Overall, we've had a good offseason. Right Kerr/Sarver bashers?

[dreamcastrocks]

Robin Lopez and Dragic are signed. Both look to crack the rotation. Getting Matt Barnes has to also be considered a steal at this point, with all of the defection to Europe.

I'd have to give this offseason an A-.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd give the Suns offseason an "A" at least based on how the team looks on paper. However, it is wise to consider the games are played on the court. Why try to stir up controversy with the wording of the thread title?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'd give the Suns offseason an "A" at least based on how the team looks on paper. However, it is wise to consider the games are played on the court. Why try to stir up controversy with the wording of the thread title?

I don't think that Kerr/Sarver bashers are ashamed of their feelings. I wanted this thread to be directed at those who feel that this organization is moving in the wrong direction. I want their opinions, specifically.

 

[nowagimp]

I am not assuming Lopez will be any better than skinner this year. I like that the suns have finally signed a backup PG, it only took 4 yrs, its a pity those were nashs best years. I really like the Barnes signing, but the suns failed to sign a good 3 pt shooter. Because the suns are a mediocre 3pt shooting team, they will be easier to defend in the playoffs by packing the lane, spurs style. Of the 3 signings, Barnes is the most predictable, he def helps the bench. Because the suns have done so poorly getting their man in FA over recent years, this year looks pretty good with Barnes.

The problem is that other western teams have gotten better in more definitive ways(hornets with posey, rockets with artest, portland with picks), so I dont expect the aging suns to be elite this year. I still will watch them as much as possible, but I believe that they are in denial about needing to rebuild. Its all about the ticket sales, keeping hopes high to sell tix. Just like amare was going to "come back in 4 months" from microfracture, selling tix is the name of the game. If lopez and/or dragic have breakout years, suns management will look very good in my eyes.

B is my grade

 

[nowagimp]

Why try to stir up controversy with the wording of the thread title?

it appears he's a management troll. Its like the "kobe haters" label that the lakers fans roll out.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

it appears he's a management troll. Its like the "kobe haters" label that the lakers fans roll out.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I am not assuming Lopez will be any better than skinner this year. I like that the suns have finally signed a backup PG, it only took 4 yrs, its a pity those were nashs best years. I really like the Barnes signing, but the suns failed to sign a good 3 pt shooter. Because the suns are a mediocre 3pt shooting team, they will be easier to defend in the playoffs by packing the lane, spurs style. Of the 3 signings, Barnes is the most predictable, he def helps the bench. Because the suns have done so poorly getting their man in FA over recent years, this year looks pretty good with Barnes.

The problem is that other western teams have gotten better in more definitive ways(hornets with posey, rockets with artest, portland with picks), so I dont expect the aging suns to be elite this year. I still will watch them as much as possible, but I believe that they are in denial about needing to rebuild. Its all about the ticket sales, keeping hopes high to sell tix. Just like amare was going to "come back in 4 months" from microfracture, selling tix is the name of the game. If lopez and/or dragic have breakout years, suns management will look very good in my eyes.

B is my grade

I can understand a B grade too. We should all be happy as it is better than we have done the past couple offseasons....

 

[nowagimp]

I can understand a B grade too. We should all be happy as it is better than we have done the past couple offseasons....

Yep, I'll take the B and be happy. Sure beats KT and 2 #1's for cash.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yep, I'll take the B and be happy. Sure beats KT and 2 #1's for cash.

 

[Chaplin]

Once again, a case of overrating a big man on this site. Skinner was serviceable, but he certainly doesn't have as many intangibles as Robin seems to have. I would have liked to keep Skinner, but if I had to make the choice between the two, Robin Lopez would be the choice. Skinner was a big guy, but he didn't inspire fear in opponents, and someone his age needs to do that to make up for his weaknesses. I used to cringe when he'd take that baseline 12-15 footer--he was no Kurt Thomas, that's for sure. The most anyone ever said about him had to do with that goatee.

 

[JS22]

I probably would have worded this thread title differently.

"For everyone that does not like Kerr and Sarver, was this offseason a success?"

 

[BirdMan21]

I will give it a B+/A- simply because I did not expect us to do much other than draft someone with our first round pick. So to get another solid rotation player in Barnes and maybe a backup PG in Dragic I am pretty suprised. With the team being as cash strapped as we are, I think this is about as good of an offseason as we could hope for.

 

[Irish]

Since anything less than a championship will mean a failing grade, I'm sure Kerr bashers will never give more than an incomplete.

Seriously, I give Kerr credit for addressing all the issues this team had:

1. Shot blocking defender to back up Shaq who is taller than 6'9".

2. Backup point guard who is althletic, runs the floor and plays defense.

3. A backup for Hill

4. Energy guys off the bench

5. Younp players with some upside

6. Guys with defensive intensity

It would be nice to have someone like Skinner on the bench, but for short minutes Amundson should be a good substitute as the 5th inside guy. The Suns needed to take an active big just for the future and there was no reason to believe Skinner would be hugely better than Lopez this season.

It took a while, but it seemed obvious to everyone that GG would get a lot more money in Europe - which he did.

Bottom line is that they made serious attempts to address their needs and were willing to pay LT to do it. Maybe these moves won't work, but I can't see there any options THIS SUMMER likely to have worked out better.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I probably would have worded this thread title differently.

"For everyone that does not like Kerr and Sarver, was this offseason a success?"

I hear ya. I didn't think that the term "Kerr/Sarver bashers was a put down though. It's like the Q is a God crowd.... people seem to be proud of it.

 

[Mulli]

Ask me when two of the "major acquisitions" have played in a few NBA games.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ask me when two of the "major acquisitions" have played in a few NBA games.

 

[HooverDam]

Once again, a case of overrating a big man on this site. Skinner was serviceable, but he certainly doesn't have as many intangibles as Robin seems to have. I would have liked to keep Skinner, but if I had to make the choice between the two, Robin Lopez would be the choice. Skinner was a big guy, but he didn't inspire fear in opponents, and someone his age needs to do that to make up for his weaknesses. I used to cringe when he'd take that baseline 12-15 footer--he was no Kurt Thomas, that's for sure. The most anyone ever said about him had to do with that goatee.

You'd rather take a totally unproven guy who everyone thinks has a low ceiling, who averaged only 5 boards per game in college, and has no offensive skills over Skinner? Skinner isn't great, he's not KT even, but I can't imagine wanting Lopez over him.

I'd give the Suns offseason a C+. I hate the Lopez pick and think they should've tried harder to trade up, or picked someone else. I like the Dragic signing, but its a bit scary that he's going to be the main PG backup and that the Suns failed at their plan of having him start as a number 3 guy. They failed at bringing in a veteran PG.

I like the Barnes signing, but I'm not sure how much credit the front office gets for that one. The market was really weird this off season, no one had any money to spend, so the Suns were probably a good fit for Barnes skill set.

They didn't address the need for an additional 3 point shooter, I sure hope DJ and Alando have improved in that department.

 

[Chaplin]

You'd rather take a totally unproven guy who everyone thinks has a low ceiling, who averaged only 5 boards per game in college, and has no offensive skills over Skinner? Skinner isn't great, he's not KT even, but I can't imagine wanting Lopez over him.

I'd give the Suns offseason a C+. I hate the Lopez pick and think they should've tried harder to trade up, or picked someone else. I like the Dragic signing, but its a bit scary that he's going to be the main PG backup and that the Suns failed at their plan of having him start as a number 3 guy. They failed at bringing in a veteran PG.

I like the Barnes signing, but I'm not sure how much credit the front office gets for that one. The market was really weird this off season, no one had any money to spend, so the Suns were probably a good fit for Barnes skill set.

They didn't address the need for an additional 3 point shooter, I sure hope DJ and Alando have improved in that department.

I don't know why you wouldn't want a more mobile center who is more athletic than Skinner (by a large margin), and is young and full of potential. And can probably play the pick and roll a lot better than Skinner and even Shaq.

In a perfect world, we'd have both.

 

[TRW]

I give it an incomplete. Too many unproven players were acquired and coaches hired. Don't misunderstand my post though, I am cautiously optimistic about the new guys. But, they could just as easily dash that if they don't pan out.

1 player who's game can be defined by experience IN THE NBA in Barnes.

1 player who's game cannot be defined by experience IN THE NBA because of its brevity in Amundson. Although, I am happy that he took the spot Marks probably would have taken He may be just as bad but at least he's young and MAY have potential.

2 players who's games cannot be defined IN THE NBA because they haven't played a game yet in Lopez and the "Euro Savior" Dragic. Lots of hype and hopes, we'll see how they pan out.

One last question is Porter's and the new staff's ability to coach the team. Was Porter given a raw deal with the Bucks or is he not that good as a head coach?

Still, I am really looking forward to the upcoming season. I hope that the grade will be an A+ at the end of the year!

Go Suns!!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

man, if the offseason is deemed good because the Suns finally used the draft and signed Barnes, then the bar has been set pretty low for Kerr and Sarver at this point. I LOVE the Barnes signing, but I'm not crazy about either draft pick (especially Lopez at 15), and they failed to get a veteran PG because they envisioned Dragic as a 3rd PG. So, I it looks like a C+ off-season to me right now. Does it have potential to be a good offseason? Sure if both of those guys pan out, but couldn't almost every team who made use of the draft say that?

I will say this. I am happy that the Suns targeted Dragic and did whatever it took to get him, including ponying up the dough. And while I think spending the dough this year is a case of too little too late as our window has slammed shut, it makes me feel a little bit better about the future that Sarver won't be as much of a tight-ass with the purse strings as I feared he would be.

 

[nowagimp]

I will say this. I am happy that the Suns targeted Dragic and did whatever it took to get him, including ponying up the dough. And while I think spending the dough this year is a case of too little too late as our window has slammed shut, it makes me feel a little bit better about the future that Sarver won't be as much of a tight-ass with the purse strings as I feared he would be.

Yeah its a little too late for a championship, like by 2 years. Barnes(or salmons) on the 06-07 team would have nit the spot. I will enjoy watching new player development, but that usually happens when teams know they arent there. I am under no illusions that this suns team can run the western conference playoff gauntlet and survive.

 

[JCSunsfan]

"A" on execution of the plan.

Incomplete on the results of the plan.

So far, OK.

The biggest off-season change is in the coaching staff. We just have many, many unknowns right now. I expect the transition will be a little rough. There will be many on this board that will be thinking about jumping off tall buildings by Christmas.

 

[nowagimp]

Nah! all the guys that wanted DA gone will be happy regardless of the suns progress or lack thereof.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nah! all the guys that wanted DA gone will be happy regardless of the suns progress or lack thereof.

I was kind of hoping they would be the ones jumping off Christmas trees.

 

[Cheesewater]

You'd rather take a totally unproven guy who everyone thinks has a low ceiling, who averaged only 5 boards per game in college, and has no offensive skills over Skinner? Skinner isn't great, he's not KT even, but I can't imagine wanting Lopez over him.

Everyone?

I'd give the Suns offseason a C+. I hate the Lopez pick and think they should've tried harder to trade up, or picked someone else.

Maybe they did.

I like the Dragic signing, but its a bit scary that he's going to be the main PG backup and that the Suns failed at their plan of having him start as a number 3 guy. They failed at bringing in a veteran PG.

Why do you hate the future?

I like the Barnes signing, but I'm not sure how much credit the front office gets for that one. The market was really weird this off season, no one had any money to spend, so the Suns were probably a good fit for Barnes skill set.

Yeah, Barnes wrote the contract and made all the calls himself. The Suns just walked into the arena one day and Barnes was there at a sewing machine stitching his name on the back of a jersey.

They didn't address the need for an additional 3 point shooter, I sure hope DJ and Alando have improved in that department.

The Suns did A, B, and C but they didn't do D so...FAIL!