Our franchise QB

[dreamcastrocks]

Talk about some absolute delusional revisionist history.

Matt Leinart was trashed on this board incessantly. Also rightfully so.

Rosen anointed? Puhhhlease…..

Not at the time of the draft. Nearly EVERYONE thought Leinart was going to be our savior.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You can kid yourself with the smokescreen/denial but this has been going on with K1 from day 1.

Matt Leinart and Josh Rosen were anointed from day 1 and couldn't hold K1's jockstrap. BTW - they accomplished NOTHING.

you didn’t even bother answering the questions. Just some lame whataboutism.

There were A LOT of people who weren’t happy with Rosen (I was not one of them… was delirious at having a Jewish QB! But immediately threw The Chosen One to wolves when started hearing and seeing Kyler highlights).

As for Leinart… he was arguably the best/most successful college QB of all time. For a team STARVED for ANY QB. Of course he was annoyed. But the bloom fell off the rose within 2 years there.

This is YEAR FOUR for Kyler and so far we’ve seen very little to show for it as far as tangible success… meaning WINNING. And not winning by a pathetic measure of Cardinals past which shouldn’t be used a measuring stick for any serious franchise. But winning at an legit NFL level.

I mean, you’re making it seem like Kyler is taking us to the playoffs and winning games every year and that’s not good enough for people.

The reality is the just above or just below medi…

Eh, forget it. This is pointless.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Not at the time of the draft. Nearly EVERYONE thought Leinart was going to be our savior.

Denny Green literally said he was a gift from heaven!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Denny Green literally said he was a gift from heaven!!!

Right?

 

[TheCardFan]

Talk about some absolute delusional revisionist history.

Matt Leinart was trashed on this board incessantly. Also rightfully so.

Rosen anointed? Puhhhlease…..

You don't remember the debates about Leinart vs Warner? What a joke of a debate that was...just like the K1 debate.

 

[Shane]

Not at the time of the draft. Nearly EVERYONE thought Leinart was going to be our savior.

He still wasn’t anointed. The trashing started pretty quickly In his rookie year. Of course more were happy in that instance. He was a more proto typical QB who just won a national championship and fell all the way to #10.

Kyler had skeptics absolutely being the #1 overall pick at 5’9” which is pretty much unheard of in the history of this league. He’s showing that it’s also possibly a hinderance.

Bottom line is Leinart was given no free passes around here other then by a select few. Much like what is occurring with Murray now. There a smattering of posters who believe he can do no wrong. There were some like that for Leinart as well.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He still wasn’t anointed. The trashing started pretty quickly In his rookie year. Of course more were happy in that instance. He was a more proto typical QB who just won a national championship and fell all the way to #10.

Kyler had skeptics absolutely being the #1 overall pick at 5’9” which is pretty much unheard of in the history of this league. He’s showing that it’s also possibly a hinderance.

Bottom line is Leinart was given no free passes around here other then by a select few. Much like what is occurring with Murray now. There a smattering of posters who believe he can do no wrong. There were some like that for Leinart as well.

He was until he wasn't. Kyler didn't get that same treatment. A good section of the fan base never thought he was the answer.

Only when things went south (after the collarbone injury) is when the public's perception of Leinart went with it.

Say what you want about Kyler and his play now. He definitely didn't get the same support from draft day to Game 1 let's say that Leinart did.

 

[TheCardFan]

I’ve yet to see your response to what Kyler has accomplished for the team.

Decided to ignore the facts in my post huh?

Here are some of your hot takes to back it up.

Caption this...

The book says the line of scrimmage was the KC 49. Say he was about 5 yards behind the line and BJ was about 5 yards deep in the Zone, in great position, so that would be about 60-yards in the air. There was a lot of air under it. i love Matt Leinart. I still can't believe people the...

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Matt Leinart does not look like a rookie

This Mark Linehart fella looks pretty good. :D We got a huge break when he dropped to 10. Keep investing in the O-line and we'll be set on offense for years to come.

www.arizonasportsfans.com

Kurt Warners Stats are SICKENING!!!!!!!

Games where he started and finished the game This year: Washington 2 Int's and 2 fumbles this is the only game where he started and finished the game Last year: Game One: 3 fumbles, No Int's Game Two: 4 fumbles, 1 Int Game Three: 1 fumble, 3 INT's Game Four : 1 Int, 2 fumbles BENCHED...

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[slanidrac16]

People "were told" he was a "generational talent" and now "those people" are pissed off and dead set against him until he can prove...what?

Anyone can clearly see and understand his talent and his deficiencies.

What has to happen for Kyler to be liked by the fan base? Be a top 3 QB, win the Superbowl, be Tom Brady, change his name to Josh Rosen,...what?

Kyler is neither the best QB in the NFL or the disaster that we read about on this board every single day.

Sorry , you reap what you sowed. When you act and proclaim you deserve to be paid like a top 5 Qb you need to produce or suffer the criticism.

 

[TheCardFan]

There a smattering of posters who believe he can do no wrong.

This is fake news and keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Let's call it out - who on this board thinks Kyler can do no wrong?

Prove it or let it go.

The truth is I think the majority of people on this board think Kyler can do no right. That is wrong.

 

[PlayerHater]

Kyler has been enabled by an ownership that rewards poor performance. It's pretty obvious Kyler has not been putting in the effort to get better and it's showing in bad game after bad game. In return he has been rewarded with the 3rd biggest contract of all NFL QB's. He has been able to take his raw athleticism and sell it for top dollar in a industry that is desperate for any small amount of success at the QB position.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Position over the money to be sure.

Furthermore, there is a obvious scale here. It is super easy to dissect Kyler sliding before the first down. That's on him. It is much harder to dissect:

Throws if a WR runs a wrong route.
Debating on whether player is open.
Oline blocking scheme failures. etc

We can go back & forth all day long on this sorta stuff... You clearly fall into the category of Kyler being given a raw deal from the fans (and media?). I believe., more often than not, you get that which you deserve.
There are always ample opportunities to marginalize poor play and point out other factors that "caused" the poor play. A QB being paid what Kyler is being paid, is expected to overcome whatever excuses, and win.
That said, if you were to point out the biggest hurdle Kyler faces - that being Kliff - I'd be much more sympathetic...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

We can go back & forth all day long on this sorta stuff... You clearly fall into the category of Kyler being given a raw deal from the fans (and media?). I believe., more often than not, you get that which you deserve.
There are always ample opportunities to marginalize poor play and point out other factors that "caused" the poor play. A QB being paid what Kyler is being paid, is expected to overcome whatever excuses, and win.
That said, if you were to point out the biggest hurdle Kyler faces - that being Kliff - I'd be much more sympathetic...

Yes and no. Kyler's play this year, he deserves most if not all of the criticism that he has gotten. Not sure I believe that to be the case in prior years.

 

[Shane]

This is fake news and keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Let's call it out - who on this board thinks Kyler can do no wrong?

Prove it or let it go.

The truth is I think the majority of people on this board think Kyler can do no right. That is wrong.

It’s literally plastered all over it… Crimson Warrior, You(since you seem to come running to his his aid at any criticism) or just blasting other posters for rightfully criticizing I should say… lol ur blatantly defends him. Nashman makes excuses for him during the entire game thread. Weblitz is a staunch supporter who thinks he can do no wrong and debates it constantly. I don’t need to find them and do your research for you. If you don’t want to believe the facts that’s on you. I could care less. It’s all over this board for all to see. You just have Kyler blinders to anything other than criticism.

 

[Yuma]

We can go back & forth all day long on this sorta stuff... You clearly fall into the category of Kyler being given a raw deal from the fans (and media?). I believe., more often than not, you get that which you deserve.
There are always ample opportunities to marginalize poor play and point out other factors that "caused" the poor play. A QB being paid what Kyler is being paid, is expected to overcome whatever excuses, and win.
That said, if you were to point out the biggest hurdle Kyler faces - that being Kliff - I'd be much more sympathetic...

Technically, those big bucks haven't kicked in yet.

 

[slanidrac16]

It’s literally plastered all over it… Crimson Warrior, You(since you seem to come running to his his aid at any criticism) or just blasting other posters for rightfully criticizing I should say… lol ur blatantly defends him. Nashman makes excuses for him during the entire game thread. Weblitz is a staunch supporter who thinks he can do no wrong and debates it constantly. I don’t need to find them and do your research for you. If you don’t want to believe the facts that’s on you. I could care less. It’s all over this board for all to see. You just have Kyler blunders to anything other than criticism.

Lol…. To be fair it is becoming less and less….

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Kyler has been enabled by an ownership that rewards poor performance. It's pretty obvious Kyler has not been putting in the effort to get better and it's showing in bad game after bad game. In return he has been rewarded with the 3rd biggest contract of all NFL QB's. He has been able to take his raw athleticism and sell it for top dollar in a industry that is desperate for any small amount of success at the QB position.

It starts from the top down. Keim and this front office can't even sack a god awful kicker. What is he, 2 of 10 from 40-49 yards? Freshman HS kickers are better than that.

 

[Shane]

Technically, those big bucks haven't kicked in yet.

Yes they have he got a massive signing bonus the day he signed the contract. It just doesn’t show on the books because it’s spread out over the life of contract.

 

[TRW]

The truth is I think the majority of people on this board think Kyler can do no right. That is wrong.

Prove it or let it go.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Decided to ignore the facts in my post huh?

Here are some of your hot takes to back it up.

Caption this...

The book says the line of scrimmage was the KC 49. Say he was about 5 yards behind the line and BJ was about 5 yards deep in the Zone, in great position, so that would be about 60-yards in the air. There was a lot of air under it. i love Matt Leinart. I still can't believe people the...

www.arizonasportsfans.com

Matt Leinart does not look like a rookie

This Mark Linehart fella looks pretty good. :D We got a huge break when he dropped to 10. Keep investing in the O-line and we'll be set on offense for years to come.

www.arizonasportsfans.com

Kurt Warners Stats are SICKENING!!!!!!!

Games where he started and finished the game This year: Washington 2 Int's and 2 fumbles this is the only game where he started and finished the game Last year: Game One: 3 fumbles, No Int's Game Two: 4 fumbles, 1 Int Game Three: 1 fumble, 3 INT's Game Four : 1 Int, 2 fumbles BENCHED...

www.arizonasportsfans.com

Didn’t ignore anything. Had to jump on a zoom. See my response to your “hot take” call out above.

Meanwhile, you’ve yet to show how Kyler has proven anything… again.

 

[Shane]

It starts from the top down. Keim and this front office can't even sack a god awful kicker. What is he, 2 of 10 from 40-49 yards? Freshman HS kickers are better than that.

Absolutely a top down problem no doubt about it.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Nice day here in OK. Think I might go for a walk after work.

You guys still working on deciding Kyler's fate?

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is fake news and keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Let's call it out - who on this board thinks Kyler can do no wrong?

Prove it or let it go.

The truth is I think the majority of people on this board think Kyler can do no right. That is wrong.

Finally, you’re right about something. THAT IS WRONG (for Shane!)

Truth is the majority of the people on the board want him to live up to the promise of the 1st pick in the draft and being paid like a top 3 QB. Or even come close to backing up the insipidity of his own words last season where he basically proclaimed himself Neo of the NFL Matrix.

He hasn’t done that. Period.

 

[Shane]

Finally, you’re right about something.

Truth is the majority of the people on the board want him to live up to the promise of the 1st pick in the draft and being paid like a top 3 QB.

He hasn’t done that. Period.

Well he’s not right lol I just named 5 posters from top of my head that clearly think Kyler is just fine. And all the problems lie elsewhere within the team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well he’s not right lol I just named 5 posters from top of my head that clearly think Kyler is just fine. And all the problems lie elsewhere within the team.

You missed the play on words there Shane.