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[GatorAZ]

I have never even heard of and can't imagine anyone driving 156 mph on a city street. It makes me wonder if he was having an argument with his gf and either wanted to scare her or wanted to kill them both. This just doesn't make any sense to me. 156 mph on any street is just unimaginable. Was he in a suicidal mindset to do that?

If you’re not moving and see a car going past you at 156 it’s probably a split second view. The sounds the collision made must have been horrific. It looks like it happened next to a apartment complex. I’m sure we’ll start hearing eye/ear witness accounts.

 

[Mainstreet]

Then your car insurance company drops you.

This is an example of losing individual freedoms.

 

[Shane]

A little off topic, but confessions are made to the police all the time without people ever hearing or knowing their Miranda Rights.

True... still admissible unless being actively questioned related to to the incident/crime

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you actually know that they don't have that right? Or can they disable it, if they want to, without any governmental consequences?

No I don't know. I suspect most people don't know about the box or know how to disable it.

 

[gimpy]

I think Miranda rights only apply if a person is under arrest? Maybe that was the original intent, although it could have changed over the years.

I'm more interested in maintaining individual rights than saving time. Like you said, they can reconstruct the crime scene and there are cameras everywhere these days.

A little off topic, but confessions are made to the police all the time without people ever hearing or knowing their Miranda Rights.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Of course this can be justified in terms of safety but we are slowly losing all are rights.

I think when you own a car a person should have the right to disable the device.

Who says you’re not allowed to do so? I’ll bet the manufacturers put them in to avoid claims that something didn’t deploy appropriately to avoid product liability.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm more interested in maintaining individual rights than saving time. Like you said, they can reconstruct the crime scene and there are cameras everywhere these days.

A little off topic, but confessions are made to the police all the time without people ever hearing or knowing their Miranda Rights.

Also, the black box isn’t so much a confession as it is evidence.

 

[Mainstreet]

True... still admissible unless being actively questioned related to to the incident/crime

I'm sure you have seen this right abused (knowing your previous occupation) and I'm sure you are keenly alert of what you say to police can and will be used against you.

Sometimes I watch law enforcement programs on television and my blood boils a bit when I see felony confessions sought without one thought of letting that individual know their rights before they confess.

 

[Dback Jon]

This is an example of losing individual freedoms.

That is quite a leap


Black boxes are part of the airbag system, so good luck disabling them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is an example of losing individual freedoms.

No it isn’t. You don’t have a right to be insured. Particularly if you are unwilling to comply with the safety measures that your insurance company - a business, not the government - requires.

 

[Shane]

I think Miranda rights only apply if a person is under arrest? Maybe that was the original intent, although it could have changed over the years.

You don’t have to be under arrest. If you are questioning someone who you believe to be a possible suspect in a crime and you question them in any way related to said crime they should be read their rights every time prior to questioning.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No I don't know. I suspect most people don't know about the box or know how to disable it.

Do you know about every piece of mechanics and/or engineering that goes into your car?

 

[Shane]

I'm sure you have seen this right abused (knowing your previous occupation) and I'm sure you are keenly alert of what you say to police can and will be used against you.

Sometimes I watch law enforcement programs on television and my blood boils a bit when I see felony confessions sought without one thought of letting that individual know their rights before they confess.

If someone is never questioned by the police and utters a statement or confesses of their own free will rights haven’t been violated.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Miranda rights only apply if a person is under arrest? Maybe that was the original intent, although it could have changed over the years.

It's often too late to know your rights once you are arrested because the person has already said things to incriminate themselves guilty or not guilty.

 

[gimpy]

You don’t have to be under arrest. If you are questioning someone who you believe to be a possible suspect in a crime and you question them in any way related to said crime they should be read their rights every time prior to questioning.

Not sure, but I think originally it was if you were being detained and not free to leave? But, could be wrong.

 

[Mainstreet]

If someone is never questioned by the police and utters a statement or confesses of their own free will rights haven’t been violated.

Of course this is technically true under the law.

However, I'm sure you know if you are ever a suspect in a crime, it's better to get a lawyer before you speak to police even if not guilty. Whatever you say can and will be used against you.

 

[Mainstreet]

That is quite a leap


Black boxes are part of the airbag system, so good luck disabling them.

That's public transportation where a vehicle is private transportation so there is no leap.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's often too late to know your rights once you are arrested because the person has already said things to incriminate themselves guilty or not guilty.

Don’t know why someone would say something to incriminate themselves if they’re not guilty and no interrogation has commenced . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's public transportation where a vehicle is private transportation so there is no leap.

What are you talking about? The black box is part of your vehicles airbag system. That’s his point.

 

[Shane]

Of course this is technically true under the law.

However, I'm sure you know if you are ever a suspect in a crime, it's better to get a lawyer before you speak to police even if not guilty. Whatever you say can and will be used against you.

Correct.. that’s why rights are read. So it’s made very clear.

 

[Mainstreet]

No it isn’t. You don’t have a right to be insured. Particularly if you are unwilling to comply with the safety measures that your insurance company - a business, not the government - requires.

You have to have insurance under the law so it's a catch 22.

A person may have to give up their right to self incrimination by a "black box" if you have to drive to make a living.

 

[Mainstreet]

Correct.. that’s why rights are read. So it’s made very clear.

A person often incriminates themselves because they think they have to talk to police when they don't other than give insurance, license and registration information for a vehicle.

I'm sure a huge number of cases are made long before Miranda Warnings are given. Police can even lie if they want.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Of course this can be justified in terms of safety but we are slowly losing all are rights.

I think when you own a car a person should have the right to disable the device.

The vast majority of cars aren't owned, though...even by the rich...They are leased and/or financed.

 

[Mainstreet]

The vast majority of cars aren't owned, though...even by the rich...They are leased and/or financed.

That's a gray area I suppose but permision for the "black box" could be included in the contract.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Regarding black boxes in cars and your rights. I found this very helpful article with state by state requirements. In Nevada, it's disclosed at the time of sale/lease, that the black box is installed.

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