OT: Lamar Jackson

[Brian in Mesa]

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[Brian in Mesa]

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[unseenaz]

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well hallelujah

 

[Arz101]

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WOW!

 

[juza76]

didnt interview very well
jurecky should be out of job for a long time

 

[gbrim21]

I don't understand the Jackson love. He's a worse RGIII, what am I missing? Lower completion percentage, lower yards per attempt, higher INT rate. I watched both and thought RGIII was a better player. Cam Newton broke the mold of the successful QB who is a below avg passer but great runner. Difference is he's huge and his body will hold up. Gave him time to develop as a passer. Lamar Jackson will be exciting until a LB blows him up. Are we hoping he turns into a good passer, or are we banking on his running ability? If running, I see a similar career arc to RGIII: comes out of the gates hot, 2-3 years into his career he starts waking up forgetting what his name is.

His wonderlic was atrocious and his combine interviews were caca. If we draft him I'll cheer for him, but Id say he has less than a 10% chance of being a franchise guy for years to come. Tons of red flags with this guy. I'm guessing we are talking ourselves into him ahead of time because thats who may be available at 15.

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[dreamcastrocks]

I don't understand the Jackson love. He's a worse RGIII, what am I missing? Lower completion percentage, lower yards per attempt, higher INT rate. I watched both and thought RGIII was a better player. Cam Newton broke the mold of the successful QB who is a below avg passer but great runner. Difference is he's huge and his body will hold up. Gave him time to develop as a passer. Lamar Jackson will be exciting until a LB blows him up. Are we hoping he turns into a good passer, or are we banking on his running ability? If running, I see a similar career arc to RGIII: comes out of the gates hot, 2-3 years into his career he starts waking up forgetting what his name is.

His wonderlic was atrocious and his combine interviews were caca. If we draft him I'll cheer for him, but Id say he has less than a 10% chance of being a franchise guy for years to come. Tons of red flags with this guy. I'm guessing we are talking ourselves into him ahead of time because thats who may be available at 15.

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Vick more than Newton broke the mold.

I see a lot more DeShawn Watson in Lamar than RGIII. Watson's Wonderlic was only 20 or so IIRC. We have been starved for a franchise caliber QB the longest time. You usually don't make a mistake when you draft the best athlete in the draft.

 

[Arz101]

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I don't understand the Jackson love. He's a worse RGIII, what am I missing? Lower completion percentage, lower yards per attempt, higher INT rate. I watched both and thought RGIII was a better player. Cam Newton broke the mold of the successful QB who is a below avg passer but great runner. Difference is he's huge and his body will hold up. Gave him time to develop as a passer. Lamar Jackson will be exciting until a LB blows him up. Are we hoping he turns into a good passer, or are we banking on his running ability? If running, I see a similar career arc to RGIII: comes out of the gates hot, 2-3 years into his career he starts waking up forgetting what his name is.

His wonderlic was atrocious and his combine interviews were caca. If we draft him I'll cheer for him, but Id say he has less than a 10% chance of being a franchise guy for years to come. Tons of red flags with this guy. I'm guessing we are talking ourselves into him ahead of time because thats who may be available at 15.

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Lamar Jackson is Hasson Reddick of this draft.

 

[Buckybird]

didnt interview very well
jurecky should be out of job for a long time

It’s true, I read & heard from other NFL insiders during the process.

I have a source whom I’ve gotten to know who is connected to the team (not MJ) who told me last night the Cards aren’t high on Jackson! But he also said who knows because everyone lies.

 

[overseascardfan]

I like Jackson and feel with the right coaching he can be a game breaker at QB. But I could see how GMs can be turned off if he doesn’t respond to them in a timely manner or has them waiting to be called back.

 

[juza76]

It’s true, I read & heard from other NFL insiders during the process.

I have a source whom I’ve gotten to know who is connected to the team (not MJ) who told me last night the Cards aren’t high on Jackson! But he also said who knows because everyone lies.

Yes
Lies, I dont think an interview of a talented 21 years old should compromise his chances
From what we heard jackson is a good young man, doesnt have any character issues, is willing to learn and humble
I think its just a strategy...didnt hear any preclusion by somers or others
Another point, he didnt hire an agent and that is the reason he was unprepared for the interview process

 

[WisconsinCard]

I can see it now, like a reoccurring bad dream. Mayfield or Rosen slides but we do nothing to trade up a few spots while another team seizes the day. We are at fifteen and Lamar Jackson is there but we pass on him. Then we attempt to trade up in the first for Rudolph but a team with the pick uses it on him. We then stay pat in the second thinking Lauletta will slide but is drafted a few spots before we can pick. We then draft the Allen kid out of Houston in the fourth round who ends up on our practice squad for a year, is cut, acquired for one game which he blows, and then is out of the league while we say next year's draft is the solution but Glennon could finally see the light but then when reality hits we sign Captain Check Down Part Deux Luke Falk on waivers... oh goody

Cloudy in Texas today?

 

[Buckybird]

Cloudy in Texas today?

Hell Jet may not be too far off, considering Keim pee’s his pants at the thought of drafting a QB especially high

 

[Jetstream Green]

Hell Jet may not be too far off, considering Keim pee’s his pants at the thought of drafting a QB especially high

It's going to be as humid as Houston, TX on draft day with multiple reports of warm showers in the Cardinal draft room... Michael might even force Keim to buy an economy pack of Depends when he demands he drafts one lol

 

[Ronin]

Tom Coughlin, Dave Caldwell lavish praise on Lamar Jackson
“I think he’s an outstanding young man,” Jaguars executive V.P. of football operations Tom Coughlin said Friday during a pre-draft press conference, via Phillip Heilman of the Florida Times-Union. “I think he’s an extremely talented athlete.”

G.M. Dave Caldwell echoed Coughlin.

“He’s a rare athlete,” Caldwell said. “As a quarterback, he’s a good player. He won a lot of games at that position. [Drafting him] depends what your scheme is, what you want to do and how you want to play and how he fits. I can’t say he’s the prototypical pocket passer, but you can win games with a guy like him.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...lavish-praise-on-lamar-jackson/?sf187479549=1

 

[overseascardfan]

No QB in this year's draft has Jackson's mobility or explosiveness. He has been working on his QB skills reportedly this offseason, he is going to sit his rookie year so if he can get an OC or QB coach that knows how to develop him he will be the best QB in this draft IMO barring injuries. I think he can be better than pre-injury Bridgewater.

 

[HoodieBets]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...lavish-praise-on-lamar-jackson/?sf187479549=1

Notice how he didn’t say he’s a good quarterback. He said he was a good athlete. Two very different things.


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[oaken1]

I don't understand the Jackson love. He's a worse RGIII, what am I missing? Lower completion percentage, lower yards per attempt, higher INT rate. I watched both and thought RGIII was a better player. Cam Newton broke the mold of the successful QB who is a below avg passer but great runner. Difference is he's huge and his body will hold up. Gave him time to develop as a passer. Lamar Jackson will be exciting until a LB blows him up. Are we hoping he turns into a good passer, or are we banking on his running ability? If running, I see a similar career arc to RGIII: comes out of the gates hot, 2-3 years into his career he starts waking up forgetting what his name is.

His wonderlic was atrocious and his combine interviews were caca. If we draft him I'll cheer for him, but Id say he has less than a 10% chance of being a franchise guy for years to come. Tons of red flags with this guy. I'm guessing we are talking ourselves into him ahead of time because thats who may be available at 15.

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Jackson is a better passer than he gets credit for. his WR's dropped 12% of his passes,... that is an amazingly high rate.

also, when you look at the tape, you will notice his downfield accuracy is sloppy when he throws without setting his base under himself... but when he sets up and has a wider base his deep balls are nails... it is an easily coachable fix.... it is not a stretch to believe that if Jackson had gone to a bigger school with better WR and coaching he could be sitting there with 65-70% completions...
I agree on his frame though...injury is a serious risk. he needs to be taught to be a pocket passer who scrambles and not a running QB.... look at guys like R wilson or A Rodgers... they run a lot behind the line of scrimmage... but their primary goal is to find an open passing lane.... Jackson needs to be taught to do that, and only run down field when he has too....and then, be angling towards the sidelines rather than running the middle of the field.

he can have a long career...Plummer and Montana were both smaller than Jackson and didnt get mauled... he just needs to adjust his game

 

[Jetstream Green]

Jackson is a better passer than he gets credit for. his WR's dropped 12% of his passes,... that is an amazingly high rate.

also, when you look at the tape, you will notice his downfield accuracy is sloppy when he throws without setting his base under himself... but when he sets up and has a wider base his deep balls are nails... it is an easily coachable fix.... it is not a stretch to believe that if Jackson had gone to a bigger school with better WR and coaching he could be sitting there with 65-70% completions...
I agree on his frame though...injury is a serious risk. he needs to be taught to be a pocket passer who scrambles and not a running QB.... look at guys like R wilson or A Rodgers... they run a lot behind the line of scrimmage... but their primary goal is to find an open passing lane.... Jackson needs to be taught to do that, and only run down field when he has too....and then, be angling towards the sidelines rather than running the middle of the field.

he can have a long career...Plummer and Montana were both smaller than Jackson and didnt get mauled... he just needs to adjust his game

Jackson is a slasher when he runs and he has as much chance of getting hurt as a WR, so that does not concern me at all. If this was ten years ago, I would not touch him with a ten foot pole... but this is the new college lax NFL, where he can run for miles and the defense is at a huge disadvantage being able to practice proper form tackle on him due to new rules

 

[oaken1]

Jackson is a slasher when he runs and he has as much chance of getting hurt as a WR, so that does not concern me at all. If this was ten years ago, I would not touch him with a ten foot pole... but this is the new college lax NFL, where he can run for miles and the defense is at a huge disadvantage being able to practice proper form tackle on him due to new rules

true. But his running style can embarrass guys. while it looks good on tape it does not sit well with the offended player. That can cause said player to then......stretch... the rules the next time he sees an opportunity for a hit.
I know this, because it is exactly why I used to body slam Jeff Garcia...shifty little steaknugget was hard to catch and it really pissed me off, so when I caught him I jacked him up

 

[gbrim21]

Jackson is a better passer than he gets credit for. his WR's dropped 12% of his passes,... that is an amazingly high rate.

also, when you look at the tape, you will notice his downfield accuracy is sloppy when he throws without setting his base under himself... but when he sets up and has a wider base his deep balls are nails... it is an easily coachable fix.... it is not a stretch to believe that if Jackson had gone to a bigger school with better WR and coaching he could be sitting there with 65-70% completions...
I agree on his frame though...injury is a serious risk. he needs to be taught to be a pocket passer who scrambles and not a running QB.... look at guys like R wilson or A Rodgers... they run a lot behind the line of scrimmage... but their primary goal is to find an open passing lane.... Jackson needs to be taught to do that, and only run down field when he has too....and then, be angling towards the sidelines rather than running the middle of the field.

he can have a long career...Plummer and Montana were both smaller than Jackson and didnt get mauled... he just needs to adjust his game

I guess man, that sounds like a lot of variables to me. If he can learn to set his base, if he can learn to be a pass-first QB...sounds a lot like if he can learn to be an NFL QB. And Wilson and Rodgers were light years ahead of him as a passer coming out of college. All those things you said he needs to improve are things all NFL QB's are coached to do. Just takes a ton of work to actually get there, and most don't.


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[Gandhi]

I have to admit that I am becoming more interested with Jackson. I still wouldn’t select him in the first round, but I have bumped him up a round in my rankings to the middle of the second round. One of the reasons I don’t want him in the first round is that I think he could very well be injured all the time due to the much bigger, faster and more hard-hitting defenders in the NFL. I should add that I still don’t necessarily want Jackson on the Cardinals either, but I do think he is a fascinating player and that he would bring some interesting traits to the team that selects him.

He has a very low-key personality, so he most likely won’t do anything stupid to hurt the organization. He got that from his mom who has tried to shield him from the exposure of the media and the fans both in high school and in college. Nobody really knows his story other than some things that was more or less impossible to hide. Apparently he doesn’t even like to be interviewed. A teammate in high school said a couple of years ago that Jackson didn’t try drugs, he didn’t get involved in any kind of violence or public unrest, he didn’t even go to parties. He went home, and when he wasn’t home he usually did something football related. Now, my favorite quarterback in this class is Josh Rosen, so it’s not like I necessarily likes Jackson’s personality more than the average quarterback. I just think it’s fascinating that a young man and superstar quarterback handles himself like that.

By all accounts, he is a great leader no matter how his demeanor off the field is. His teammates seem to love him and are willing to walk through fire for him.

On the field, I think he has a very good pocket presence, which is one of the absolute most important traits in a quarterback prospect in my eyes. Jackson has very advanced moving skills in the pocket. Forget the running ability. To me, his ability in the pocket is much more important. He might be a bit prone to leaving the pocket too soon, but that is something that can be coached up. Jackson routinely goes through most, if not all, of his progressions before deciding on a receiver.

Louisville and head coach Bobby Petrino utilizes the so-called Erhardt-Perkins System. It is a pro style system that uses one or two words to describe a play rather than the lengthy codes we typically hear about, and it is a system that suits up tempo-offenses well. It does, however, put a lot on the quarterback’s shoulders from a mentally standpoint. Multiple NFL teams runs the system.

In the NFL you could argue that Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson are the only quarterbacks that can consistently improvise outside of a scheme and thus make something out of nothing. If Jackson develops properly, I do think he could be that type of playmaker. If Sam Bradford can play an entire season so that Jackson can sit on the bench and learn while he also gets his body ready to play, I think that he could potentially become a very good starting quarterback. He just has to become more accurate, which might be possible to correct with better foot work, and learn not to run that often.

 

[BW52]

I have to admit that I am becoming more interested with Jackson. I still wouldn’t select him in the first round, but I have bumped him up a round in my rankings to the middle of the second round. One of the reasons I don’t want him in the first round is that I think he could very well be injured all the time due to the much bigger, faster and more hard-hitting defenders in the NFL. I should add that I still don’t necessarily want Jackson on the Cardinals either, but I do think he is a fascinating player and that he would bring some interesting traits to the team that selects him.

He has a very low-key personality, so he most likely won’t do anything stupid to hurt the organization. He got that from his mom who has tried to shield him from the exposure of the media and the fans both in high school and in college. Nobody really knows his story other than some things that was more or less impossible to hide. Apparently he doesn’t even like to be interviewed. A teammate in high school said a couple of years ago that Jackson didn’t try drugs, he didn’t get involved in any kind of violence or public unrest, he didn’t even go to parties. He went home, and when he wasn’t home he usually did something football related. Now, my favorite quarterback in this class is Josh Rosen, so it’s not like I necessarily likes Jackson’s personality more than the average quarterback. I just think it’s fascinating that a young man and superstar quarterback handles himself like that.

By all accounts, he is a great leader no matter how his demeanor off the field is. His teammates seem to love him and are willing to walk through fire for him.

On the field, I think he has a very good pocket presence, which is one of the absolute most important traits in a quarterback prospect in my eyes. Jackson has very advanced moving skills in the pocket. Forget the running ability. To me, his ability in the pocket is much more important. He might be a bit prone to leaving the pocket too soon, but that is something that can be coached up. Jackson routinely goes through most, if not all, of his progressions before deciding on a receiver.

Louisville and head coach Bobby Petrino utilizes the so-called Erhardt-Perkins System. It is a pro style system that uses one or two words to describe a play rather than the lengthy codes we typically hear about, and it is a system that suits up tempo-offenses well. It does, however, put a lot on the quarterback’s shoulders from a mentally standpoint. Multiple NFL teams runs the system.

In the NFL you could argue that Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson are the only quarterbacks that can consistently improvise outside of a scheme and thus make something out of nothing. If Jackson develops properly, I do think he could be that type of playmaker. If Sam Bradford can play an entire season so that Jackson can sit on the bench and learn while he also gets his body ready to play, I think that he could potentially become a very good starting quarterback. He just has to become more accurate, which might be possible to correct with better foot work, and learn not to run that often.

I as everyone knows i am a big Jackson fan.The kid is light years ahead of what he was when he first played at Louisville.He has shown much improvement over 3 years in the pocket and i see no reason why he can`t continue to improve with NFL coaching.He has done this improvement at the same time as the offensive talent around him has decreased every year.He has been forced to carry almost all the load.His receivers dropped a incredible amount of passes and his constant running of his life did not help his accuracy.He has a strong arm and when his technique is worked and corrected his accuracy should improve and in a situation where he doesn`t have to be the top ground gainer AND main offensive threat nearly every play he should thrive.
He is not instant starter ready ( Darnold and Rosen probably are closest) neither is Josh Allen and i have doubts about mayfields game translating to the NFl with a lot of success.Will the Cards pull the trigger if Jackson is at #15.I don`t think so because i think SK is gunshy about 1st RD QBs.I think he feels the safe thing to do is get a instant starter at CB or DLine or WR or OLine.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm in the screw it, draft Jackson camp.

At least it creates some excitement about what had become a boring team.

 

[az jam]

I'm mixed about Jackson. But if the Cards want him they will have to take him at #15. He most likely will go in the mid first round as too many teams need qbs.