OT: Bernard Hopkins RIPS Donovan Mcnabb

[Bert]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...McNabb-isn-8217-t-tough-enough?urn=nfl-wp1972

According to Hopkins, McNabb had a privileged childhood in suburban Chicago and, as a result, is not black enough or tough enough, at least compared with, say, himself, Michael Vick and Terrell Owens(notes).
"Forget this," Hopkins said, pointing to his own dark skin. "He's got a suntan. That's all."
Hopkins also implied that, while Vick and Owens remained true to their roots, McNabb did not, and that McNabb was rudely awakened when the Eagles traded him to the Redskins last year.
"Why do you think McNabb felt he was betrayed? Because McNabb is the guy in the house, while everybody else is on the field. He's the one who got the extra coat. The extra servings. 'You're our boy,' " Hopkins said, patting a reporter on the back in illustration. "He thought he was one of them."

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I'm not a big Mcnabb fan either but this is way out of left field. Maybe Hopkins is nervous about the fight this weekend.

Once again we revisit this issue ie. Jalen Rose rips Grant Hill for growing up in a comfortable home with both parents. I just dont understand this stuff, why is someone not "black enough" because their parents were educated and successful?

Maybe it's like that Southpark episode and I just need to accept the fact that I "dont get it".

 

[Monty]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...McNabb-isn-8217-t-tough-enough?urn=nfl-wp1972

According to Hopkins, McNabb had a privileged childhood in suburban Chicago and, as a result, is not black enough or tough enough, at least compared with, say, himself, Michael Vick and Terrell Owens(notes).
"Forget this," Hopkins said, pointing to his own dark skin. "He's got a suntan. That's all."
Hopkins also implied that, while Vick and Owens remained true to their roots, McNabb did not, and that McNabb was rudely awakened when the Eagles traded him to the Redskins last year.
"Why do you think McNabb felt he was betrayed? Because McNabb is the guy in the house, while everybody else is on the field. He's the one who got the extra coat. The extra servings. 'You're our boy,' " Hopkins said, patting a reporter on the back in illustration. "He thought he was one of them."

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I'm not a big Mcnabb fan either but this is way out of left field. Maybe Hopkins is nervous about the fight this weekend.

Once again we revisit this issue ie. Jalen Rose rips Grant Hill for growing up in a comfortable home with both parents. I just dont understand this stuff, why is someone not "black enough" because their parents were educated and successful?

Maybe it's like that Southpark episode and I just need to accept the fact that I "dont get it".

Nope, 'you dont get it'.

 

[Bert]

Nope, 'you dont get it'.

do you?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Apparently Hopkins visited the Eagles locker room one day and McNabb snubbed him. Sour grapes it appears......

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

Who is Bernard Hopkins, what a whiner. Until he does this he can pack sand.

Veterans Stadium was in a state of shock when McNabb went down after a sack by Adrian Wilson and LeVar Woods on the third play of the game.
McNabb did not get up for several minutes and many Eagles fans thought his day was over. Donovan had the most inspirational performance of his career as he played the entire game on a broken leg. McNabb completed 20 of 25 passes for 255 yards and four touchdowns in a 38-14 victory. That game was McNabb’s last of the regular season and proved to the Philadelphia Eagles and their fans that McNabb gives his heart and soul to win every week.

 

[Mulli]

Is Bernard Hopkins in good enough shape to run a two-minute drill?

 

[moklerman]

Let me preface this by saying that I certainly don't get it(being black).

But, as a white man coming from a poor, divorced parents family, I can't really see the rationale behind taking pride in that fact. If I had been given the choice, I certainly would have taken the one that included a mother and father who loved each other, stayed married had financial stability...even success.

And I don't consider those who did have that situation to be "less white".

Very bizarre.

 

[Monty]

do you?

Sorry Bert I was just being sarcastic and carrying on the South Park joke you brought up.

All joking aside I think I actually do sort of understand where Bernard Hopkins is coming from to a certain extent. The point he raises about some black people not being black enough because of their relatively privileged upbringing is nonsense and not really defend-able in my opinion. It is likely to be derived from envy and jealousy more than anything else.

However the tough enough aspect of his argument has some grounding in my opinion. I think it is likely true that those who are brought in tougher conditions with only one parent caring for them have to naturally be tougher to achieve the same standards as those people who have a more privileged upbringing. They will face tougher obstacles and have to be much more resilient in withstanding those in order to make it in anything in life.

So I guess what im saying is that if he means that becuase of McNabb more privileged background he is less likely to be as tough as others who have had come from very poor backgrounds to make it at the same level id have to agree.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Once again we revisit this issue ie. Jalen Rose rips Grant Hill for growing up in a comfortable home with both parents. I just dont understand this stuff, why is someone not "black enough" because their parents were educated and successful?

I had a black friend in college tell me that his black friends from back home would call him and his other black friends "gray" because they went to college and hung out with whites AND blacks.

I always though that was super stupid. But, hey, maybe I don't get it either. Maybe it's not for me to get.

 

[tnmike]

What it is is racial drivel covering up jealousy, that's all. Why do people seem to think that trying to knock somebody down somehow brings them up? It just makes the accuser sink lower than they already were.

 

[Bert]

Sorry Bert I was just being sarcastic and carrying on the South Park joke you brought up.

All joking aside I think I actually do sort of understand where Bernard Hopkins is coming from to a certain extent. The point he raises about some black people not being black enough because of their relatively privileged upbringing is nonsense and not really defend-able in my opinion. It is likely to be derived from envy and jealousy more than anything else.

However the tough enough aspect of his argument has some grounding in my opinion. I think it is likely true that those who are brought in tougher conditions with only one parent caring for them have to naturally be tougher to achieve the same standards as those people who have a more privileged upbringing. They will face tougher obstacles and have to be much more resilient in withstanding those in order to make it in anything in life.

So I guess what im saying is that if he means that becuase of McNabb more privileged background he is less likely to be as tough as others who have had come from very poor backgrounds to make it at the same level id have to agree.

I see what you mean Monty. I guess from a 'toughness' standpoint I could get people throwing that stereotype out there. I'm sure we've all heard one white kid call another white kid 'rich boy' out on the playground or basketball court. I guess it implys the same thing that the other person isn't as tough as you. It's not always true though and it's usually based in jealousy. Cant really say that about Hopkins, he's probably just as wealthy if not more so than Mcnabb.

The thing I dont 'get' though is the racial issue. Why wouldn't all african americans want to see eachother succeed and come from good homes and have the same benefits as everyone else? Denzel Washington was talking about this in an interview I saw once. He said something to the effect that for some reason many black people dont like to see other black people 'make it' and somehow equate it to 'selling out', but that kind of mentality only serves to set back the whole race.

Meh whatever, you're right Monty, I dont get it. lol

 

[Monty]

The thing I dont 'get' though is the racial issue. Why wouldn't all african americans want to see eachother succeed and come from good homes and have the same benefits as everyone else? Denzel Washington was talking about this in an interview I saw once. He said something to the effect that for some reason many black people dont like to see other black people 'make it' and somehow equate it to 'selling out', but that kind of mentality only serves to set back the whole race.

With regards to the racial issue I think white people often fall into this kind of situation. As humans we would generally and naturally wish success to those who deserve but why we would assume that black people would in particular wish more success for other African Americans rather than people in general. Let me switch the table a litte here to illustrate my point a little better. I mean do you really ever think that man im glad Warren Buffet is so successful especially considering he is white. Im guessing you dont and I think to automatically assume that black people are more readily guilty of such nepotism is unfair on them.

You could make an argument that because of the many issues that the black people of america face they are more likely to wish somebody from a similar background to succeed in the face of those obstacles but dont be surprised if such feelings are not widespread. We live in a capitalist world and in that world today most folk are out to make their own success and that often means we are less likely to be ecstatic about the success of others. We wish all others well but dont expect us to have party to celebrate their success sort of thing I suppose

 

[CtCardinals78]

The slavery ananolgies in the NFL have to stop. Comments like that piss fans off and shows the ignorance of the people who say them. Also, the whole point this guy was trying to make is beyond ridiculous. I don't go around to my friends chastising them for not being "white" enough. That line of thinking is stupid and divisive. This is 2011, not 1911.

 

[chickenhead]

Well, I won't be cheering for Hopkins to win the fight--not that I care much about boxing anyway. But seriously, what did McNabb do to become the target that he is? The guy just gets slammed for reasons I definitely don't get.

 

[PoolBoy]

McNabb will always have haters, and he will always shut them up.

 

[Cardiac]

McNabb will always have haters, and he will always shut them up.

If not by his play on the field then by how classy he is. McNabb has taken shots ever since entering the NFL and all he does is shake it off without losing his composure.