OT Manziel demoted to 3rd team for partying again

[Cheesebeef]

this is great for my Fantasy team because Barnidge is much more of a force with McCown in there.

 

[Darkside]

I'm not a Manziel lover, by any means, I don't think he's the guy to take any team over the top, but I do know he's being held to a totally different standard than other NFL players.

Most NFL players go to high priced clubs, bars, strip clubs, and worse, on a weekly basis. Dockett posted pictures of his strip club adventures on his own, and had a "beautifully" written soliloquy of his own thoughts on the various qualities and advantages of midget strippers. The internet didn't die that day, like it is with Manziel. There's been much worse that NFL players have posted online, and much much worse that NFL players have done.

I'm not even sure why people care, or why there are such strong opinions on here. This and worse go on with a lot of teams, but there isn't the national exposure and outcry that this has generated. Why does anyone here care what happens in Cleveland? The guy didn't break the law, didn't commit a crime. Who cares? It's not like Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning went off the rails with it posted online, that would be a story.

This is a media concoction and many people are buying into it.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I'm not a Manziel lover, by any means, I don't think he's the guy to take any team over the top, but I do know he's being held to a totally different standard than other NFL players.

Most NFL players go to high priced clubs, bars, strip clubs, and worse, on a weekly basis. Dockett posted pictures of his strip club adventures on his own, and had a "beautifully" written soliloquy of his own thoughts on the various qualities and advantages of midget strippers. The internet didn't die that day, like it is with Manziel. There's been much worse that NFL players have posted online, and much much worse that NFL players have done.

I'm not even sure why people care, or why there are such strong opinions on here. This and worse go on with a lot of teams, but there isn't the national exposure and outcry that this has generated. Why does anyone here care what happens in Cleveland? The guy didn't break the law, didn't commit a crime. Who cares? It's not like Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning went off the rails with it posted online, that would be a story.

This is a media concoction and many people are buying into it.

Dockett didn't check himself into rehab. Manziel did. Which meant he was probably in for an addiction to....something....and he's not staying sober.

Big difference between enjoying going to clubs and partying....and having an addiction and going to clubs and partying.

 

[PACardsFan]

At 23 u Can t get some fun?
Drinking champagne during bye week is outrageous?
I know u get Lot of Money and u have some responsabilty but u cant be young forever

Exactly. Since when is drinking as big an issue as smoking pot or beating your girlfriend. If the kid can go out & party, yet still be a QB on Sundays, then let him be. Screw the Browns. Go elsewhere & make the Browns regret getting rid of you.

 

[Bert]

Dockett didn't check himself into rehab. Manziel did. Which meant he was probably in for an addiction to....something....and he's not staying sober.

Big difference between enjoying going to clubs and partying....and having an addiction and going to clubs and partying.

Exactly. What dont these people get about this? He is an admitted addict who is 6 months removed from rehab. How is that not a big deal? Relapse isn't a joke. Alcoholism isn't acceptable. It's not something to blow off. It's not ok.

You guys get that the basic idea of rehab is to like, stop drinking right? Get sober and stay sober.

Hi I'm Johnny and I'm an alcoholic! I've been sober over 2 years, except for bye weeks, and parties, and holidays, and after wins, and after losses, and weekends, and tuesday afternoons. Other than that I am 100% clean and some people on the internet totally agree with this strategy!

The coach said he sat him down BEFORE the bye week and told him to stay on the straight and narrow. The Browns just named him the starter and asked him to stick to his program and he couldn't make it 2 days before he's on social media popping bottles.

That is troubling for anyone let alone someone that the Browns will potentially invest millions of dollars in.

 

[Darkside]

Dockett didn't check himself into rehab. Manziel did. Which meant he was probably in for an addiction to....something....and he's not staying sober.

Big difference between enjoying going to clubs and partying....and having an addiction and going to clubs and partying.

I guess my question is why do we care? McCown is starting again, and he actually played for us, but I don't see a thread about that.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I guess my question is why do we care? McCown is starting again, and he actually played for us, but I don't see a thread about that.

I think because Manziel drew a big ol' target on himself. Same as Tebow. People who say, "Look at me!" draw attention.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I didn't mean to start next year. You did see how bad Weeden & Cassel played didn't you. Write it down

And we are not talking about logic... we are talking about Jerry Jones lol

 

[Jetstream Green]

Nice!

When McCown plays their TE Barnidge has big fantasy games. Thank you Johnny Lawn Nome for being who you are.

You bet... Barnidge is my starting TE for my Comanches in fantasy football too

 

[TheHopToad]

Since when is drinking as big an issue as smoking pot or beating your girlfriend.

It's not as big of an issue as smoking pot or beating your girlfriend, which is why he wasn't suspended by the league.

However, the team and the coach has every right to sit him on the bench when his behavior is unacceptable by the standards set by the coach or the team, just like any parent has the right to ground their kids when they don't like their attitude or behavior.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Johnny Football is a joke.

 

[Buckybird]

And we are not talking about logic... we are talking about Jerry Jones lol

Exactly why he will do it! He almost always does the opposite of what he should

 

[PACardsFan]

It's not as big of an issue as smoking pot or beating your girlfriend, which is why he wasn't suspended by the league.

However, the team and the coach has every right to sit him on the bench when his behavior is unacceptable by the standards set by the coach or the team, just like any parent has the right to ground their kids when they don't like their attitude or behavior.

All true, but he has every right to go play elsewhere if he chooses. Kenny Stabler, Lenny Dawson & many other great QB's could never play in today's NFL. Hell, Sonny Jurgenson couldn't either. I understand it's all about the financial investment that teams make when they draft a 1st round QB. If Manziel wants to party, he should ask to be cut, sign on elsewhere for much less money, & that team won't care nearly as much as the Browns do.

 

[TheHopToad]

Kenny Stabler, Lenny Dawson & many other great QB's could never play in today's NFL. Hell, Sonny Jurgenson couldn't either.

I would be willing to bet that all of those guys would be able to play in today's NFL just fine. They had a fundamental work ethic and enough intelligence to be able to adapt to the standards of the time. It was a different era and culture back then, the rules were different. The expectations were different. The salaries were different. They didn't need to be role models then.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

I would be willing to bet that all of those guys would be able to play in today's NFL just fine. They had a fundamental work ethic and enough intelligence to be able to adapt to the standards of the time. It was a different era and culture back then, the rules were different. The expectations were different. The salaries were different. They didn't need to be role models then.

Nor should they be now. FFS live our own lives and quit looking for sportsmen as our idols. Enjoy the game for what it is. And make your idols of worthy people.

 

[Shane]

How anyone can defend this guy is beyond me.

He is just a few months out of rehab for christ sake. He is clearly an idiot.

 

[Bert]

How anyone can defend this guy is beyond me.

He is just a few months out of rehab for christ sake. He is clearly an idiot.

I know it's kindof mind boggling. He's not some average 20 something going out for a few beers with friends like the oversimplified portrait of Johnny love some are trying to paint.

The guy is an addict. He went to Rehab. This part of the process is called relapse boys and girls. This part is bad.

I really couldn't care less either way but the only thing prompting me to post here are the incredibly ignorant statements of "this is no big deal." It's weird that people having addictions that are ruining their lives has become so commonplace in America that we dont even care anymore we just want to watch the plane hit the mountain on TV in HD.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Imo, his going to rehab was more for show than anything else. I could check myself into rehab tomorrow but it doesn't mean that I am buying into it.

I don't blame him for what he did but he was stupid to let it be recorded. I don't blame the Browns one bit either. How is this any different than Leinart's hot tub party pictures?

 

[cardpa]

And to think some folks wanted to draft Johnny boy as our QBOF. Never thought he would make it in the NFL and so far he is proving that theory.

 

[Hollywood]

I know it's kindof mind boggling. He's not some average 20 something going out for a few beers with friends like the oversimplified portrait of Johnny love some are trying to paint.

The guy is an addict. He went to Rehab. This part of the process is called relapse boys and girls. This part is bad.

I really couldn't care less either way but the only thing prompting me to post here are the incredibly ignorant statements of "this is no big deal." It's weird that people having addictions that are ruining their lives has become so commonplace in America that we dont even care anymore we just want to watch the plane hit the mountain on TV in HD.

I think those people are either ignoring the fact that he is an addict or just dont understand what it means.

Continued use in the face of mounting consequences.

Bottom line is that he loves alcohol more than he loves football. To the point where he cannot control his impulse to drink. Its how people end up losing everything.

Radio personality Mike Catherwood who is a recovering addict says he loved doing drugs. Not just loved it, but LOOOOOVED it.

I actually feel kind of bad for Johnny Manziel. Clearly he loves to play football and wants to play in the NFL. The fact that he can't or won't stop drinking to make his dream come true tells me that he's an addict.

Hopefully he will realize what the drinking is costing him and get help before it's too late.

This was sent from my cell pjone so please excise any typeos or other errors.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Exactly. Since when is drinking as big an issue as smoking pot or beating your girlfriend. If the kid can go out & party, yet still be a QB on Sundays, then let him be. Screw the Browns. Go elsewhere & make the Browns regret getting rid of you.

Yeah, let him go elsewhere with his crappy work ethic and "wreck this league"!

There will never be a time when anyone regrets letting this kid "slip past them".

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm not a Manziel lover, by any means, I don't think he's the guy to take any team over the top, but I do know he's being held to a totally different standard than other NFL players.

Most NFL players go to high priced clubs, bars, strip clubs, and worse, on a weekly basis. Dockett posted pictures of his strip club adventures on his own, and had a "beautifully" written soliloquy of his own thoughts on the various qualities and advantages of midget strippers. The internet didn't die that day, like it is with Manziel. There's been much worse that NFL players have posted online, and much much worse that NFL players have done.

I'm not even sure why people care, or why there are such strong opinions on here. This and worse go on with a lot of teams, but there isn't the national exposure and outcry that this has generated. Why does anyone here care what happens in Cleveland? The guy didn't break the law, didn't commit a crime. Who cares? It's not like Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning went off the rails with it posted online, that would be a story.

This is a media concoction and many people are buying into it.

Dockett isn't a QB and he didn't do it literally days after the team handed him the keys to the QB spot and said it's yours the rest of the year.

As for why it's big news, it's because Manziel is all about self promotion he wants to be in the spotlight, unfortunately now it's for the wrong reasons.

I'm amazed he didn't look at what happened to Leinart and learn from it.

 

[conraddobler]

In the end there is only one thing that matters and that is how he plays the game.

Either he's a winner or not.

I think Jimmy Johnson put it best. He said if some guy barely holding onto a roster spot falls asleep in the meeting room you cut him publicly as a warning to the other players in that they become more value to you as a teaching tool than as a player.

If Troy Aikman falls asleep in the meeting room you just say, "wake up Troy".

So if this guy is any good he'll be fine if not he won't which is to say it's the same thing for roughly everyone.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

They give him the starting job to see how he will do and how does he respond. He parties knowing full well he completed rehab in the offseason. This ranks high on my list of ******** moves.

PS. Jerry Jones is probably waiting for the day the Browns cut him so he can add him to the circus in Big D

 

[Dback Jon]

It's not as big of an issue as smoking pot or beating your girlfriend, which is why he wasn't suspended by the league.

However, the team and the coach has every right to sit him on the bench when his behavior is unacceptable by the standards set by the coach or the team, just like any parent has the right to ground their kids when they don't like their attitude or behavior.

Johnny football smash his girlfriend head into the windshield and browns did nothing