OT: Von Miller to the Rams

[Chopper0080]

I wouldn't advocate the Cardinals going down this route though. The team is built differently than the Rams.

I would argue that this is the time if we wanted to make a move like this. No guarantee we are re-signing Chandler Jones. Our window to make these moves financially is closing. As long as we don't give up our first we can trade back to get more picks if we want them.

The more appropriate move (IMO) would be to sign Brandon Scherff from the WTF for a mid round pick. Put him at RG, give Kyler a little more protection, and he is only 30 so you can extend him if you want. Ether way, it gives you better matchups across the offensive line vs the fronts of Green Bay, Tampa, LA, New Orleans and Dallas who look to be the competition. None of those secondaries are great so if we can protect Kyler, that is our best chance to winning IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wouldn't panic and make a trade. The Cardinals need to get healthy first and foremost. I'd look at the secondary trade market maybe, or look at veteran free agents.

The Rams will pay the piper down the road for all of these moves.

So when they pay the piper down the road they’ll have bumped us from the playoffs. Great.

Weren’t they already supposed to be paying the piper for previous moves? Those payments seem to never arrive.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So when they pay the piper down the road they’ll have bumped us from the playoffs. Great.

Weren’t they already supposed to be paying the piper for previous moves? Those payments seem to never arrive.

The Rams were already ahead of the Cardinals going into this year, even with Goff at QB.

Look at the Seahawks. They are starting to pay for all of the missed 1st rounds picks or traded 1st round picks. Relying on back end of the draft to stock your roster is never a good idea.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would argue that this is the time if we wanted to make a move like this. No guarantee we are re-signing Chandler Jones. Our window to make these moves financially is closing. As long as we don't give up our first we can trade back to get more picks if we want them.

The more appropriate move (IMO) would be to sign Brandon Scherff from the WTF for a mid round pick. Put him at RG, give Kyler a little more protection, and he is only 30 so you can extend him if you want. Ether way, it gives you better matchups across the offensive line vs the fronts of Green Bay, Tampa, LA, New Orleans and Dallas who look to be the competition. None of those secondaries are great so if we can protect Kyler, that is our best chance to winning IMO.

I think the Cardinals are still a year away. They need to clear out some of the mistakes and retool a bit more before they are ready for a deep playoff run.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I would argue that this is the time if we wanted to make a move like this. No guarantee we are re-signing Chandler Jones. Our window to make these moves financially is closing. As long as we don't give up our first we can trade back to get more picks if we want them.

The more appropriate move (IMO) would be to sign Brandon Scherff from the WTF for a mid round pick. Put him at RG, give Kyler a little more protection, and he is only 30 so you can extend him if you want. Ether way, it gives you better matchups across the offensive line vs the fronts of Green Bay, Tampa, LA, New Orleans and Dallas who look to be the competition. None of those secondaries are great so if we can protect Kyler, that is our best chance to winning IMO.

Totally agree with your first paragraph.

And your second statement is interesting. We likely won’t be able to recoup what we lost with watt, so instead of trying to do so, counter a Rams move by pursuing a top notch guard to shore our weakest spot offensively, thereby offsetting our defensive deficiency by making a strength even stronger. I like it. I’m in.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Rams were already ahead of the Cardinals going into this year, even with Goff at QB.

Look at the Seahawks. They are starting to pay for all of the missed 1st rounds picks or traded 1st round picks. Relying on back end of the draft to stock your roster is never a good idea.

I’ll take 9/11 years making the playoffs with a single 7-9 and a 9-7 year sprinkled in. Oh with two two super bowl appearances and one win. Yeah I’d take that and happily pay the piper.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think the Cardinals are still a year away. They need to clear out some of the mistakes and retool a bit more before they are ready for a deep playoff run.

This team is 7-1, a hair away from being 8-0, and you never know what’s going to happen from year to year. You don’t kick the can on winning down the line, you kick the can on paying for winning down the line.

 

[Russ Smith]

I would argue that this is the time if we wanted to make a move like this. No guarantee we are re-signing Chandler Jones. Our window to make these moves financially is closing. As long as we don't give up our first we can trade back to get more picks if we want them.

The more appropriate move (IMO) would be to sign Brandon Scherff from the WTF for a mid round pick. Put him at RG, give Kyler a little more protection, and he is only 30 so you can extend him if you want. Ether way, it gives you better matchups across the offensive line vs the fronts of Green Bay, Tampa, LA, New Orleans and Dallas who look to be the competition. None of those secondaries are great so if we can protect Kyler, that is our best chance to winning IMO.

Google says Scherf is almost untradeable because he's on a 1 year franchise tag of 18 million so whoever took him has to have the cap room for the rest of his salary there's no way to offset any of it. so you get him now you have to pay him 9 games or about 9.5 million so you need that much cap room.

 

[DVontel]

The Rams were already ahead of the Cardinals going into this year, even with Goff at QB.

Look at the Seahawks. They are starting to pay for all of the missed 1st rounds picks or traded 1st round picks. Relying on back end of the draft to stock your roster is never a good idea.

That’s because Seattle has rarely hit on the mid round picks unlike LA & Seattle has a HC that is stuck in the early 2000s despite having a future HOF QB while LA has a HC that is able to adapt every single year.

 

[wit3card]

I would look at following players and what it costs to trade for them (not necessarly in that order):

Leonard Williams NYG
Fletcher Cox Eagles
Quinnen Williams Jets
Montez Sweat WFT
Emmanuel Ogbah Dolphins
T.J. Hockenson Lions
Jonathan Greenard Texans
Demarcus Walker Texans
Vernon Hargreaves Texas
Dawuane Smoot Jax
Malcom Brown Jax
Brandon Scherff WFT

But overall difficult to argue if the costs are too high.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This team is 7-1, a hair away from being 8-0, and you never know what’s going to happen from year to year. You don’t kick the can on winning down the line, you kick the can on paying for winning down the line.

I'm not saying concede anything, I'm just saying I think this won't be year.

We need Vance Joseph to take a head coaching job LOL.

 

[GatorAZ]

With one 5th and two 7th round picks? They must have a lot of confidence in their scouting department...

They have 3rd, 4th and 6th rd comp picks coming.

 

[wit3card]

Google says Scherf is almost untradeable because he's on a 1 year franchise tag of 18 million so whoever took him has to have the cap room for the rest of his salary there's no way to offset any of it. so you get him now you have to pay him 9 games or about 9.5 million so you need that much cap room.

You have to get him a new Contract, and since he wants out of WFT that shouldn't be that big of a problem.

 

[Krangodnzr]

That’s because Seattle has rarely hit on the mid round picks unlike LA & Seattle has a HC that is stuck in the early 2000s despite having a future HOF QB while LA has a HC that is able to adapt every single year.

Heh this isn't true at all. The Seahawks glory years were built on later picks and castoff guys, not high draft picks.

And just like Seattle, the Rams aren't likely to keep up the success they had with non-premium picks.

 

[Russ Smith]

You have to get him a new Contract, and since he wants out of WFT that shouldn't be that big of a problem.

From what I just read you can't, because he is a franchise player even if you get him and say extend him, you still have to absorb his franchise tag amount. Not the whole amount the prorated amount. which is just over 9.5 million.

 

[DVontel]

Heh this isn't true at all. The Seahawks glory years were built on later picks and castoff guys, not high draft picks.

And just like Seattle, the Rams aren't likely to keep up the success they had with non-premium picks.

Yea…..those picks were 10 years ago. A decade ago.

Go look at their mid round picks as recent as 5 years ago. It’s been really awful. Now, compare it to LA’s & you see why they still have been a successful team despite Jared Goff dragging them down. Despite their QB. Seattle only made the playoffs cause of their QB, but no one expected them to go far due to the lack of talent Russell had to carry.


Until Stafford gets real old, LA isn’t falling off anytime soon. Unlike Shanahan, McVay is actually worthy of his incredible football mind. That FO in LA is way too advanced.

 

[mojorizen7]

The Rams will pay the piper down the road for all of these moves.

Lol when? This has been regurgitated in the media and every fan board for the last five straight winning seasons.

If one looks deeper its quite simple. Draft well on days 2 & 3, sell the day 1 crap shoot picks for proven players, reap the comp picks from the FA losses because you have guys already drafted and ready to plug in. Repeat.

The roster is top heavy sure (probably why our special teams have nose-dived the last couple years), but the Rams JAG's fit the system and contribute.

There is no piper. It's chess not checkers.

 

[BritCard]

That’s because Seattle has rarely hit on the mid round picks unlike LA & Seattle has a HC that is stuck in the early 2000s despite having a future HOF QB while LA has a HC that is able to adapt every single year.

The Seahawks glory years and SB runs were built on the 10,11 and 12 drafts. Especially mid round picks.

KJ Wright, Sherman, Russ, Chancellor were all mid to late picks. Plus Tate, Wagner, Okung, Thomas and Irvin in higher rounds.

It was more recently they started trading away picks and sucking in the draft. But Rams are a whole other level on the trade front.

Edit - I see Krang beat me to it

 

[mojorizen7]

Re-signing Miller will be a tall order, but the same situation arose with the Ramsey trade at the end of his previous deal. It got done.

 

[DVontel]

Re-signing Miller will be a tall order, but the same situation arose with the Ramsey trade at the end of his previous deal. It got done.

Good to see you stopped sending Loyal over here lol

 

[SoonerLou]

in other news

Matt LaFleur: Packers are "working extremely hard" at trade deadline

Packers coach Matt LaFleur says his team is interested in adding to the roster before tomorrow's trade deadline.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lol when? This has been regurgitated in the media and every fan board for the last five straight winning seasons.

Heh 3-4 years down the road, but does that matter in 2021? Nope.

If one looks deeper its quite simple. Draft well on days 2 & 3, sell the day 1 crap shoot picks for proven players, reap the comp picks from the FA losses because you have guys already drafted and ready to plug in. Repeat.

That's why David Long has worked out so well... It doesn't always work. The Rams are great because of the top of the roster and McVay.

The roster is top heavy sure (probably why our special teams have nose-dived the last couple years), but the Rams JAG's fit the system and contribute.

There is no piper. It's chess not checkers.

I don't disagree at all. I think we're probably on the same page mostly.

 

[mojorizen7]

One more thing because i rarely post anymore. This trade was a direct (attempt) to collar Kyle Murray. The dude is uber hard to defend no matter who you're roiling out there on D. When he gets to the edges looking downfield or running you're losing the play already.

IMO you've got to beat him more with smart scheme rather than talent.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re-signing Miller will be a tall order, but the same situation arose with the Ramsey trade at the end of his previous deal. It got done.

You think the Rams can actually afford him? I don't. Plus you have to think the team will have to extend Stafford again soon, and it would be smarter to do it now than to wait.

The Rams are projected to be at $7 mil cap space next year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One more thing because i rarely post anymore. This trade was a direct (attempt) to collar Kyle Murray. The dude is uber hard to defend no matter who you're roiling out there on D. When gets to the edges looking downfield or running you're losing the play already.

IMO you've got to beat him more with smart scheme rather than talent.

The Cardinals offense struggled a lot more against the 9ers than the Rams because the Niners could get a much better edge rush than the Rams could, so you might be 100% correct here.

The Cardinals need to get healthy because currently the Rams would smash them.