OT: Kyler Murray Heisman Award Acceptance Speech

[cardsfanmd]

What does a scripted speech have to do with a job interview? And how does that matter in relation to being horrible on the white board?

How did Charlie Casserly’s word become gold all of the sudden?

 

[Vacard]

Don't measure by a picture. Pictures are deceiving. Placements change size.The closer to the camera the larger one will look. Murray is farther back from both Haskins and Tua. IMO he no doubt is short but the picture makes it look worse than what it is.

Was just about to say something like this. The cameraman also appears to be squatting as well. ITS very obvious that the camera is is being taken from a low angle and looking up.

 

[az jam]

Was just about to say something like this. The cameraman also appears to be squatting as well. ITS very obvious that the camera is is being taken from a low angle and looking up.

Yeah you are right, it is looking up. Makes if even more distorted.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You know what I gathered from this? That the guy in the middle outplayed the other two.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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Secret footage of Kyler Murray from mid February.

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[Crimson Warrior]

Secret footage of Kyler Murray from mid February.

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LOL...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

How did Charlie Casserly’s word become gold all of the sudden?

He asked 2 good questions. How is a scripted speech being compared to a job interview and whiteboard questions. To me, it shows he can deliver, when prepared, but maybe struggles when put on the spot ..maybe lacks improvisation.

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[cardsfanmd]

Pain in the butt?

Yes, I am.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Yes, I am.

Well, you could also look at it this way...Casserly has run multiple NFL franchises...what have most of most of the media types, hyping Murray done? Some have played, some have coached...most haven't done a damn thing in the NFL. They are just talking heads, reading teleprompters, scripted with words that their producers write up for them. They all have an agenda...to promote stories and get eyeballs on their stations.



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[cardsfanmd]

Well, you could also look at it this way...Casserly has run multiple NFL franchises...what have most of most of the media types, hyping Murray done? Some have played, some have coached...most haven't done a damn thing in the NFL. They are just talking heads, reading teleprompters, scripted with words that their producers write up for them. They all have an agenda...to promote stories and get eyeballs on their stations.



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This is a valid point, though I wasn’t speaking of them. More or less looking at what everyone who’s actually played with or coached him has to say coupled with the obvious tremendous success he’s had both on the field and in the classroom. I have a hard time believing that a guy who was able to win a Heisman while keeping his grades high enough to be an academic All Big 12 has terrible study habits.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

This is a valid point, though I wasn’t speaking of them. More or less looking at what everyone who’s actually played with or coached him has to say coupled with the obvious tremendous success he’s had both on the field and in the classroom. I have a hard time believing that a guy who was able to win a Heisman while keeping his grades high enough to be an academic All Big 12 has terrible study habits.

Well, his study habits may be fine...when he can study and prepare, he's ok...but maybe when caught off guard, he struggles with decision making. Maybe that's where he failed in interviews and breaking down defenses on white boards...they threw things at him he wasn't expecting...and he didn't adjust accordingly.

Kinda like that DP interview...for some reason, he wasn't prepared for those football/baseball questions and he looked really bad and awkward. It's kinda mystifying, really.



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[Jetstream Green]

There is no proof of leadership or character in a prepared speech (see, politicians), that only comes through when you are in the huddle or dealing with other players during an actual game but according to everyone who knows Murray at Oklahoma, reports from the Cardinals' own interview and other teams' opinions, Casserly is talking out of his arse

 

[Crimson Warrior]

This is a valid point, though I wasn’t speaking of them. More or less looking at what everyone who’s actually played with or coached him has to say coupled with the obvious tremendous success he’s had both on the field and in the classroom. I have a hard time believing that a guy who was able to win a Heisman while keeping his grades high enough to be an academic All Big 12 has terrible study habits.

I think that you're debating this a little on the principal of the issue cardsfanmd (to prevent unnecessarily tarnishing another human being's image), and not necessarily because your a big Murray fan. And I thank for that.

But I think its a futile effort on your part however, because the other side of this debate sees drafting Murray as a doomsday scenario. The end justifies their means.

Look, as you've already mentioned, Murray posted a 199.2 QB rating through 14 games this year, won a conference championship, rushed for over a 1000 yards, and stayed perfectly healthy all season.

Would he have been able to do all of this if, on the playing field, he was a "poor decision maker", or "bad at improvising"? No.

But thanks again. Let's just hope SK pulls the right string on 04/25 (whatever that may be).

 

[DRM08]

Well, his study habits may be fine...when he can study and prepare, he's ok...but maybe when caught off guard, he struggles with decision making. Maybe that's where he failed in interviews and breaking down defenses on white boards...they threw things at him he wasn't expecting...and he didn't adjust accordingly.

Kinda like that DP interview...for some reason, he wasn't prepared for those football/baseball questions and he looked really bad and awkward. It's kinda mystifying, really.

Or maybe he just half-assed the interviews because he thinks those teams are wasting his time (Lions with Stafford for example). It's very possible if he is not drafted in the Top 15, he will go play baseball instead. He is fortunate enough to have that option available to him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think that you're debating this a little on the principal of the issue cardsfanmd (to prevent unnecessarily tarnishing another human being's image), and not necessarily because your a big Murray fan. And I thank for that.

But I think its a futile effort on your part however, because the other side of this debate sees drafting Murray as a doomsday scenario. The end justifies their means.

Look, as you've already mentioned, Murray posted a 199.2 QB rating through 14 games this year, won a conference championship, rushed for over a 1000 yards, and stayed perfectly healthy all season.

Would he have been able to do all of this if, on the playing field, he was a "poor decision maker", or "bad at improvising"? No.

But thanks again. Let's just hope SK pulls the right string on 04/25 (whatever that may be).

Do you Josh Rosen can be a good NFL QB?

And what are the chances that a running QB wins an NFL title as a team centerpiece?

And you have ignored this but Murray actually ran more last year than Vick ever did in college, so he is in fact a running QB.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Or maybe he just half-assed the interviews because he thinks those teams are wasting his time (Lions with Stafford for example). It's very possible if he is not drafted in the Top 15, he will go play baseball instead. He is fortunate enough to have that option available to him.

Well, if that's the case, stay far far away from him. If he can't take the opportunity of a lifetime seriously, then pass.



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[BW52]

I think that you're debating this a little on the principal of the issue cardsfanmd (to prevent unnecessarily tarnishing another human being's image), and not necessarily because your a big Murray fan. And I thank for that.

But I think its a futile effort on your part however, because the other side of this debate sees drafting Murray as a doomsday scenario. The end justifies their means.

Look, as you've already mentioned, Murray posted a 199.2 QB rating through 14 games this year, won a conference championship, rushed for over a 1000 yards, and stayed perfectly healthy all season.

Would he have been able to do all of this if, on the playing field, he was a "poor decision maker", or "bad at improvising"? No.

But thanks again. Let's just hope SK pulls the right string on 04/25 (whatever that may be).

CW- these issues come up every year to several draft prospects (last year it was Lamar Jackson who was the whipping boy).Stats can be used as examples of being good decision making or improvising but they don`t tell the whole story do they?The Murray fans refuse to acknowledge the fact that Murray has some issues (height,weight,bulk,running QB ,one year starter,etc).All those issues will be rehashed daily by Coaches,scouts etc.The only ones besides Murray fans who simply gloss over his warts are mostly Media talking heads who love the frenzy that they help createbecause it draws more attention to them.The NFL loves it because it draws more people to paying more than casual attention to the draft.

 

[overseascardfan]

Wolf thinks Mayock could be behind this having worked with Casserly in attempt to drive down interest and price of trading up to #1. Wolf just being silly. I do question Murray’s X & O IQ basically being a 1 year starter in Lincoln Riley’s offense.

 

[DRM08]

Well, if that's the case, stay far far away from him. If he can't take the opportunity of a lifetime seriously, then pass.

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He definitely has some entitlement issues. Supposedly treated his coaches like crap in high school. Chewed them out on the sidelines. That is what I heard when Tech was trying to recruit him.

I don't believe he did those kind of shenanigans to Sumlin at A&M or Riley at Oklahoma, but I think he believed he was bigger than the Allen High School program. Maybe he was. They won 3 straight titles with him.

The worst adversity he has faced was the failure to stay and succeed at A&M. You have to give him credit for going to Oklahoma and showing good patience. It worked out pretty great for him in the end. Who knows how much those entitlement issues still exist. Surely he has gained at least some perspective after the struggles he had at A&M, but you never know.

 

[BW52]

He definitely has some entitlement issues. Supposedly treated his coaches like crap in high school. Chewed them out on the sidelines. That is what I heard when Tech was trying to recruit him.

I don't believe he did those kind of shenanigans to Sumlin at A&M or Riley at Oklahoma, but I think he believed he was bigger than the Allen High School program. Maybe he was. They won 3 straight titles with him.

The worst adversity he has faced was the failure to stay and succeed at A&M. You have to give him credit for going to Oklahoma and showing good patience. It worked out pretty great for him in the end. Who knows how much those entitlement issues still exist. Surely he has gained at least some perspective after the struggles he had at A&M, but you never know.

Short guy syndrome.

 

[Southpaw]

This is a valid point, though I wasn’t speaking of them. More or less looking at what everyone who’s actually played with or coached him has to say coupled with the obvious tremendous success he’s had both on the field and in the classroom. I have a hard time believing that a guy who was able to win a Heisman while keeping his grades high enough to be an academic All Big 12 has terrible study habits.

Coaches and teammates do not go negative on their own guy. Lincoln Riley has everything to gain by rationalizing Murray when asked. The last coach I heard go negative on his own player was Brian Kelly @ Notre Dame when asked about Deshone Kizer coming out early and he was hung from the rafters for doing so.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Coaches and teammates do not go negative on their own. Lincoln Riley has everything to gain by rationalizing Murray when asked. The last coach I heard go negative on his own player was Brian Kelly @ Notre Dame when asked about Deshone Kizer coming out early and he was hung from the rafters for doing so.

But he was also correct...

 

[Southpaw]

Well, his study habits may be fine...when he can study and prepare, he's ok...but maybe when caught off guard, he struggles with decision making. Maybe that's where he failed in interviews and breaking down defenses on white boards...they threw things at him he wasn't expecting...and he didn't adjust accordingly.

Kinda like that DP interview...for some reason, he wasn't prepared for those football/baseball questions and he looked really bad and awkward. It's kinda mystifying, really.



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and the evaluators were aware of his bad session on the DP interview. That is fact. Once they saw the flaw, why wouldn't they go at him and see if this was a one time gaffe or an indicator of his "problem"?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

There is no proof of leadership or character in a prepared speech (see, politicians), that only comes through when you are in the huddle or dealing with other players during an actual game but according to everyone who knows Murray at Oklahoma, reports from the Cardinals' own interview and other teams' opinions, Casserly is talking out of his arse

The Cards have every incentive to keep heaping the praise on Murray, though...It's in their best interest, if they pick him or want to trade the pick...either way.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

and the evaluators were aware of his bad session on the DP interview. That is fact. Once they saw the flaw, why wouldn't they go at him and see if this was a one time gaffe or an indicator of his "problem"?

Maybe that's what some teams did, during the interview process...and these are the sources of Casserley's comments...