OT-Someone Explain To Me Why Cincy Gave Dalton $100 Million

[Mulli]

Reading comprehension error. Try again. I'll give you a clue as to what you missed:

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"In the running game."

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The title of this thread is annoying because it doesn't reflect the reality of Dalton's extension (or Kaepernick's, for that matter). The Bengals essentially gave Dalton a 2-year, $25M extension with five additional team option years and some incentives that he's probably not going to make.

Dalton got the deal that we're hoping Carson Palmer is going to sign, but I'm starting to wonder if Palmer isn't going to be able to get a 3-year, $45M contract with $30M guaranteed.



This is utter nonsense. Newton is dominating in the running game and is a solid and developing passer who is turning Kelvin Benjamin into the OROY front-runner.

Yet Benjamin had probably his 2nd best game of the year with Scud throwing the ball. That doesn't bode too well with Newton turning him into anything.

And, actually Newton's passing numbers are down, almost universally, across the board this year compared to his previous 3. Even his rushing numbers are on the decline from previous seasons.

I think he's playing hurt but the numbers say he is less effective this year than year's past.

 

[kerouac9]

Yet Benjamin had probably his 2nd best game of the year with Scud throwing the ball. That doesn't bode too well with Newton turning him into anything.

And, actually Newton's passing numbers are down, almost universally, across the board this year compared to his previous 3. Even his rushing numbers are on the decline from previous seasons.

I think he's playing hurt but the numbers say he is less effective this year than year's past.

He's playing hurt, his offensive line is completely in flux (both tackles and RG- UDFA), they've been starting a 3rd stringer at RB, and Jerrico Cotchery is their #2 receiver.

Benjamin has had a 100+ yard game and a 94-yard game with Newton under center. Teams are realizing that Benjamin is increasingly Carolina's only offensive option, and are working hard to reduce his impact.

 

[Buckybird]

"Dominating" is not the word I would use for a QB who's completing 57% of his passes, 8 TDs, and has only completed 36 passes in his past 3 games. In almost every passing statistical category, he's actually regressing. he'll always be a very good running QB, but he's a mediocre at best thrower.

"In the running game."

Yet Benjamin had probably his 2nd best game of the year with Scud throwing the ball. That doesn't bode too well with Newton turning him into anything.

And, actually Newton's passing numbers are down, almost universally, across the board this year compared to his previous 3. Even his rushing numbers are on the decline from previous seasons.

I think he's playing hurt but the numbers say he is less effective this year than year's past.

Amen

He's far from a differance maker in the passing game.

 

[Buckybird]

This is utter nonsense. Newton is dominating in the running game and is a solid and developing passer who is turning Kelvin Benjamin into the OROY front-runner.

Dominating in the running game doesn't make him a stud QB...I said he was a great runner.

As the others have said he's regressing from his rookie year. I also don't think he has great touch on his passes, he almost always throws bullet passes given any situation...no arc or less velocity.

You're entitled to your opinion K9 but I'm not paying a QB who completes barely 60% of his passes & averages barely over 20 passing TDs a year $20 mil+ a year.

Btw Jeff Blake made Quan the OROY too

 

[kerouac9]

Dominating in the running game doesn't make him a stud QB...I said he was a great runner.

As the others have said he's regressing from his rookie year. I also don't think he has great touch on his passes, he almost always throws bullet passes given any situation...no arc or less velocity.

You're entitled to your opinion K9 but I'm not paying a QB who completes barely 60% of his passes & averages barely over 20 passing TDs a year $20 mil+ a year.

Btw Jeff Blake made Quan the OROY too

Worse defense, worse offensive line, worse receivers, worse running game, no offseason. He's the best young quarterback in the NFL after Andrew Luck and maybe Russell Wilson.

 

[Buckybird]

He's the best young quarterback in the NFL after Andrew Luck and maybe Russell Wilson.

Which says how bad the young QB play has been. He's a mid tier passing QB IMO

I think the college game & zone read has ruined QB play for the upcoming nfl passing game for the most part.

 

[kerouac9]

Which says how bad the young QB play has been. He's a mid tier passing QB IMO

I think the college game & zone read has ruined QB play for the upcoming nfl passing game for the most part.

I'm not sure why it's so important for you and others to add in this additional layer of "passing" to quarterback play. Is it only so you can feel right? Is passing by necessity the only component of QB play, not just the primary one?

Cam Newton is just four months and one day older than Andrew Luck. He has some development left to do. He came into a much worse situation than Andrew Luck did.

If you add Newton's rushing TDs to his passing TDs, he has a 2:1 TD-INT ratio. Is he a quarterback that you can drop into the New England Patriots' system and have him excel? No, but that doesn't mean that he's not an excellent young player who can continue to develop.

 

[TJ]

Reading comprehension error. Try again. I'll give you a clue as to what you missed:



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No reading comprehension error. You indicated he was a good passer. I corrected you. Wish to continue? I can continue to educate you some more.

I'm not interested in stats that make a running back look good. If you're going to argue a QB is elite, give me some passing stats to work with. In Cam's case, they don't exist

 

[Mulli]

No reading comprehension error. You indicated he was a good passer. I corrected you. Wish to continue? I can continue to educate you some more.

Fail

 

[BigRedRage]

If you add Newton's rushing TDs to his passing TDs, he has a 2:1 TD-INT ratio.

lmao his rushing tds count as passing td's?

I dont think cam is a bum but you cant count rushing TDs in his TD/INT ratio. thats silly.

 

[TJ]

Fail

No fail.

 

[TJ]

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Cam Newton is just four months and one day older than Andrew Luck. He has some development left to do. He came into a much worse situation than Andrew Luck did.

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Much worse? The Colts were 2-14 the previous year and going through significant changes in players and personnel all over the place. Luck wasn't exactly gift wrapped anything, and even still, he was one of the main reasons the Colts improved by 9 wins in one season. Cam's team was 6-10 his first year.

I know Cam is your boy, but let's get some perspective here. He's a good QB, but no where near great or elite, as you imply.

 

[kerouac9]

lmao his rushing tds count as passing td's?

I dont think cam is a bum but you cant count rushing TDs in his TD/INT ratio. thats silly.

Why? Are they not worth the same amount of points?

Much worse? The Colts were 2-14 the previous year and going through significant changes in players and personnel all over the place. Luck wasn't exactly gift wrapped anything, and even still, he was one of the main reasons the Colts improved by 9 wins in one season. Cam's team was 6-10 his first year.

I know Cam is your boy, but let's get some perspective here. He's a good QB, but no where near great or elite, as you imply.

Please explicate where you get that implication from. I'm pretty sure that my actual text--"dominant in the running game and a solid and developing passer"--is more or less the opposite of "great or elite."

Troll.

 

[Matt L]

lmao his rushing tds count as passing td's?

I dont think cam is a bum but you cant count rushing TDs in his TD/INT ratio. thats silly.

He has 102 total tds (passing plus rushing) and 57 total turnovers (interceptions and fumbles lost). That ratio is a little bit less than 2:1 but still pretty good. I am not sure why his name was dropped on this Andy Dalton thread but I think he's a franchise QB and would take him over any QB taken in the previous drafts not named Andrew Luck.

 

[TJ]

Why? Are they not worth the same amount of points?



Please explicate where you get that implication from. I'm pretty sure that my actual text--"dominant in the running game and a solid and developing passer"--is more or less the opposite of "great or elite."

Troll.

LOL! Not trolling, just pointing out the obvious.

At any rate, considering "developing" is more or less the opposite of regressing, as the passing statistics would indicate, I'm not sure you have a great grasp of any of those concepts.

In reassessing his statistics, I don't see where the development is in his four-year career. At this point, if he were anything more than serviceable, he would have improved from his rookie season. He's a known commodity at this point.

See for yourself:

 

[kerouac9]

LOL! Not trolling, just pointing out the obvious.

At any rate, considering "developing" is more or less the opposite of regressing, as the passing statistics would indicate, I'm not sure you have a great grasp of any of those concepts.

In reassessing his statistics, I don't see where the development is in his four-year career. At this point, if he were anything more than serviceable, he would have improved from his rookie season. He's a known commodity at this point.

See for yourself:

Nice subject change; try and stay on topic. Apparently reading comprehension isn't the only area where you may need remediation.

I'm pretty sure that my actual text--"dominant in the running game and a solid and developing passer"--is more or less the opposite of "great or elite."

 

[TJ]

Nice subject change; try and stay on topic. Apparently reading comprehension isn't the only area where you may need remediation.

I'm pretty sure that my actual text--"dominant in the running game and a solid and developing passer"--is more or less the opposite of "great or elite."

My reading comprehension is fine, but thanks for your concern.

Because your homeboy isn't as good as you value him to be doesn't mean you need to start getting pissy with me.

At this point, you need to calm down.

 

[kerouac9]

My reading comprehension is fine, but thanks for your concern.

Because your homeboy isn't as good as you value him to be doesn't mean you need to start getting pissy with me.

At this point, you need to calm down.

Why don't you put me back on ignore and keep my name out of your mouth? I don't need you repeatedly mis-characterizing my opinions and then not fessing up when called out on them.

 

[TJ]

Why don't you put me back on ignore and keep my name out of your mouth? I don't need you repeatedly mis-characterizing my opinions and then not fessing up when called out on them.

Or you can stop taking a conversation about football so personally and relax.

 

[crisper57]

Really now? This is the thread people are super-passionate about?

 

[Buckybird]

I'm not sure why it's so important for you and others to add in this additional layer of "passing" to quarterback play. Is it only so you can feel right? Is passing by necessity the only component of QB play, not just the primary one?

Cam Newton is just four months and one day older than Andrew Luck. He has some development left to do. He came into a much worse situation than Andrew Luck did.

If you add Newton's rushing TDs to his passing TDs, he has a 2:1 TD-INT ratio. Is he a quarterback that you can drop into the New England Patriots' system and have him excel? No, but that doesn't mean that he's not an excellent young player who can continue to develop.

Lmao

While your at it, let's just count his rushing yards as passing yards too

 

[NJCardFan]

Much worse? The Colts were 2-14 the previous year and going through significant changes in players and personnel all over the place. Luck wasn't exactly gift wrapped anything, and even still, he was one of the main reasons the Colts improved by 9 wins in one season. Cam's team was 6-10 his first year.

I know Cam is your boy, but let's get some perspective here. He's a good QB, but no where near great or elite, as you imply.

Dude, they tanked that season. I mean, c'mon, that's blatantly obvious:

2006: 12-4(won SB)
2007: 13-3
2008: 12-4
2009: 14-2(lost SB)
2010: 10-6
2011: 2-14
2012: 11-5
2013: 11-5

No team has that much of a drop off then rebound. No team.

 

[New Username]

Andy Dalton is basically a 07'-13' version of Carson Palmer. The Bengals have a thing for mediocre QB's.

Child please. You know not of what you speak.

 

[GatorAZ]

Child please. You know not of what you speak.

Dalton's first 4 years are nearly identical with Palmer's last 4 years in Cincy. Actually Dalton's numbers INT%, YPA, passer rating, QBR and overall record are slightly better.

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