OT - Report concludes Patriots probably cheated, Brady aware

[CtCardinals78]

up here in NE the speculation is brady will get between 4-8 games and the pats will lose a pick plus a hefty fine. Thats from the local beat guys

Yeah hearing the same thing. It's so beautiful watching the Patriots Dynasty* unravel.

 

[HoodieBets]

Yeah hearing the same thing. It's so beautiful watching the Patriots Dynasty* unravel.

+1000000


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[Shane]

Yeah hearing the same thing. It's so beautiful watching the Patriots Dynasty* unravel.

 

[TJ]

Anyone see Tom Brady's reaction when asked about this?

He's treating it like its a joke and has no sense for remorse or apology

New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady avoids questions about Ted Wells Report - NFL Videos

Well, the fact that there's mass hysteria over under-inflated balls kind of is a joke, in all honesty.

The real news is the overreaction over this situation. 240+ page report, months of investigation and possible suspension.

Yawn. Wake me up if he goes Ray Rice on Gisele; then we can go nuts.

 

[ajcardfan]

Somewhere inside of Shane is this personality:

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[HoodieBets]

Well, the fact that there's mass hysteria over under-inflated balls kind of is a joke, in all honesty.

The real news is the overreaction over this situation. 240+ page report, months of investigation and possible suspension.

Yawn. Wake me up if he goes Ray Rice on Gisele; then we can go nuts.

What's worse cheating to gain a competitive advantage or smoking weed. Seems like a no brainer to me yet the guys you smoke get way worse penalties than what Brady will get


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[TJ]

What's worse cheating to gain a competitive advantage or smoking weed. Seems like a no brainer to me yet the guys you smoke get way worse penalties than what Brady will get


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Perhaps, but that's more of a CBA issue as the NFLPA felt that smoking weed was a much more serious offense than cheating or beating your girlfriend.

Either way, I'd venture to guess that 75% of football fans didn't even know there was a rule for minimum PSI in a football, and 99% of those fans didn't know the threshold was 12.5 PSI.

The real story is the (over)reaction to the situation as opposed to the crime itself. Fine Tom Brady a game check and suspend him for one game and move on. Punish him the same as if Blake Bortles would've done the same thing.

 

[ajcardfan]

Perhaps, but that's more of a CBA issue as the NFLPA felt that smoking weed was a much more serious offense than cheating or beating your girlfriend.

Either way, I'd venture to guess that 75% of football fans didn't even know there was a rule for minimum PSI in a football, and 99% of those fans didn't know the threshold was 12.5 PSI.

The real story is the (over)reaction to the situation as opposed to the crime itself. Fine Tom Brady a game check and suspend him for one game and move on. Punish him the same as if Blake Bortles would've done the same thing.

Yeah, I really don't buy these rumors that he will be benched half the season. I think it will be one, maybe two games tops. And, I think he might wind up being just fined.

 

[Garthshort]

Don't know if anyone posted this, but the best description I saw was a comparison to the Injury List. Tom Brady was upgraded from Questionable to Probable.

 

[HoodieBets]

Yeah, I really don't buy these rumors that he will be benched half the season. I think it will be one, maybe two games tops. And, I think he might wind up being just fined.

Patriots execs told local reporters they are anticipating between 6-8 games. NYT reported it will be 2 games today.


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[moklerman]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...time-to-get-back-to-the-spirit-of-competition

Time to reinflate the spirit of competition in sports
By Kurt Warner
May 8, 2015

With the recent release of the Wells Report in regard to Deflate-gate scandal, I find myself shaking my head.

I’m still not sure what exactly happened in the Deflate-gate scandal or who is ultimately responsible, but it seems safe to assume something was done to try to alter the footballs to gain an advantage the other team didn’t have.

That brings up a bigger point: When did that become acceptable and will we ever get back to the true spirit of competition?

I continually hear analysts, talk show hosts and former athletes make the statement that every athlete does things to obtain an advantage over their opponent, implying that all athletes will bend or break rules if it’s the difference between winning and losing.

I would disagree and take offense to that. Sure, true athletes try to get a competitive advantage over their opponents, but that advantage is pursued through hard and extra work, preparation and studying your opponent well. Not every athlete adopts the “win at all or any cost” or “if you aren’t cheating you aren’t trying” mentality.

When I was younger, I fell in love with sports because I believe that once you step between the lines, it’s me vs. you — same size field, same rules, same equipment. Whoever is better prepared, the better player or simply performs better in that moment is victorious.

If you win, you accept the prize with grace and humility knowing that today was your day. You appreciate the effort of the opponent and you never forget that tomorrow’s victory is never guaranteed. Then you return to perfect your craft.

If you lose, you graciously accept that fate. You tip your hat to the opponent with respect for how they competed that day. Then you return to perfect your craft.

To me, this is the true spirit of competition and why to this day there is nothing I would rather do then compete. Things have seemingly changed and pure competition lost its appeal in favor of winning. I wish it wasn’t the case, but I am reminded of this change in sports culture almost daily.

Over the years, we have watched athletes admit to using performance-enhancing drugs and we have seen pitchers caught doctoring balls. We have seen judging scandals, age-related scandals, spying scandals and even scandals where athletes have looked to take out the fiercest competitor before the competition even began.

I know sports has become big business and the difference between winning and losing can mean millions, not to mention the cultural adoration they receive for achieving the highest of heights. This "spirit of competition" is not simply lost on our professional athletes and coaches — I have watched this mentality trickle down and become more prevalent in our youth sports as well. We are now setting an example that rule-breaking is acceptable.

Last weekend, my son played in a 12-and-under basketball tournament. They competed well until they ran into a team that undoubtedly outperformed them. During the game, it came to everyone’s attention that the opposing team had at least one 13-year-old on its roster. We weren’t able to dispute this fact in our game because we didn’t contend the issue before the game started — which seems like we are being told to be suspicious of misconduct.

So before the finals, the other team that had reached the finals was informed so they could make the complaint if they chose. They were about to file the complaint, but realized they had 13 year-olds on their roster, as well. So our team of 11 year olds that was playing up in the 12U division not only was beat by a team that had 13 year olds on it, but watched the final be played between two teams that should have been playing in 13U division.

Without question, my son’s team was greatly outplayed, for the most part by players that I truly believe were within the appropriate age range. They would have beaten us anyways, but does that make it OK? If, at the end of the day, we come to the conclusion that the outcome would have been the same, do we simply turn a blind eye and move on to the next tournament?

In my mind, this issue has nothing to do with winning and losing in most cases. A little trophy for an 11-year-old kid means little in the big picture of life. The issue comes in teaching the next generation of athletes that it is OK to break the rules. The issue is rewarding two teams that have broken the rules by allowing them to continue to play. The issues come in not taking immediate action to make sure the :spirit of competition" stays intact.

In many ways, I have become the man I am today because of what I learned through sports and competition. It’s why I have always pushed my kids to play sports or compete in something. But I am starting to wonder what exactly my young children and all the young athletes are learning from those examples at the highest levels of sport.

 

[Darkside]

I like the sentiment. But that's 1980's man. Young dudes don't think that way now. They just don't.

 

[moklerman]

I like the sentiment. But that's 1980's man. Young dudes don't think that way now. They just don't.

I think that's the point.

 

[oaken1]

I like the sentiment. But that's 1980's man. Young dudes don't think that way now. They just don't.

truth.
bad parenting causes todays youngsters to grow up with **** character....shame really.

 

[Cardiac]

That's dumb AJ. No offense dude, but dumb.

People have cheated in the NFL for decades. For 100 years. Just like every other sport.

Inflategate is stupid and I don't care, at all. I personally think every QB inflates his balls the way they want, I'd do the same thing frankly.

Get every advantage you can. People hate on Brady, which is totally ridic, if you think other QB's don't have their own balls inflated the way they want. Which brings into question, quite honestly, why is there a mandated pressure on balls anyway, by the NFL? Why? Why can't any team play with any pressure they want, who freaking cares? Rodgers has said he likes his over-inflated. Brady maybe likes his under. Who gives a crap?

It's, quite frankly, one of the dumbest arguments ever.

I really mean that.

I had the same initial thought, who cares what the psi pressure is on game balls. I'm all for seeing athletes performing at their best so if Brady likes balls at 10 psi and Rodgers like them at 14 then let them do that.

So why have the rule ? I think it has something to do with less fumbles and how TO's are a very exciting part of the game. Thing is though is that it is a rule and if someone breaks it they need to be punished.

"It's okay because everyone else is doing it", that is weak minded IMO. Warner has it right.

Bounty gate, is that really much worse? In a sport that has become the most popular sport in the US by far and has done so in large part due to the violence and hits but hitting to injure is a violation?

Weill of course it is but what's the huge leap? When I play FB in High School my goal was to hurt the opponent without injuring them. I loved hearing the umph as I knocked the snot out of them. So yes I believe the Saints deserved the punishment they received but let's not forget part of footballs foundation is violence.

Bellicheat is a FB genius but how come his team keeps getting caught cheating? If everyone else is cheating how come this genius is the being caught more than anyone else?

4 game suspension, lose a 1st rd pick and huge fine to the team. Oh and yes Billacheat gets a 4 game suspension as well. Why not the same as Payton? Well ending peoples careers is far worse then letting air out of a ball.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...time-to-get-back-to-the-spirit-of-competition

And again, Warner nailed it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah hearing the same thing. It's so beautiful watching the Patriots Dynasty* unravel.

Really? I tend to prefer watching well played football rather than not. I would rather watch Tom Brady at QB than Ryan Fitzpatrick or some other league backup or fringe starter. I find it funny how some people just dislike teams that play a solid brand of football because they consistently win.

 

[Cards Czar]

This say alot of the Wells report.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/

 

[HoodieBets]

Really? I tend to prefer watching well played football rather than not. I would rather watch Tom Brady at QB than Ryan Fitzpatrick or some other league backup or fringe starter. I find it funny how some people just dislike teams that play a solid brand of football because they consistently win.

Live in New England then get back to us. Worst sports fans in the country.


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[CtCardinals78]

Live in New England then get back to us. Worst sports fans in the country.


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Big time. Don't get me wrong I love Boston. It's one of my favorite cities, but their sports fans leave a lot to be desired. Arrogant and cocky are just two of the adjectives I would use to describe your typical Boston sports fan.

 

[BigRedRage]

https://twitter.com/Cardschatter/status/597876932286521345

 

[Dback Jon]

https://twitter.com/Cardschatter/status/597876932286521345

Not enough, IMHO

 

[Jake6233]

Not enough, IMHO

i agree but at least it is more than a slap on the wrist.

Do think Bellicheat was lucky to not get suspended at all yet again though.

 

[Jersey Girl]

i agree but at least it is more than a slap on the wrist.

Yup, it's a start.

Maybe Brady won't be so smug anymore.

 

[Iceman]

So does last years Super Bowl win have an * next to it??

 

[unseenaz]

He'll probably appeal down to 2 games. So no, 4 games is not enough