OT: Fan Duel/Draft Kings

[Austin Zonie]

Started playing last Monday night for the first time. I like the 50/50 match ups. Odds are much better than the tournament style games they advertise.

 

[Buckybird]

I was in line to win $40+ last week on a $5 bet but AP screwed me over on Monday night.

I had the same exact thing happen to me!

But hey I still finished ahead $20 on the night & bet in 3 different $mall leagues on draft kings

 

[TigToad]

Arizona is denied because we have probably the strictest definition of gambling in the entire country. It's absurd. Anyone who put money on a bracket pool or a private fantasy league is technically breaking the law.

A little story... a few years ago, we had a massive budget crisis. The state cut significant funding to the department that oversees gambling. Casino Arizona agreed to cover the budget deficit out of their pockets.

Seems legit.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I put in 50.00 last year at the beginning and won a total of 668.00

Never put in another dime and cashed out at the end of the year with 275.00

It was fun to play weekly and I won some money…

I love it.. Only started with 25.00 this year and seeing if I can make it the whole year without depositing anymore like last year...

Yeah I played last year by using my dads address in California. Started with $75 and I was playing maybe $15-20 a week. I won some but had a couple of weeks where I didn't win anything and eventually ran out of funds at the end of the season. I loved it though.

Tried to add some funds this year but they closed the loophole and use your CC or Paypal address to determine where your are from now. Stupid Arizona!

 

[Shane]

Yeah I played last year by using my dads address in California. Started with $75 and I was playing maybe $15-20 a week. I won some but had a couple of weeks where I didn't win anything and eventually ran out of funds at the end of the season. I loved it though.

Tried to add some funds this year but they closed the loophole and use your CC or Paypal address to determine where your are from now. Stupid Arizona!

Ill put money in your account

 

[BigRedRage]

Gambling should be legal IMO, I dont need the government to protect me from spending my money on bets.

It is a joke that these sites are not legal here and I have written Mccain and flake about it already.

 

[BigRedRage]

I looked into it just to maybe check it out and play for free (they advertise that) one week. they wanted a credit card or pay pal account and could not find the free games. So I left the site.

dont bother its illegal here.

Otherwise I would be all over it.

 

[Azlen]

Gambling should be legal IMO, I dont need the government to protect me from spending my money on bets.

It is a joke that these sites are not legal here and I have written Mccain and flake about it already.

The issue isn't at the federal level, it's at the state level. I posted an article upthread that talked about a Republican legislator's desire to legalize it in Arizona awhile back. Indian gaming proponents came out against it and it never got anywhere. You would be better off writing Ducey and your state senator and representatives about it.

 

[BigRedRage]

The issue isn't at the federal level, it's at the state level. I posted an article upthread that talked about a Republican legislator's desire to legalize it in Arizona awhile back. Indian gaming proponents came out against it and it never got anywhere. You would be better off writing Ducey and your state senator and representatives about it.

It is currently a state level issue yes however the feds are now looking at these websites as something that they might want to shut down like they did online poker.

 

[Azlen]

It is currently a state level issue yes however the feds are now looking at these websites as something that they might want to shut down like they did online poker.

Did Sheldon Adelson write another big check?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Gambling should be legal IMO, I dont need the government to protect me from spending my money on bets.

It is a joke that these sites are not legal here and I have written Mccain and flake about it already.

100% agree.

 

[Russ Smith]

I put in 50.00 last year at the beginning and won a total of 668.00

Never put in another dime and cashed out at the end of the year with 275.00

It was fun to play weekly and I won some money…

I love it.. Only started with 25.00 this year and seeing if I can make it the whole year without depositing anymore like last year...

IMO that's the way to do it. it's like a credit card, as long as you pay the bill off so you never get interest charges credit cards are awesome.

In this case as long as you have a limit and stick to that limit, you're ok. The reality is most people don't, most people chase after their losses and as someone else said, a very small minority of people are winning big money from a very large pool of people who are losing.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Thanks for all the info guys. Pretty interesting stuff. Doesn't surprise me that Native American casinos are heavily involved to block it. There are several of them here in Albuquerque but I have no idea if they're involved with the legislature to try to stop it here.

I don't spend any time in casinos to gamble but I do have to go in them occiosionally for my business. I'm always amazed at the amount of people in them.

Thanks again.

 

[Southpaw]

Did Sheldon Adelson write another big check?

Probably, but the question is what side is he on. Promote or abort?

 

[Cardsfanstl]

dont bother its illegal here.

Otherwise I would be all over it.

I live in St. Louis.

 

[Scott MS]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s-supporters-hope-see-game-legalized/7076827/

Fantasy competitions are increasingly ubiquitous activities for stat-crunching fans who want to own and manage their own dream teams of baseball players, football stars or even members of Congress.

What many Arizonans may not know, however, is that their state is among a handful where fantasy sports are technically illegal, posing potential legal risks for players and making them ineligible to win prizes.

"I thought, that's almost embarrassing,"Senate Majority Whip Adam Driggs, R-Phoenix, said at a hearing on Senate Bill 1468, which he sponsored to define fantasy sports in state law.

Despite Driggs' efforts to make fantasy competitions legal, the bill was killed in the Senate by opposition from *Native American gaming *proponents. Driggs said the issue is dead for the legislative season.

"I might try to see if there is any way to resolve some of the issues going forward," Driggs said Friday.

Driggs' bill intended to set fantasy sports apart from gambling and outline what would be considered a fantasy sport under state law.

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Thanks for the post. This is somewhat ridiculous because anybody who lives in the Valley can clearly see the most successful businesses in town are the casinos. Why continue to provide so much protection to these cash cows? The people playing fantasy sports are NOT the same people driving to Casino Arizona on a Saturday night. Fantasy players are smart enough to realize the odds.

 

[BigRedRage]

I live in St. Louis.

Yeah i realized after posting that I was probably commenting to people not in AZ

I was just passing time and not even paying attention to who I was quoting

 

[Azlen]

Probably, but the question is what side is he on. Promote or abort?

He is strongly against internet gambling and many believe that it was his influence that got internet poker shut down.

 

[Shaggy]

These site's will be shut down just as the poker sites were. I have a feeling that they know this and are pushing their media blitz to get the most money they can before they are. I would love to occasionally play on theses sites but of course I can't living in AZ.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

These site's will be shut down just as the poker sites were. I have a feeling that they know this and are pushing their media blitz to get the most money they can before they are. I would love to occasionally play on theses sites but of course I can't living in AZ.

I will bet you that they don't. The justice dept. came back after they shut them down and said that it didn't violate the Gambling Wire Act as they considered poker a game of skill vs chance.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I used to at least watch the Cards live....now that's impossible.

DVR only from here on out.
I wish I could go 12 plus hours without getting a spoiler....the shortcut games are the shiz

 

[Shaggy]

I will bet you that they don't. The justice dept. came back after they shut them down and said that it didn't violate the Gambling Wire Act as they considered poker a game of skill vs chance.

I feel that fantasy football is all chance. You have no idea how a play is going to do and also how your opponents players will be doing. Its all chance.

 

[Azlen]

I feel that fantasy football is all chance. You have no idea how a play is going to do and also how your opponents players will be doing. Its all chance.

While I think there is chance involved, I don't think it's anywhere close to all chance. For example, let's say that you wanted to pick a RB who would gain the most yards in a week. I would bet that someone who knows what they are doing could pick someone who would perform better than an average RB selected a vast majority of the time. Taking that to a season long league, if you had a team who took a random player for each pick, there would be an incredibly high probability of that team finishing with the worst record. It definitely isn't all chance.

 

[Shaggy]

While I think there is chance involved, I don't think it's anywhere close to all chance. For example, let's say that you wanted to pick a RB who would gain the most yards in a week. I would bet that someone who knows what they are doing could pick someone who would perform better than an average RB selected a vast majority of the time. Taking that to a season long league, if you had a team who took a random player for each pick, there would be an incredibly high probability of that team finishing with the worst record. It definitely isn't all chance.

I lost 4 out of 5 games last week due to the guys I played getting more points then. I could have beat several other teams if I was playing them that same week and would have been 5 for 5. Yet I was randomly placed in playing those teams and lost. That's chance, not skill.

Ok, I will say there is some skill on who you think will do well against a given team, but its more a chance game then skilled one.

Now poker is more skilled then chance as you start to play the player with bluffing, or know the % of winning that hand after seeing what was dealt. You still can control the out come when the game is going. Fantasy you can't.

 

[Azlen]

I lost 4 out of 5 games last week due to the guys I played getting more points then. I could have beat several other teams if I was playing them that same week and would have been 5 for 5. Yet I was randomly placed in playing those teams and lost. That's chance, not skill.

Ok, I will say there is some skill on who you think will do well against a given team, but its more a chance game then skilled one.

Now poker is more skilled then chance as you start to play the player with bluffing, or know the % of winning that hand after seeing what was dealt. You still can control the out come when the game is going. Fantasy you can't.

That's a chance component but that doesn't make it all chance. You still had to have skill in drafting your team because you didn't choose your teams based on random selection. When you are in a league and everyone's skill level is very similar, then the chance component will have a greater impact then if that wasn't the case.