the NFC Title game. That too makes him a better coach.

Dude would probably be a perfect fit up in Bengal land. Maybe not from a scheme-perspective immediately with that D, but he could mold them and already has much better weapons on O then he ever had on those Bears teams.

 

[Shane]

Nice non sequitur. Again--whom would the Bengals bring in who's better than Lewis?

Alternately, is Rex Ryan a better coach than Lewis because he's won a f ew playoff games? Is Mike McCarthy?

Jim Harbaugh's not walking through that door.

Lovie Smith, Tom Coughlin

Would both be better than Marvin Lewis IMO… And there are quite a few young and older talented coaches out there its not my my to find them its the Bengals owner/GM… Marvin Lewis is what he is and if a team is satisfied with 12 years of regular season glory and overall mediocrity then good for them.

0-7 in the playoffs speaks for itself. That is a glaring failure and indictment of the team and its staff from the HC up and down. Something isn't working and should be changed..

 

[Sunburn]

Had Roethlisberger been healthy the game wouldn't have been close.

FTFY

 

[AZfaninMN]

Why is Lovie a better coach?

He's won playoff games and was almost 20 games above 500 with the Bears


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[kerouac9]

Lovie Smith, Tom Coughlin

Would both be better than Marvin Lewis IMO… And there are quite a few young and older talented coaches out there its not my my to find them its the Bengals owner/GM… Marvin Lewis is what he is and if a team is satisfied with 12 years of regular season glory and overall mediocrity then good for them.

0-7 in the playoffs speaks for itself. That is a glaring failure and indictment of the team and its staff from the HC up and down. Something isn't working and should be changed..

Lovie Smith is 2 games over .500 for his career as a head coach.
Marvin Lewis is 18 games over .500. Two games fewer than Coughlin, who hasn't been to the playoffs in 4 years.

I guess you can make an argument that this is a Dungy-Bucs situation where you need a fresh voice to get the additional 5% you need to get over the hump, but bringing in Jon Gruden wasn't really sustainable success for the Bucs, either.

I just don't believe that the Bengals are good/bad enough that they can just move along. This was a historically terrible franchise that Lewis transformed without help from a GM.

 

[cardpa]

Lovie Smith is 2 games over .500 for his career as a head coach.
Marvin Lewis is 18 games over .500. Two games fewer than Coughlin, who hasn't been to the playoffs in 4 years.

I guess you can make an argument that this is a Dungy-Bucs situation where you need a fresh voice to get the additional 5% you need to get over the hump, but bringing in Jon Gruden wasn't really sustainable success for the Bucs, either.

I just don't believe that the Bengals are good/bad enough that they can just move along. This was a historically terrible franchise that Lewis transformed without help from a GM.

I agree with what K9 is saying. What needs to happen is the team Lewis/Brown need to enforce consequences for the actions of the players in a manner that tells the player this is simply not acceptable and we will deal with it if it continues. In Burfict's case they need to strike swiftly and quickly. I have not heard anything that they have done anything with him. The league will but the team also needs to step in and hold him accountable.

 

[Shane]

Bump

 

[Buckybird]

Bump

Jeff Fisher part 2

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Jeff Fisher part 2

Fischer's magic number is 2. If the Rams lose two more times, they are destined for more 8-8 bullpucky.

 

[Shane]

Fischer's magic number is 2. If the Rams lose two more times, they are destined for more 8-8 bullpucky.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Oh but Fischer is right there with Marvin Lewis. At least Lewis makes it to the playoffs.