Our franchise QB

[MadCardDisease]

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how could you @Shane ?

LOL @ Titanic music. Thanks I needed that!

 

[BritCard]

Good lord man, you are aware that Kliff is widely viewed as a laughingstock in American football right? Booted out of college football and mocked and ridiculed around the NFL. You odds are totally backwards, it would be nearly impossible to hire a worse coach than Kliff.

He’ll be at best a mid-tier college program offensive coordinator when the Cardinals fire him. Will likely end up on TV vs living in Pullman recruiting HS kids.

This is nothing to do with what Kliff is (although he did just have an 11 win season) and everything to do with the quality the Cards can attract.

 

[BritCard]

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[Stout]

Not completely unfair Stout. How much you have to put around him is the question.

It makes me think of Stafford. All those years in DET, he never "elevated the players around him". But you put him on a loaded Rams team, and boom, he wins a superbowl.

You can't put K1 out there with ten nobodys. You need to have more than one above average offensive lineman and one viable WR. RB could use an upgrade too!

Also rather fair.

I think it speaks volumes that you and I are starting to agree on this topic. While I enjoy the new rapport, I think the reasons driving it are very bad lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

Not completely unfair Stout. How much you have to put around him is the question.

It makes me think of Stafford. All those years in DET, he never "elevated the players around him". But you put him on a loaded Rams team, and boom, he wins a superbowl.

You can't put K1 out there with ten nobodys. You need to have more than one above average offensive lineman and one viable WR. RB could use an upgrade too!

@Stout said literally exactly what I was going to say.

The Cardinals have enough talent for Murray to be successful.

 

[Cheesebeef]

@Stout said literally exactly what I was going to say.

The Cardinals have enough talent for Murray to be successful.

Yup.

For anyone who disagrees, please tell me the ocean of talent a guy like Marcus Marriota is swimming in Atlanta leading a solid offense. How about the all-star team around rookie Zappe in NE?

I don’t think anyone here expects Kyler to make this a great offense with Hop missing. But if you’re a transcendent talent, that means you TRANSCEND obstacles to at least make a weak offense at the very least average or even just below.

This offense is TERRIBLE.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

@Stout said literally exactly what I was going to say.

The Cardinals have enough talent for Murray to be successful.

Murray averaged 10 yards a carry on 10 carries yesterday @Krang. How did rest of our rushing attack do against the worst rushing defense in the NFL?

Honest question man. I would really to hear your take on how talented was our O-line and RBs against SEA.

 

[daves]

He would improve if coaches would coddle him less and be more demanding.

Perhaps - but after Murray's huge contract extension, it would be tough for a coach to be more demanding and easy for Murray to tune Kingsbury out and do what he wants (IF that's indeed what's happening). Murray knows that if things don't work out, it's the coach who will get fired. Maybe part of the motivation behind giving Kingsbury an extension as well was to give him more clout with Murray? For now, all we can do is speculate.

...dave

 

[BullheadCardFan]

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So easy for DC's to game plan for

 

[MrYeahBut]

Not looking good. Call of Duty releases in less than two weeks. Terrible timing for the Cardinals.

I was hoping COD wouldn't drop until bye week.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Murray averaged 10 yards a carry on 10 carries yesterday @Krang. How did rest of our rushing attack do against the worst rushing defense in the NFL?

Honest question man. I would really to hear your take on how talented was our O-line and RBs against SEA.

Look at how their defense plays the Cardinals. They attack the line of scrimmage and flood the short routes to take those away from Murray.

There is nowhere to run when there are that many defenders.

How do you beat those looks? Throw the ball over the middle on intermediate routes. Murray can't beat those looks and Carroll knows that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So easy for DC's to game plan for

It is. When Murray turns into Captain checkdown he's pretty easy to defend.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Look at how their defense plays the Cardinals. They attack the line of scrimmage and flood the short routes to take those away from Murray.

There is nowhere to run when there are that many defenders.

How do you beat those looks? Throw the ball over the middle on intermediate routes. Murray can't beat those looks and Carroll knows that.

Kk.

 

[BritCard]

This is hilarious

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[Stout]

Murray averaged 10 yards a carry on 10 carries yesterday @Krang. How did rest of our rushing attack do against the worst rushing defense in the NFL?

Honest question man. I would really to hear your take on how talented was our O-line and RBs against SEA.

I'll chime in. There was no threat in the passing game, so they were able to key in on the run, IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It’s astonishing to think that Keim will get a chance to hire another head coach.

All of then offensive staff are Kliff’s guys. Do you promote Vance to HC and put the OL coach in charge of the offense?

That result is probably worse than letting Kliff finish the season, no?

That's only part of it. Yes, the team has failed him. That also doesn't absolve KM.

Kyler has failed himself, the team, and the fans, as well. Massively. Is it too late for him to get a true cold-water-in-the-face wake-up call? Probably, but that's about our only hope with him.

Why do you think it’s too late? He’s not a mid-career guy yet. If he’s willing to be honest with himself (obviously not a given) there’s plenty of time for him to course correct.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It’s the biggest part

Right he’s not without fault but like I said name me 1 player we’ve developed in the last 4 years.

Are they all at fault? Developing and knowing how to put talent in position to succeed is on the organization

And I see a huge failure

Murphy
Eno
Thompson
Zach allen
Looks like light coming on for collins

Not a lot of it, but it exists.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The same Christian Kirk who single handily cost us 2-3 games with his horrible drops and then there was the time he pulled up before the first down market

I wouldn’t consider none of these guys anything to write home about. Kirk and Edmonds ain’t even here anymore come on now.

They got developed to the point other teams threw big contracts at them. Disingenuous to ignore them given the original question.

 

[football karma]

Kyler is confounding

Brit's all-22 thread shows a qb that is lost.

The odd part: i have never seen a QB get lost / regress so much in the same system unless their protection just totally broke down. That hasnt been the case this year.

the other thing: there is clearly something wrong with his throwing. Maybe an injury. Maybe bulking up has changed his motion. Maybe his mechanics (never a strength) have regressed to the point of now impacting his form.

Historically a very accurate passer-- but he is now missing way too many basic 10-yard throws. His accuracy on the long stuff is wayyyyyyyy down vs last year. It seems like he has lost arm strength as well. I can think of only one long pass where he overthrew the intended receiver. Everything else has been short-- often terribly short.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Exactly.

This is being conveniently ignored. I'm seeing a lot of blame being thrown at Kliff and "coaching" that ignores the fact that neither has changed.

It's the same coaching that Kyler had last year when we were 7-0. Or maybe Kliff did some Extra Good (TM) coaching last year which he forgot?

We have seen progress from Kyler every year and now he takes a step back it's Kliff and coaching?

Maybe, just maybe, it's just Kyler? Maybe he phoned it in all offseason while he was waiting for his pay day. Maybe on getting paid he thought "I've made it. Let's play same COD".

Maybe he's just not a very good leader who takes ownership of this offense. Because that's what he's showing us on the field.

While I agree with this you could literally replace “kyler” with “kliff” in every sentence and I’d agree with that too. Both are equally to blame absent any inside information we don’t possess.

 

[Shane]

Kyler is confounding

Brit's all-22 thread shows a qb that is lost.

The odd part: i have never seen a QB get lost / regress so much in the same system unless their protection just totally broke down. That hasnt been the case this year.

the other thing: there is clearly something wrong with his throwing. Maybe an injury. Maybe bulking up has changed his motion. Maybe his mechanics (never a strength) have regressed to the point of now impacting his form.

Historically a very accurate passer-- but he is now missing way too many basic 10-yard throws. His accuracy on the long stuff is wayyyyyyyy down vs last year. It seems like he has lost arm strength as well. I can think of only one long pass where he overthrew the intended receiver. Everything else has been short-- often terribly short.

I am not buying an injury one iota… Literally nothing has been mentioned he hasn’t been on any type of injury report….. He’s still winging it just inaccurately…. Sooooo I’m gonna have to give that theory a hard pass.

 

[Shane]

While I agree with this you could literally replace “kyler” with “kliff” in every sentence and I’d agree with that too. Both are equally to blame absent any inside information we don’t possess.

Based off the film work Brit posted it’s hard not to lean more toward Kyler jmo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Literally just watched Frank Sanders and company asking if you look the 2TE stuff works better so why don't they play it more? His point was pretty clear, when we play multiple WR's Kliff gets "cute" and it doesn't work. when he plays 2 TE's his play calling improves because he eliminates some of those giveaway plays.

FWIW Sanders said "we can't trust Rondale."

Terrific

 

[Stout]

Why do you think it’s too late? He’s not a mid-career guy yet. If he’s willing to be honest with himself (obviously not a given) there’s plenty of time for him to course correct.

Because he's in year 4 and there are no indications he's willing to be honest with himself. If someone tells you who they are, believe them.

 

[Shane]

Because he's in year 4 and there are no indications he's willing to be honest with himself. If someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Isn’t the average NFL career like 6.5 years? So technically he is possibly in mid point???