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Raiders & Stefen Wisniewski - See jared veldheer
Chiefs & Rodney Hudson - See Justin Houston

The Cowgirls will likley have to let either Dez or Murray walk and the Broncos will likely have to let one of the Thomas' walk. Do you think that means those teams don't think those players are any good.

I think that Dallas think that they've gotten everything they're going to get out of Murray, and they'll franchise Dez before they let him walk.

I think that Denver franchises Demaryous Thomas and that they think that the TE Thomas is probably a product of working with Peyton Manning.

Justin Houston is getting the Franchise tag, probably. He's also going to get a titanic payday.

If these guys are mid-priced free agents and their team is letting them walk, it's probably because they're pretty replaceable with mid-round picks.
 
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I don't get the point of view that thinks our coaches don't know what they're talking about or our guys are all overpaid.

BASK have come out several times when asked what they want to do in free agency and said they want to upgrade the interior OL. There are only 3 positions in the interior O-line and I'm assuming they're not talking about Cooper at LG. It's safe to say we're going into 2015 with Coop as our starting LG. That leaves Sendlein and the RG spot. If they only wanted to upgrade one of those positions they'd ahve said, right guard OR Center, but they didn't they said "interior OL" which leads me to believe they think center should be upgraded, especially considering we're paying our current center the 13th most of all centers in the league.
 

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If those guys are so good, why are their teams letting them walk away for nothing? I don't get the point of view that thinks our coaches don't know what they're talking about or our guys are all overpaid.

You only save $3.1M by releasing Sendlein. So you're out a little over $1M in dead money and it's a wash more or less in the talent process. :shrug:

Dallas let Ware go a couple years ago. Oakland let Veldeer walk. People walk all the time that probably shouldn't in this league.
 
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I think that Dallas think that they've gotten everything they're going to get out of Murray, and they'll franchise Dez before they let him walk.

I think that Denver franchises Demaryous Thomas and that they think that the TE Thomas is probably a product of working with Peyton Manning.

Justin Houston is getting the Franchise tag, probably. He's also going to get a titanic payday.

If these guys are mid-priced free agents and their team is letting them walk, it's probably because they're pretty replaceable with mid-round picks.

And what about the Raiders letting Veldheer walk last year? He's no good either right?

Also note that much like Veldheer, Wisneiwski's camp is saying they're not entertaining the Raiders offers. He wants out.
 

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BASK have come out several times when asked what they want to do in free agency and said they want to upgrade the interior OL. There are only 3 positions in the interior O-line and I'm assuming they're not talking about Cooper at LG. It's safe to say we're going into 2015 with Coop as our starting LG. That leaves Sendlein and the RG spot. If they only wanted to upgrade one of those positions they'd ahve said, right guard OR Center, but they didn't they said "interior OL" which leads me to believe they think center should be upgraded, especially considering we're paying our current center the 13th most of all centers in the league.

I don't think it's safe to say this at all. I think that the Cards are probably more interested in getting legitimate competition for Jonathan Cooper in 2015 than they are for Lyle Sendlein.

Cooper can't be depended on to stay healthy, and when he is healthy, he can't be depended upon to not look like a college walk-on at McNeese State. That's a problem, and it doesn't matter where you were drafted three years ago.
 

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I think that Dallas think that they've gotten everything they're going to get out of Murray, and they'll franchise Dez before they let him walk.

I think that Denver franchises Demaryous Thomas and that they think that the TE Thomas is probably a product of working with Peyton Manning.

Justin Houston is getting the Franchise tag, probably. He's also going to get a titanic payday.

If these guys are mid-priced free agents and their team is letting them walk, it's probably because they're pretty replaceable with mid-round picks.

who do u think fit better in our defense

jabaal sheard
pernell mcphee
derrick morgan
akeem ayers
brooks reed
brandon graham
 
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LOL, so you took the comment of "we need to upgrade the interior OL" as Sendlein, Larsen and Fanaika are great, but that damn Coop guy who doubled (yes, doubled, check the stats) our rushing Y/G whenever he started, he's gotta go.
 

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who do u think fit better in our defense

jabaal sheard
pernell mcphee
derrick morgan
akeem ayers
brooks reed
brandon graham

I think that Sheard and Graham are going to cost more than we want to pay. I don't think that Reed, Morgan or Ayers are that good, and I think McPhee in a defensive end in our system. I wouldn't pay money for either of those guys when I can use the draft. We're not losing any OLBs that played meaningful football in 2014.

LOL, so you took the comment of "we need to upgrade the interior OL" as Sendlein, Larsen and Fanaika are great, but that damn Coop guy who doubled (yes, doubled, check the stats) our rushing Y/G whenever he started, he's gotta go.

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LOL, so you took the comment of "we need to upgrade the interior OL" as Sendlein, Larsen and Fanaika are great, but that damn Coop guy who doubled (yes, doubled, check the stats) our rushing Y/G whenever he started, he's gotta go.

The stats show no change running left and over a yard increase to the right. The key to this improvement was Fanaika out of the lineup.
 

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If these guys are mid-priced free agents and their team is letting them walk, it's probably because they're pretty replaceable with mid-round picks.
I'm assuming you're talking about the other team's C's. If that's the case, those C are better than Sendlein. Why not replace him with a mid round draft pick?

As for the contracts, cutting Sendlein and signing one of those guys may be a wash, money-wise, but it would be an upgraded talent-wise. However, this staff seems to value continuity over most things so I think they'll stick with Lyle another year and maybe draft a guy to groom as his replacement.
 

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You must watch a lot of games to see those guys in enough volume to make an informed judgement. Particularly when Max Unger only played 6 games this year.
I think all those C's are better than Sendlein too. I don't have to watch every game of every player to realize that. Just like I didn't have to watch many games of other teams to know that Terrance Holt was among the worst safeties in football when he played for the Cards. Or that there were many LB's better than Orlando Huff.
 

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I'm assuming you're talking about the other team's C's. If that's the case, those C are better than Sendlein. Why not replace him with a mid round draft pick?

As for the contracts, cutting Sendlein and signing one of those guys may be a wash, money-wise, but it would be an upgraded talent-wise. However, this staff seems to value continuity over most things so I think they'll stick with Lyle another year and maybe draft a guy to groom as his replacement.

I just don't have enough information to say whether the center from a terrible Raiders team that I have no reason to watch is better than the guy that I've watched all year and found to be fine. I'll see if I can find some time to watch a Raiders game and see.

As for the money question, I guess it's about resources. Is there a compelling reason that we're going to spend resources right now to take on additional dead money when Sendlein is a free agent after the season? Particularly when we're going to have to sign at least one free agent guard already?

I think all those C's are better than Sendlein too. I don't have to watch every game of every player to realize that. Just like I didn't have to watch many games of other teams to know that Terrance Holt was among the worst safeties in football when he played for the Cards. Or that there were many LB's better than Orlando Huff.

I just haven't heard anyone make a compelling argument about Sendlein being as bad as those guys that is supported by the evidence that I've seen on the football field.

As for the list, "Martinez" isn't a person, and most of those other guys are either guys on rookie contracts or have contracts twice as expensive as Sendlein's. Lyle is part of the solution, not part of the problem. He's essentially Larry Foote. It makes no sense to me that people are getting hot and bothered about making sure we keep someone like Kelly while bemoaning that we have a solid player like Lyle Sendlein on the roster.

You can't have an All-pro at every position on your team.
 

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As for the list, "Martinez" isn't a person, and most of those other guys are either guys on rookie contracts or have contracts twice as expensive as Sendlein's. Lyle is part of the solution, not part of the problem. He's essentially Larry Foote. It makes no sense to me that people are getting hot and bothered about making sure we keep someone like Kelly while bemoaning that we have a solid player like Lyle Sendlein on the roster.

You can't have an All-pro at every position on your team.

I meant Ramirez, not Martinez. The infamous C for Denver that had the safety on the first play of the Superbowl.

Your 'as for the list' comment was pointing out my typo. It included a brainfart from me because I was thinking of a friend with a name of Martinez instead of Ramirez. Compelling argument. What else can you say? So far you have argued that injured great players aren't as good as mediocre or lower starters because they couldn't play due to injury and pointing out a typo. Awesome.
 
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Here is where I fall on Sendlein. He isn't the best C in the league, but he isn't the worst, and he isn't the worst player on our offensive line. If you are looking for immediate improvement, signing an available C isn't gong to impact as much as upgrading at OG. I believe that upgrading over Sendlein is like upgrading over Massie. It is possible, but there is more need to upgrade at OG.

I like Wisneiwski, think he is better than Sendlein, but I can't really quantify the level of improvement. If you want to sign Wisneiwski because he is younger, and can be your C for the next 7 years...sign him. I think it would be a good move, but I can't say you are going to get better production. I do believe that you can get that level of production longer however.
 

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I like Wisneiwski, think he is better than Sendlein, but I can't really quantify the level of improvement. If you want to sign Wisneiwski because he is younger, and can be your C for the next 7 years...sign him. I think it would be a good move, but I can't say you are going to get better production. I do believe that you can get that level of production longer however.

That's a good comment that I was trying to make but couldn't articulate until you said it.

Signing a mid-level FA like Wisniewski or Hudson or whatever locks you in to a marginal improvement for a longer term. You probably (largely) close the opportunity to make a greater gain in production at the position by signing a better free agent down the road or drafting someone high.
 

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That's a good comment that I was trying to make but couldn't articulate until you said it.

Signing a mid-level FA like Wisniewski or Hudson or whatever locks you in to a marginal improvement for a longer term. You probably (largely) close the opportunity to make a greater gain in production at the position by signing a better free agent down the road or drafting someone high.

Our options are pretty much..

A: Stick with Sendlein as long as he lasts, and draft/sign a guy when he is done.

B: Draft Cameron Erving-Florida St. in round 1, and cut Sendlein at that time. You aren't going to use the money to sign any big FA names, but you now have a young C to develop with a much better skill set.

C: Sign a younger FA C, and cut Sendlein taking the moderate increase in talent, but valuing stability.
 

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I rgink if they cut sendlein they will move larsen to center, considering that his natural position, i dont know the reason but the coaches like him
 

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It just happens at times that fans develop a "hate" for certain players that isn't truly warranted. Big (LD) is an example as is Sendlein.

OG is the true need and that's if Cooper doesn't step up or Watford can't improve enough to win a starting spot.
 

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LOL, so you took the comment of "we need to upgrade the interior OL" as Sendlein, Larsen and Fanaika are great, but that damn Coop guy who doubled (yes, doubled, check the stats) our rushing Y/G whenever he started, he's gotta go.[/QUOTE]

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It just happens at times that fans develop a "hate" for certain players that isn't truly warranted. Big (LD) is an example as is Sendlein.

OG is the true need and that's if Cooper doesn't step up or Watford can't improve enough to win a starting spot.

I don't 'hate' him. He just isn't that good, isn't worth the amount we are paying for him, and want an upgrade. Unfortunately he is the best that we have at the moment.
 

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It just happens at times that fans develop a "hate" for certain players that isn't truly warranted. Big (LD) is an example as is Sendlein.
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You mean the way 80% of this board defended Levi Clown year after year & sack after sack after sack? ;)
 

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