OT: LeSean McCoy Being Investigated For Assault On Off Duty Police Officers

[Bodha]

Really? So when one of Shady's guys took the bottle of champagne the offending party, who just happened to be off duty cops, should have just cut their losses and walked away?

Yes, actually. You then go call the cops, or at least the bouncer.

And in this situation, they didn't just say "Hey give that back", and Shadys crew started throwing punches. There was an escalation of argument on both sides, until a fight started.

I've said a few times in this thread, a cop is a cop 24/7. Once I remove my uniform it doesn't mean my duties are 100 over.

Its your duty to go slam champagne in a club?


These guys weren't cops during the fight, they were guys at a club. Thus the entire point of my original post. IDC who started what, I just don't like the reporting bringing up "assault on cops", because they weren't cops during the fight.

 

[Southpaw]

So I guess we can safely assume the "off season" has begun.

Shady's gang tag teams cop
Montee Ball released by Patriots for Domestic Violence twice last week

............

next?

 

[Jim Otis]

I just want to know if D-Wash was in the bar at the time this all went down .

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I agree with the regular joes part, but they didn't 'partake in a bar fight' in this instance, as reported. They were stolen from and got jumped when they protested. Huge difference.

That's their version; methinks there is more to the story. I have a feeling there is blame on both sides. Doesn't excuse kicking the crap out of anyone, I just believe piling on special cop bonus penalties is insane.

 

[Southpaw]

That's their version; methinks there is more to the story. I have a feeling there is blame on both sides. Doesn't excuse kicking the crap out of anyone, I just believe piling on special cop bonus penalties is insane.

Speaking of "piling on" Shady and 3 of his homies stomped, kicked and punched a guy on the floor in the fetal position. That ain't a fight, that is assault with intent to maim IMNSHO.


No sympathy from me. When a guy goes down and quits, it is over. If these are the facts, pile the charges on.

 

[Shane]

Cops are cops 24/7. If they identified themselves as cops and he was assaulted anyway then it's an assault on a police officer. Even I can effect an arrest while off duty but I have to identify myself as a police officer. In some cases I can be reprimanded if I was a witness to something and I did nothing. Also, just to clarify what you're saying, is it OK to assault a plain clothes detective or someone acting as a mole?

Sorry but being a police officer I call BS on this.

Thats not how were trained out here nor should you be. If you are off duty you are OFF DUTY. The ONLY time that changes and you should act is in a TRUE life threatening situation. At that time if you announce yourself as a police officer and you take action then you are on duty as you said and Rightfully so. You will even be on the payroll from that second earning time and a half. However In most cases we are told to be a good witness. The quickest way to get yourself fired is to get involved in something off duty you have no business sticking your nose in.

This based on all accounts was a bar fight. Regardless of how it started. If these guys tried to announce as LEOS thinking it would give them some favor for a bar fight that is not cool nor warranted. Bordering on stupid and idiotic.

I witnessed a domestic battery off duty down on Fremont street a few months back and I intervened and held the guy down until reinforcements could arrive. I did it because a woman was about to get her ass beat not because I was a cop. Nor did I announce myself as such there is no need.

I do believe the charges should amount to more due to the piling on and kicking and hitting while the subject had surrendered… Thats more then a typical misdemeanor battery charge. However to invoke that these guys were cops and to be portrayed as such in the media IMO is bad form and not good. We all know how cocky and attitude many cops can have especially young ones. Im sure there is blame to go around no matter how it started. As a cop you should know that champagne bottle isn't worth it and walk away and call the ON DUTY authorities to handle in the proper manner.

 

[Dude]

Hold on. NJ guy is a cop?

 

[Shane]

Hold on. NJ guy is a cop?

I am.. I believe he is a corrections officer?

 

[Dude]

I am.. I believe he is a corrections officer?

Well god bless you I could never do it. You have to have man I don't know what I couldn't do it. I'm why they have background checks for firearms. To many disrespectful jack wagons for me to walk around with a gun. Stay safe and thank you.

 

[NJCardFan]

Sorry but being a police officer I call BS on this.

Thats not how were trained out here nor should you be. If you are off duty you are OFF DUTY. The ONLY time that changes and you should act is in a TRUE life threatening situation. At that time if you announce yourself as a police officer and you take action then you are on duty as you said and Rightfully so. You will even be on the payroll from that second earning time and a half. However In most cases we are told to be a good witness. The quickest way to get yourself fired is to get involved in something off duty you have no business sticking your nose in.

This based on all accounts was a bar fight. Regardless of how it started. If these guys tried to announce as LEOS thinking it would give them some favor for a bar fight that is not cool nor warranted. Bordering on stupid and idiotic.

I witnessed a domestic battery off duty down on Fremont street a few months back and I intervened and held the guy down until reinforcements could arrive. I did it because a woman was about to get her ass beat not because I was a cop. Nor did I announce myself as such there is no need.

I do believe the charges should amount to more due to the piling on and kicking and hitting while the subject had surrendered… Thats more then a typical misdemeanor batter charge. However to invoke that these guys were cops and to be portrayed as such in the media IMO is bad form and not good. We all know how cocky and attitude many cops can have especially young ones. Im sure there is blame to go around no matter how it started. As a cop you should know that champagne bottle isn't worth it and walk away and call the ON DUTY authorities to handle in the proper manner.

I thought this is what I said but perhaps I wasn't clear but you explained here what I was trying to convey. As for being on duty 24/7, perhaps I misworded. You're a cop 24/7 meaning I've seen guys get fired for conduct unbecoming for incidents that have happened while off duty. That's what I meant. And you're right, this is why I said above that this is essentially a bar fight and that the only way charges will be filed in this case would be if the offended party(in this case the guy with the broken nose and ribs) files charges. IMO this is a case of beer muscles vs beer muscles(or in this case champagne muscles).

I am.. I believe he is a corrections officer?

Corrections sergeant(a promotion I kind of regret taking now) actually but yes I'm in corrections but I do have full police powers with the exception of effecting traffic stops. There are things like departmental policy when it comes to carrying off duty(I'd go into details and am quite sure you'd roll your eyes at them with me) but in reality we are exactly like a street cop only the crooks and other bad guys are easily identifiable.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Well god bless you I could never do it. You have to have man I don't know what I couldn't do it. I'm why they have background checks for firearms. To many disrespectful jack wagons for me to walk around with a gun. Stay safe and thank you.

Second that

 

[NJCardFan]

Yes, actually. You then go call the cops, or at least the bouncer.

And in this situation, they didn't just say "Hey give that back", and Shadys crew started throwing punches. There was an escalation of argument on both sides, until a fight started.



Its your duty to go slam champagne in a club?


These guys weren't cops during the fight, they were guys at a club. Thus the entire point of my original post. IDC who started what, I just don't like the reporting bringing up "assault on cops", because they weren't cops during the fight.

So then your beef is with the media and not with these guys.

 

[Shane]

Well god bless you I could never do it. You have to have man I don't know what I couldn't do it. I'm why they have background checks for firearms. To many disrespectful jack wagons for me to walk around with a gun. Stay safe and thank you.

Second that

Thanks guys

 

[Shane]

I thought this is what I said but perhaps I wasn't clear but you explained here what I was trying to convey. As for being on duty 24/7, perhaps I misworded. You're a cop 24/7 meaning I've seen guys get fired for conduct unbecoming for incidents that have happened while off duty. That's what I meant. And you're right, this is why I said above that this is essentially a bar fight and that the only way charges will be filed in this case would be if the offended party(in this case the guy with the broken nose and ribs) files charges. IMO this is a case of beer muscles vs beer muscles(or in this case champagne muscles).


Corrections sergeant(a promotion I kind of regret taking now) actually but yes I'm in corrections but I do have full police powers with the exception of effecting traffic stops. There are things like departmental policy when it comes to carrying off duty(I'd go into details and am quite sure you'd roll your eyes at them with me) but in reality we are exactly like a street cop only the crooks and other bad guys are easily identifiable.

Hey your job has its own dangers for sure.. No way I could be in a prison or jail all day dealing with "them" all day week in and week out. KUDOS Brother!

 

[ajcardfan]

As a cop you should know that champagne bottle isn't worth it and walk away and call the ON DUTY authorities to handle in the proper manner.

Shane, I have massive respect for you as a police officer. It's these types of statements you make that makes me think you should get a secondary career in teaching police officers how to behave properly.

 

[cardpa]

Sorry but being a police officer I call BS on this.

Thats not how were trained out here nor should you be. If you are off duty you are OFF DUTY. The ONLY time that changes and you should act is in a TRUE life threatening situation. At that time if you announce yourself as a police officer and you take action then you are on duty as you said and Rightfully so. You will even be on the payroll from that second earning time and a half. However In most cases we are told to be a good witness. The quickest way to get yourself fired is to get involved in something off duty you have no business sticking your nose in.

This based on all accounts was a bar fight. Regardless of how it started. If these guys tried to announce as LEOS thinking it would give them some favor for a bar fight that is not cool nor warranted. Bordering on stupid and idiotic.

I witnessed a domestic battery off duty down on Fremont street a few months back and I intervened and held the guy down until reinforcements could arrive. I did it because a woman was about to get her ass beat not because I was a cop. Nor did I announce myself as such there is no need.

I do believe the charges should amount to more due to the piling on and kicking and hitting while the subject had surrendered… Thats more then a typical misdemeanor battery charge. However to invoke that these guys were cops and to be portrayed as such in the media IMO is bad form and not good. We all know how cocky and attitude many cops can have especially young ones. Im sure there is blame to go around no matter how it started. As a cop you should know that champagne bottle isn't worth it and walk away and call the ON DUTY authorities to handle in the proper manner.

Shane, Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally a post that absolutely hits the nail on the head. Well stated.

 

[Shane]

Shane, I have massive respect for you as a police officer. It's these types of statements you make that makes me think you should get a secondary career in teaching police officers how to behave properly.

Shane, Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally a post that absolutely hits the nail on the head. Well stated.

Thanks guys much appreciated. TRULY!

 

[Southpaw]

2 nights later a reporter catches him coming out of another "club" and asks for a comment;

McCoy was leaving the Misconduct Tavern in Philadelphia on Wednesday night when a reporter from the Philly Influencer asked if he had a statement to his fans.

It's hard to hear ... but it sounds like McCoy says, "I made a mistake but sooner or later I'll have my say."

It's a big deal -- 'cause if that is what he said, he's basically acknowledging he was a part of the brawl.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2614943-lesean-mccoy-curtis-brinkley-reportedly-hospitalized-2-off-duty-police-officers?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

So much for laying low. Chip Kelly is grinning from ear to ear. Have fun Rex.

 

[NJCardFan]

Hey your job has its own dangers for sure.. No way I could be in a prison or jail all day dealing with "them" all day week in and week out. KUDOS Brother!

It's worse as a supervisor. Not the officers I have to deal with although that can be a challenge but dealing with whiny inmates thinking a) you're at their beck and call and b) you can fix their problems with a wave of a magic wand. Neither of which is true. I can't tell you how many times I've had guys who are supposed to be bad asses call their mommy on me. I'm not joking. They will literally call their mother and complain because I didn't jump when they needed me. There is a process of doing things and running up on me or crying to mommy ain't the way to do it. If it's something I can help you with AND you went through the proper channels first then I'll see what I can do.

Shane, I have massive respect for you as a police officer. It's these types of statements you make that makes me think you should get a secondary career in teaching police officers how to behave properly.

Shane and I can both tell you that this would be pissing up a rope. Just like alcohol can give you phantom muscles so can a badge. I can tell you stories that will make you shake your head.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

2 nights later a reporter catches him coming out of another "club" and asks for a comment;



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2614943-lesean-mccoy-curtis-brinkley-reportedly-hospitalized-2-off-duty-police-officers?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

So much for laying low. Chip Kelly is grinning from ear to ear. Have fun Rex.

. Lol: Misconduct Tavern...bad choice, McCoy.

 

[Bert]

These people should get the book thrown at them. They need to make another law specifically for when groups of cowards crowd around someone who is already beaten to the ground, and take turns kicking him. It seems to be all the rage on youtube right now. And that's what these idiots did to the off duty cop. That's just such bull crap to gather round and literally kick and injured man while he's down.

Let's not let the same old arguments distract us from the fact that Shady's crew is a bunch of criminals now and possibly Mccoy himself.

I have no sympathy for any of them they aren't being treated nearly as unfairly as they should be.

 

[Stout]

. Lol: Misconduct Tavern...bad choice, McCoy.

Could have been worse. The home of the Broad Street Bullies? The Criers? The name of the place could have been Five for Fighting

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So...someone shot a video of the incident and it says it was filmed at 2:45 AM. What time do they stop serving alcohol in Philly?

 

[Southpaw]

So...someone shot a video of the incident and it says it was filmed at 2:45 AM. What time do they stop serving alcohol in Philly?

Last call was the champagne purchase. Takes awhile to finish off 4 bottles. Ever been in a club that late? Takes an hour for the "patrons" to finish that last call drink.

BTW. I agree with Bert. The cowards had to do the Philly stomp. Is there a charge for assault with intent to maim?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Last call was the champagne purchase. Takes awhile to finish off 4 bottles. Ever been in a club that late? Takes an hour for the "patrons" to finish that last call drink.

Other than Vegas casinos, no I haven't been clubbing that late. Not a drinker, so that scene doesn't do much for me.

I was going off the original post in the thread:

Apparently a group of off duty cops were having a party of some sort and ordered a few bottles of champagne but someone from Mccoy's entourage grabbed one of the bottles from the server. One of the cops stepped to this guy and a fight ensued.

As it turns out, you are correct. It was alcohol which had previously been served. The person from McCoy's group grabbed a bottle from one of the off-duty cops, not from a server.