Overall, we've had a good offseason. Right Kerr/Sarver bashers?

[Irish]

I am pretty disgusted with the tone of the anti-Lopez crowd. Year after year they complain the Suns don't pay any attention to defense and only take mid sized guys. Now they take a really long, athletic big defense specialist and all we get is complaints.

What does Lopez bring that Skinner didn't. How about at 9'5" reach on a guy who has very good mobility and a reputation for a great motor?

Robin's college stats have to be understood in context due to playing with Brook. Offensively Brook was the focus on the Standord offense so Robin took half as many field toal attempts, but hit 53.4% (Brooke made 46.8%).

On defense, Brook played center in a zone and the team had another good rebounder in Lawrence Hill on the front line. Robin was better on the ofensive glass than the defensive, but he should be a solid rebounder.as that will be an emphaisis on the Suns.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Robin-Lopez-1073/

Defensively, Lopez has outstanding potential, and already makes quite an impact at the NCAA level. He’s a fiery player, much more emotional that his brother, and will get caught up in moments when he looks possessed on the defensive end—getting low in his stance on the perimeter, smothering players with his length, contesting every shot, being extremely physical, and locking up the paint with his terrific shot-blocking skills. His intensity seems to waver a bit, though, at times giving up far too much space for players to establish position in the post, biting on pump-fakes, and doing an extremely poor job defending the pick and roll. If he learns how to maintain the same intensity for every minute he’s on the floor, he will at the very least be a terrific big man for an NBA team to be able to bring off the bench and provide energy, particularly with his shot-blocking skills.

Who else in the 1st round offered any of that on defense? There were a bunch of good scorers, but none of the guys over 6'10" got reviews for being hard working, energetic, or have an emphasis on defense.

As for Skinner, there is nothing wrong with him that an extra 4 inches wouldn't cure. He's not skilled enough to be a classic PF nor tall enough to be a classic center.

 

[HooverDam]

Everyone?

Everyone who's seen Lopez play in college and knows anything about basketball yes. No one who's sane thinks Lopez will be a superstar, All Star or even near All Star. He's a career role/bench player at best according to most experts. Theres an extremely small chance he'll do better than those projections, but its not likely.

Maybe they did.

Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt? What have they done to deserve that? We heard NOTHING about them trying to move up with much intensity. We also know they loved Robin Lopez, so when they saw him falling their direction, why would they have tried to move up?

Why do you hate the future?

What does this even mean? I want the Suns to win now and win tomorrow, I'm a Suns fan. I've been pissed the last few years that they've sold draft picks and not looked towards the future at all. Hoping that a young European with very little experience could be slowly worked into the NBA isn't 'hating the future', its protecting the future.

Yeah, Barnes wrote the contract and made all the calls himself. The Suns just walked into the arena one day and Barnes was there at a sewing machine stitching his name on the back of a jersey.

I'm sorry, but this is idiotic. Where did I imply anything like that? If you're Matt Barnes, you know your skill set, and you know theres certain teams its going to work best with. Further, you know which teams have a need at your position, you also know that not many teams have money this year, so your options are limited. Its not like the Suns got into some great bidding war for Barnes, the Suns were one of Barnes only few logical choices. This doesn't make it a bad signing, its a good signing, I like it, it likely wasn't a difficult signing. Just like the Grant Hill deal, Hill wanted to come here specifically and was willing to take a pay cut, so we can't get too excited about the front office landing him.

The Suns did A, B, and C but they didn't do D so...FAIL!

Right, because a C+ is a failing grade. Did they get a backup big who can play at an NBA level? We don't know, so thats an incomplete. Did they get a capable backup PG? We don't know, so thats an incomplete. Did they get a backup SF? Yes, so good job there. Did they get more 3 point shooting? Nope, F in that category.

So you've got an A in one category, and F in another and two unknowns so Ill give those C's, so it averages out to about a C+ to me. How is that a laughable or crazy grade?

 

[SirStefan32]

I like what Kerr did this offseason. Suns had 3 major needs- a PG, a big man, and another guard/small forward. They took care of all 3 major needs. What I like more than anything else is a change in philosophy. All 4 signings are guys who play defense. We don't know how everything is going to work out, but on paper, this team looks good.

Obviously, I would feel better if they signed Giricek for additional shooting and defense, if they kept Skinner, and especially if they signed another veteran point guard, just in case, but I am quite happy with this offseason. Granted, I never had anything against Sarver and Kerr. I actually like what Kerr is doing- turning a "no D" team into a defensive team, adding big men. What I really like about Kerr is that he has guts. He liked Shaq, so he traded Marion for him. He liked Dragic, he spent a lot of money (Sarver's money, granted) to get him. Say what you will about Kerr, but he has some balls, that's for sure.

 

[Irish]

I like what Kerr did this offseason. Suns had 3 major needs- a PG, a big man, and another guard/small forward. They took care of all 3 major needs. What I like more than anything else is a change in philosophy. All 4 signings are guys who play defense. We don't know how everything is going to work out, but on paper, this team looks good.

Obviously, I would feel better if they signed Giricek for additional shooting and defense, if they kept Skinner, and especially if they signed another veteran point guard, just in case, but I am quite happy with this offseason. Granted, I never had anything against Sarver and Kerr. I actually like what Kerr is doing- turning a "no D" team into a defensive team, adding big men. What I really like about Kerr is that he has guts. He liked Shaq, so he traded Marion for him. He liked Dragic, he spent a lot of money (Sarver's money, granted) to get him. Say what you will about Kerr, but he has some balls, that's for sure.

I think you right on target.

I think this team is going to play defense. It could be a real shock to many people.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am pretty disgusted with the tone of the anti-Lopez crowd. Year after year they complain the Suns don't pay any attention to defense and only take mid sized guys. Now they take a really long, athletic big defense specialist and all we get is complaints.

just cause they took a big guy, doesn't mean everyone has to agree that he's going to be good George.

 

[Cheesewater]

Everyone who's seen Lopez play in college and knows anything about basketball yes. No one who's sane thinks Lopez will be a superstar, All Star or even near All Star. He's a career role/bench player at best according to most experts. Theres an extremely small chance he'll do better than those projections, but its not likely.

I'm going to guess that you are sometimes simply incapable of constructing a sentence without using hyperbole. Otherwise I would ask that you show me the testimony of "most experts" to support your pronouncement.

Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt? What have they done to deserve that? We heard NOTHING about them trying to move up with much intensity. We also know they loved Robin Lopez, so when they saw him falling their direction, why would they have tried to move up?

Quite plainly, they know more about basketball than I do. I can see you are unwilling to admit that. Just because you "heard NOTHING" doesn't mean it didn't exist.

What does this even mean? I want the Suns to win now and win tomorrow, I'm a Suns fan. I've been pissed the last few years that they've sold draft picks and not looked towards the future at all. Hoping that a young European with very little experience could be slowly worked into the NBA isn't 'hating the future', its protecting the future.

I got that you would have rather had whatever broken down old veteran point guard was available than Goran Dragic. I guess I misunderstood there.

I'm sorry, but this is idiotic. Where did I imply anything like that?

It's clear to me you don't credit the front office for the Barnes deal, so what I did there was use your good friend hyperbole to illustrate that deals are a two way street (sometimes more that two ways).

Right, because a C+ is a failing grade. Did they get a backup big who can play at an NBA level? We don't know, so thats an incomplete. Did they get a capable backup PG? We don't know, so thats an incomplete. Did they get a backup SF? Yes, so good job there. Did they get more 3 point shooting? Nope, F in that category.

So you've got an A in one category, and F in another and two unknowns so Ill give those C's, so it averages out to about a C+ to me. How is that a laughable or crazy grade?

The laughing icon and subsequent comment was my response to the everything-Kerr-and-Sarver-do-is-wrong-and-bad-for-the-Suns tenor that tries to hang on despite the acheivements, one by one, in this offseason. I didn't mean A B C D in terms of grades...here, I'll rewrite it:

The Suns did this, this, and that but not THAT so they FAIL!

See? They got a young, active defensive help at the 4/5. They got active defensive and offensive veteran bench help. They got a young, defensive heady back up point guard. But they didn't get a three point shooter so they know nothing about basketball, right?

Offseason isn't over yet.

 

[Chaplin]

just cause they took a big guy, doesn't mean everyone has to agree that he's going to be good George.

But nobody is touting Lopez as being a future All-Star either. If you don't agree he's going to be a good player, that's fine, but there were no big men after him that were a better "sure thing". I see no reason to a) slam anyone for being cautiously optimistic, or b) start saying that those of us that like the pick think he's going to be a star. Hoover is using extreme exaggeration to support an opinion that doesn't need it.

 

[HooverDam]

I'm going to guess that you are sometimes simply incapable of constructing a sentence without using hyperbole. Otherwise I would ask that you show me the testimony of "most experts" to support your pronouncement.

Go rewatch the NBA draft, read any draft sites profiles of Robin Lopez, read ESPNs write up of him, etc. No one thinks Lopez is going to be a star, he's going to be a roleplayer at best, why are you arguing that?

Quite plainly, they know more about basketball than I do. I can see you are unwilling to admit that. Just because you "heard NOTHING" doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Again, you've completely dodged my question. What has Steve Kerr done to earn the benefit of the doubt? Sure, I'll admit there's a chance the Suns tried to move up, but usually that sort of thing comes out and you hear about it. Logic tells us that the Suns saw Lopez, the guy they wanted, falling to them, so why would they try to move up?

I got that you would have rather had whatever broken down old veteran point guard was available than Goran Dragic. I guess I misunderstood there.

Again, why do you keep trying to put words into my mouth? Are you that stupid? I was hoping (like most Suns fans with a brain) that the Suns would sign Dragic, but also have a Veteran PG so that Dragic wouldn't have too much pressure on him, and he can slowly work his way in. I was hoping Dragic would be in a situation like Nash was early in his career, thats obviously a good thing for most young players.

It's clear to me you don't credit the front office for the Barnes deal, so what I did there was use your good friend hyperbole to illustrate that deals are a two way street (sometimes more that two ways).

What part of me saying it was a nice signing for the Suns, and giving them an A for it isn't clear to you?

The Suns did this, this, and that but not THAT so they FAIL!

Again, where did I say they failed? I said they did a pretty average job this off season. They did fail at bringing in more outside shooting, do you disagree?

See? They got a young, active defensive help at the 4/5. They got active defensive and offensive veteran bench help. They got a young, defensive heady back up point guard. But they didn't get a three point shooter so they know nothing about basketball, right?

Offseason isn't over yet.

You're putting a lot of faith into a guy who didn't accomplish much in college, a guy who's a career end of the bencher, and a very young European without much experience. I hope they all pan out, but right now we don't know if they will. Barnes is the only guy the Suns picked up this off season that we know exactly what we're getting.

Again, let me make this clear: I think Steve Kerr and the Suns front office did an average job this offseason. I would rate it as a C, a.k.a., an average grade. I did not say ANYWHERE that the offseason was a failure

. Hoover is using extreme exaggeration to support an opinion that doesn't need it.

Where? I'm saying that Lopez might be a role player, and Cheesewater seems to be disagreeing. Is this an inaccurate assessment of whats going on in this thread?

Lets look back, I said, everyone thinks Robin Lopez has a low ceiling. Cheeswater said "Everyone?". Does this not imply that he thinks that himself and others think Lopez doesn't have a low ceiling? I'd say that being a career role player, and off the bench hustler is a low ceiling. So perhaps its the definition of 'low ceiling' is the sticking point here.

 

[Irish]

In my Tucker/Strawberry thread I siad I hope Tucker emerges as a real three point shooter, http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/tucker-and-strawberry-117248.html; but other than last year's D-Leage and summer league (just 4 of 9 in 4 games) is not enough to draw any conclusions.

If Barnes, Tucker, or someone else does not emerge; THEN the Suns may need to make a trade.

 

[Cheesewater]

Go rewatch the NBA draft, read any draft sites profiles of Robin Lopez, read ESPNs write up of him, etc. No one thinks Lopez is going to be a star, he's going to be a roleplayer at best, why are you arguing that?

YOU are making the assertions, YOU look it up. I never said he was going to be a star. You said that everyone who knows anything thinks Lopez has a low ceiling.

Again, you've completely dodged my question. What has Steve Kerr done to earn the benefit of the doubt? Sure, I'll admit there's a chance the Suns tried to move up, but usually that sort of thing comes out and you hear about it. Logic tells us that the Suns saw Lopez, the guy they wanted, falling to them, so why would they try to move up?

Your question was "Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?" and I answered with "they know more about basketball than I do" how is that completely dodging the question? It isn't. It is directly answering it.

Again, why do you keep trying to put words into my mouth? Are you that stupid? I was hoping (like most Suns fans with a brain) that the Suns would sign Dragic, but also have a Veteran PG so that Dragic wouldn't have too much pressure on him, and he can slowly work his way in. I was hoping Dragic would be in a situation like Nash was early in his career, thats obviously a good thing for most young players.

I said that I must have misunderstood you. How much more plain can I make that? Read the whole entry. Sheesh.

What part of me saying it was a nice signing for the Suns, and giving them an A for it isn't clear to you?

Wait. Now you're giving the front office credit for signing Barnes? I thought you were indicating that it just fell in their laps and they shouldn't get too much credit.

Again, where did I say they failed? I said they did a pretty average job this off season. They did fail at bringing in more outside shooting, do you disagree?

Using the word FAIL is a common internet meme.

You're putting a lot of faith into a guy who didn't accomplish much in college,

He was in college for two years. How much do you want for a guy playing behind the eventual 10th pick in the draft? He looks active, defensive-minded, athletically skilled for the position, and professional basketball scouts think he's worth the 15th pick in the 2008 NBA Draft. While you don't know how much faith I'm putting in, those are enough for me to be optimistic.

a guy who's a career end of the bencher,

"end of the bencher?" Now he's worse than Eric Piatkowski? Out of a possible 246 games in the last 3 years, Barnes has played in 205. Piatkowski? 56. Which is it, an "A" signing for the Suns or "a career end of the bencher"?

and a very young European without much experience. I hope they all pan out, but right now we don't know if they will. Barnes is the only guy the Suns picked up this off season that we know exactly what we're getting.

Yes. All the underclassmen you might think the Suns could have picked or traded up to pick are equally unknown. Giving a grade for so much unknown assumes a level of knowledge one simply does not have. As for Dragic, he's got nearly 5 years professional basketball experience.

Again, let me make this clear: I think Steve Kerr and the Suns front office did an average job this offseason. I would rate it as a C, a.k.a., an average grade. I did not say ANYWHERE that the offseason was a failure

Okay. All things being equal, what should the Suns have done to get an "A" from you for the offseason so far?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Robin Lopez and Dragic are signed. Both look to crack the rotation. Getting Matt Barnes has to also be considered a steal at this point, with all of the defection to Europe.

I'd have to give this offseason an A-.

I give it a solid B with a potential to be an A if our rookies step up. The Barnes signing is just perfect. Big fan of him as a player.

 

[Cheesewater]

Go rewatch the NBA draft, read any draft sites profiles of Robin Lopez, read ESPNs write up of him, etc. No one thinks Lopez is going to be a star, he's going to be a roleplayer at best, why are you arguing that?

Searching Google for "Robin Lopez ESPN" I get a page of ESPN's DraftTracker. Here you go:

Robin Lopez

Chad Ford's Analysis: Insider Only

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Draft Projection: Lottery to mid first round

Is "Lottery" Greek for "low ceiling"?

 

[JCSunsfan]

When I first heard that the Suns were going to draft Lopez, I hated it.

When I saw the alternatives at the 15 pick, a accepted it as the best option.

When I saw the way Kerr and Griff were tarketing Lopez (in the war room tape) I was interested.

When I saw his interviews and watched his production in the summer league, I was intrigued.

When I heard about how well he fared on the USA select team (facing a team that is better than he will face anywhere else, ever) I became mildly optimistic.

When I see how much hate he is getting on this board, I can't wait to see him.

When it finally dawned on me that the Suns have two seven foot plus players that should be in the every night rotation, I was shocked.

 

[SirStefan32]

When it finally dawned on me that the Suns have two seven foot plus players that should be in the every night rotation, I was shocked.

Not only that, but those two seven footers will play alongside the most dominant power forward in the league.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But nobody is touting Lopez as being a future All-Star either.

so what? that has nothing to do with why I said to George what I said. George labeled a group of people ANTI, then called their attitudes disgusting and then implied they were hypocrites as well because they always wanted a big man, got one and were still complaining. That's all my comment was about. The simple fact that just drafting a big man doesn't matter if you think he's the wrong big man. People are entitled to that opinion.

If you don't agree he's going to be a good player, that's fine, but there were no big men after him that were a better "sure thing".

again, so what? Have I said people don't have the right to think he'll be good?

I see no reason to a) slam anyone for being cautiously optimistic, or b) start saying that those of us that like the pick think he's going to be a star. Hoover is using extreme exaggeration to support an opinion that doesn't need it.

great, so quote Hoover and tell him. Why bring me into this? I'm not Hoover's keeper, nor have I even backed him up in any argument here. Weird.

 

[HooverDam]

YOU are making the assertions, YOU look it up. I never said he was going to be a star. You said that everyone who knows anything thinks Lopez has a low ceiling.

Then what did you mean when you quoted me and said "Everyone?". If you don't think he has a low ceiling like most people do, shouldn't you be the one to explain that?

Your question was "Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?" and I answered with "they know more about basketball than I do" how is that completely dodging the question? It isn't. It is directly answering it.

Well then you and I have different standards when it comes to someone earning our trust. I haven't seen Kerr make a lot of great moves yet, so I have no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt in any situation.

Wait. Now you're giving the front office credit for signing Barnes? I thought you were indicating that it just fell in their laps and they shouldn't get too much credit.

I've always given them credit for the signing, my point was that it wasn't some great steal or difficult signing to make. The Shaq trade (even though I didn't like it) I'd give them credit for having the balls to pull off. The Barnes signing was more of a 'well duh' kind of signing, if that makes sense.

"end of the bencher?" Now he's worse than Eric Piatkowski? Out of a possible 246 games in the last 3 years, Barnes has played in 205. Piatkowski? 56. Which is it, an "A" signing for the Suns or "a career end of the bencher"?

Sorry I wasn't being clear, I was referring to Louis Amundson there not Barnes.

Okay. All things being equal, what should the Suns have done to get an "A" from you for the offseason so far?

Signed a veteran PG, resigned Brian Skinner (or signed someone else like him) in addition to bringing in unproven guys like Lopez and Dragic. Now that probably would've meant moving someone like Diaw to clear salary, which is obviously a difficult thing to do, but being a GM is difficult, and so should earning an "A" grade be.

Searching Google for "Robin Lopez ESPN" I get a page of ESPN's DraftTracker. Here you go:



Is "Lottery" Greek for "low ceiling"?

When does being picked in the lottery mean you're guaranteed to be a terrific player? This draft was pretty weak after the top few picks and big guys are always over valued in the draft. Being picked 15 doesn't have any baring on whether or not he'll be more than a role player.

Again, when I saw 'low ceiling' I mean to say that I think he'll peak as a Skinner type player. Now, I like Skinner, so I think thats not a bad thing at all, its just frustrating to get that with a mid 1st round pick. Especially when you factor in that the pick was supposed to make up for losing Johnson (though a big portion of that was just dumb luck w/ the Hawks getting #3 last year).

 

[Griffin]

Two years ago, we signed Banks to a contract that appeared to be below his market value. We finally had our back-up PG locked up for many years. That was a great move on paper, but it didn't pan out. So how can anyone really grade an off-season before even a single regular season game is played? Sure, on paper it doesn't look bad, certainly better than when we sold our picks and gave away more picks with KT. But aside from Barnes who looks like a solid pickup, the other players we've added are unknowns at this point. There have been many players like Lopez drafted early that turned out to be complete busts. It doesn't mean that Lopez will be a bust, but it's a possibility. Same goes for Dragic. So even on paper this roster still has too many question marks.

I give then E for effort in trying to address all the needs with the players they think will be able to fill them, but time will tell whether these moves were the correct ones. After all, no one would give the management credit for signing a player like Banks, even though that move was intended to fill the same need, even though that move looked great on paper.

 

[Cheesewater]

Then what did you mean when you quoted me and said "Everyone?". If you don't think he has a low ceiling like most people do, shouldn't you be the one to explain that?

No. You said "everyone" and I want to see your citations. You have the burden of proof on the "everyone" claim, so I don't go look it up, you provide it.

Signed a veteran PG, resigned Brian Skinner (or signed someone else like him) in addition to bringing in unproven guys like Lopez and Dragic. Now that probably would've meant moving someone like Diaw to clear salary, which is obviously a difficult thing to do, but being a GM is difficult, and so should earning an "A" grade be.

I'm not being snarky here but what veteran PG do you think the Suns could have managed to get (and there is still time on this, too)? I would think Skinner or someone like him would have a hard time acquiescing to whatever piecemeal minutes he'd get...particularly if anyone else has a better offer for him.

When does being picked in the lottery mean you're guaranteed to be a terrific player? This draft was pretty weak after the top few picks and big guys are always over valued in the draft. Being picked 15 doesn't have any baring on whether or not he'll be more than a role player.

We were discussing projections and you said everyone has Lopez pegged with a low ceiling or being a bench guy and you said to go check ESPN for proof. In the first place I looked, Chad Ford says lottery to mid first round. So I was indicating that it was odd that a player with a low ceiling, a bench guy, would be projected as a lottery pick. Furthermore, if all that is left at 15 in the weak draft is a role player, who did you want?

 

[dodie53]

the offseason was OK coz it addressed the suns' needs (back up C, SF and PG).

now,
i wouldn't mind a trade for an all-star SG for diaw and LB

 

[Cheesebeef]

Two years ago, we signed Banks to a contract that appeared to be below his market value. We finally had our back-up PG locked up for many years. That was a great move on paper, but it didn't pan out. So how can anyone really grade an off-season before even a single regular season game is played? Sure, on paper it doesn't look bad, certainly better than when we sold our picks and gave away more picks with KT. But aside from Barnes who looks like a solid pickup, the other players we've added are unknowns at this point. There have been many players like Lopez drafted early that turned out to be complete busts. It doesn't mean that Lopez will be a bust, but it's a possibility. Same goes for Dragic. So even on paper this roster still has too many question marks.

I give then E for effort in trying to address all the needs with the players they think will be able to fill them, but time will tell whether these moves were the correct ones. After all, no one would give the management credit for signing a player like Banks, even though that move was intended to fill the same need, even though that move looked great on paper.

that's very well said.

 

[BC867]

When it finally dawned on me that the Suns have two seven foot plus players that should be in the every night rotation, I was shocked.

Not only that, but those two seven footers will play alongside the most dominant power forward in the league.

That is music to my ears, guys.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't really get this whole argument. The Suns chose the best players that were available in the first and second rounds. And both players have the capability of being quality players in two of the most important positions on the court, center and PG. Now it may not work out but it sure looks good to me now and neither player has done anything to disappoint. I think criticism should be reserved for much later if warranted.

 

[HooverDam]

No. You said "everyone" and I want to see your citations. You have the burden of proof on the "everyone" claim, so I don't go look it up, you provide it.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Robin-Lopez-1073/

Draft Express compares him to Joakhim Noah, thats damning with faint praise if I do say so myself. They list 'potential' and 'defensive potential' as strengths, but aren't terribly specific about how much potential. They also say he's a project and say he's a good but not a great athlete.

http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/robinlopez.html

NBADraft.net compares him to Anderson Varajo. They rate him at an 8 on their potential scale, but don't really seem to say why. Its odd that they'd give him such a high numerical score, but compare him to a not so great player.

Like I said, on every draft site, on every ESPN broadcast, everyone compares him to various dirt worker role players. No one is comparing him to any stars, or anyone even close to that. Thats all fine and good, every team needs role players, its just disappointing when viewed through the prism of losing Joe Johnson for Diaw and Lopez. It would've been nice (and worthy of an "A" grade, remember, "A" means, excellent, excelling, far above average) if they could've moved Diaw and/or moved up in the draft.

I'm not being snarky here but what veteran PG do you think the Suns could have managed to get (and there is still time on this, too)? I would think Skinner or someone like him would have a hard time acquiescing to whatever piecemeal minutes he'd get...particularly if anyone else has a better offer for him.

I have no way of knowing what deals the Suns have had on the table, so thats a tough question to answer. But again, you seem to be saying 'why are you giving the Suns a C grade, it would've been tough to do better than they did.' But no one in academia says "Well the test was tough, and I didn't have time to study, they should've factored that in and given me an A." The Suns did an average job, I think if you asked Rich Bucher or any other ESPN Insider type, they'd say the same. The Suns filled one of their needs very well (back up SF), two of their needs marginally well (back up PG and C) and one of their needs not at all (more perimeter shooting).

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't really get this whole argument. The Suns chose the best players that were available in the first and second rounds. And both players have the capability of being quality players in two of the most important positions on the court, center and PG. Now it may not work out but it sure looks good to me now and neither player has done anything to disappoint. I think criticism should be reserved for much later if warranted.

Some people just can not be happy. No matter what Kerr does, the select few will always find a way to complain about it. Suns needed a pg, a big man and a sg/sf, and they got all 3. These people are still not happy.

 

[SirStefan32]

The Suns did an average job, I think if you asked Rich Bucher or any other ESPN Insider type, they'd say the same. The Suns filled one of their needs very well (back up SF), two of their needs marginally well (back up PG and C) and one of their needs not at all (more perimeter shooting).

I see. Kerr should have signed Chris Paul as a backup PG, Dwight Howard as a back up big man, and Ray Allen as an additional shooter- All for vet minimum.
Yeah, you are right, Kerr is an idiot. Why didn't he think of signing those guys for vet minimum?