Owens trade, WHY CAN'T WE GET MOSS!!!

[Jetstream Green]

If the Ravens can get TO with their second round pick, well why the hell can't we take Moss off of the Vikings hands for our even better 2nd round pick. Its possible... DAMN THE KOOL-AID... Give them Johnson and our 2nd round pick. We won't have to gamble at WR in the draft and maybe get a stud defensive player even if we trade down some spots to get a second round pick again. Where is the vodka for the kool-aid.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by Jetstream Green
If the Ravens can get TO with their second round pick, well why the hell can't we take Moss off of the Vikings hands for our even better 2nd round pick. Its possible... DAMN THE KOOL-AID... Give them Johnson and our 2nd round pick. We won't have to gamble at WR in the draft and maybe get a stud defensive player even if we trade down some spots to get a second round pick again. Where is the vodka for the kool-aid.

A rolling Cardinal gathers no Moss!

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by Jetstream Green
If the Ravens can get TO with their second round pick, well why the hell can't we take Moss off of the Vikings hands for our even better 2nd round pick. Its possible... DAMN THE KOOL-AID... Give them Johnson and our 2nd round pick. We won't have to gamble at WR in the draft and maybe get a stud defensive player even if we trade down some spots to get a second round pick again. Where is the vodka for the kool-aid.

Cause Graves is clueless.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

I bet they'd want Quan and a draft pick for Moss, and I don't like that idea.

 

[Ryanwb]

screw moss, we need defense.

 

[joeshmo]

Originally posted by Jetstream Green
If the Ravens can get TO with their second round pick, well why the hell can't we take Moss off of the Vikings hands for our even better 2nd round pick. Its possible... DAMN THE KOOL-AID... Give them Johnson and our 2nd round pick. We won't have to gamble at WR in the draft and maybe get a stud defensive player even if we trade down some spots to get a second round pick again. Where is the vodka for the kool-aid.

Some reason why.

1. It is only a rumor that the Vikes even want to trade Moss. They have yet to come out and say it yet.

2. Moss is a better prospect, he is a lot younger and puts up better numbers.

3. With the Contract that moss has that he recently signed the Vikings would have to eat a huge portion of there cap space because of the excelerated signing bonus which ball park figure I beleive is at least 10 mill. Althoght the vikings have a ton of cap space left McCombs is even cheaper then Billy.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by Oran
I bet they'd want Quan and a draft pick for Moss, and I don't like that idea.

Quan for Moss? No thanks.

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Re: Owens trade, WHY CAN'T WE GET MOSS!!!

Originally posted by joeshmo
Some reason why.

3. With the Contract that moss has that he recently signed the Vikings would have to eat a huge portion of there cap space because of the excelerated signing bonus which ball park figure I beleive is at least 10 mill. Althoght the vikings have a ton of cap space left McCombs is even cheaper then Billy.

From Mortenson after the deal was signed in 2001.

Mort breaks down Moss' deal:
Signing bonus: $10 million ($7 million upon signing, $3 million due March 2002)

2001 salary: $500,000
2002 salary: $500,000
Option bonus, March 2003: $8 million
2003 salary: $5 million
2004 salary: $5.75 million
2005 salary: $7.25 million
2006 salary: $8.25 million
2007 salary: $8.75 million
2008 salary: $11.25 million


Pro Bowl bonus: $250,000 for last five years (2004-2008)


If Pro Bowls are achieved:
Escalator of $1.5 million for '07
Escalator of $2 million for '08


That's 8 years 75 million. The first bonus cost less than a million against the cap(7 million 8 years). The 2nd was 3 divided by 8 so now you're at 1.25 million a year in caphit. then he got an 8 million roster bonus last year, which I believe is prorated over the last 6 years, so you're close to 2.5 million a year in caphit. Salary this year is 5.75.

So by my figure he has ~ 10, 675, 000 left in bonuse to prorate.

however, I'm guessing at how they handle 2nd tier bonuses and option bonuses. I took the 3 and divided by 7(years remaining when he got it) and I took the 8 and divided by 6. If those are "one time events" and not prorated, then he only has 4.375 remaining off his original bonus so cutting him saves them 1.3 million in caphit this year.

Anybody know how roster bonuses really count?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
screw moss, we need defense.

If we are signing and trading based on need, what don't we need?

 

[CardinalChris]

Re: Re: Re: Owens trade, WHY CAN'T WE GET MOSS!!!

Originally posted by Russ Smith
From Mortenson after the deal was signed in 2001.

Mort breaks down Moss' deal:
Signing bonus: $10 million ($7 million upon signing, $3 million due March 2002)

2001 salary: $500,000
2002 salary: $500,000
Option bonus, March 2003: $8 million
2003 salary: $5 million
2004 salary: $5.75 million
2005 salary: $7.25 million
2006 salary: $8.25 million
2007 salary: $8.75 million
2008 salary: $11.25 million


Pro Bowl bonus: $250,000 for last five years (2004-2008)


If Pro Bowls are achieved:
Escalator of $1.5 million for '07
Escalator of $2 million for '08


That's 8 years 75 million. The first bonus cost less than a million against the cap(7 million 8 years). The 2nd was 3 divided by 8 so now you're at 1.25 million a year in caphit. then he got an 8 million roster bonus last year, which I believe is prorated over the last 6 years, so you're close to 2.5 million a year in caphit. Salary this year is 5.75.

So by my figure he has ~ 10, 675, 000 left in bonuse to prorate.

however, I'm guessing at how they handle 2nd tier bonuses and option bonuses. I took the 3 and divided by 7(years remaining when he got it) and I took the 8 and divided by 6. If those are "one time events" and not prorated, then he only has 4.375 remaining off his original bonus so cutting him saves them 1.3 million in caphit this year.

Anybody know how roster bonuses really count?

Roster bonuses are counted like a signing bonus in the middle of the contract, prorated over the remainder of the years left.

Why would Minnesota, a small market team, give up their most exciting player that fans come to see, even when the don't win?? I still can't believe this rumor for two reasons.... why would they trade him? Who would give up the king's ransom for him.

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Owens trade, WHY CAN'T WE GET MOSS!!!

Originally posted by CardinalChris
Roster bonuses are counted like a signing bonus in the middle of the contract, prorated over the remainder of the years left.

Why would Minnesota, a small market team, give up their most exciting player that fans come to see, even when the don't win?? I still can't believe this rumor for two reasons.... why would they trade him? Who would give up the king's ransom for him.

If that's the case they'd lose over 5 million in caphit by cutting him, save nearly 6 in salary, but take nearly 11 in caphit. But he'd be off the books and they have the caproom.


I'd take him, the beauty is the bonus doesn't follow him, salaries do get very high but if he slips, you can always cut him later in the contract.

 

[D-Dogg]

Second round pick? What if we flipped first rounders with them?

Dropping to 19 would give us one of the better Corners, and we'd still have our "last pick of the 1st round" in number 33.

They'd get pick 3, and grab Fitz or Williams. Replacing Moss. Sounds like a winner to me.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by D-Dogg
Second round pick? What if we flipped first rounders with them?

Dropping to 19 would give us one of the better Corners, and we'd still have our "last pick of the 1st round" in number 33.

They'd get pick 3, and grab Fitz or Williams. Replacing Moss. Sounds like a winner to me.

Done! Where do we sign?

 

[D-Dogg]

Originally posted by azdad1978
Done! Where do we sign?

Yeah, doubtful we could pull THAT off...

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
screw moss, we need defense.

We need something.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Jetstream Green
If the Ravens can get TO with their second round pick, well why the hell can't we take Moss off of the Vikings hands for our even better 2nd round pick. Its possible... DAMN THE KOOL-AID... Give them Johnson and our 2nd round pick. We won't have to gamble at WR in the draft and maybe get a stud defensive player even if we trade down some spots to get a second round pick again. Where is the vodka for the kool-aid.

Becasue his sleek, explosive, athletic "game" doesn't fit in with the belly of our team.

 

[lrk27]

The biggest thing here, is that Moss IS NOT a free agent. T.O. was going to leave anyway, so they could settle for less in return. Better than getting nothing. The Vikes aren't giving up Moss unless they get a ton in return. He has proven himself to be the WR everyone wants to draft. Why would they want draft picks for a proven player? Minnesota does not have to part with Moss, so they hold all the Cards.

 

[Bobcat]

Originally posted by Oran
I bet they'd want Quan and a draft pick for Moss, and I don't like that idea.

No guy's I told you the perfect way to get Moss. Our #3 and #33.

inexchange for their #19. That is how we get Moss.

That way Minn. can get Larry Fitzgerald, or Williams from USC, and we get Moss and Minn's. #19 probaly a CB.

This is how you do business. But so far the Cards are like the Play Anne; "TOMORROW_TOMORROW." I am so @#$% sick of that same sound and DANCE.


Allan

 

[lrk27]

Originally posted by Bobcat
No guy's I told you the perfect way to get Moss. Our #3 and #33.

inexchange for their #19. That is how we get Moss.

That way Minn. can get Larry Fitzgerald, or Williams from USC, and we get Moss and Minn's. #19 probaly a CB.

This is how you do business. But so far the Cards are like the Play Anne; "TOMORROW_TOMORROW." I am so @#$% sick of that same sound and DANCE.


Allan

So they'd give up a proven star WR for a prospect WR and #33? Not going to happen. No team in the NFL would do it. You would probably have to throw in next year's #1 overall- at least.

 

[Bobcat]

Originally posted by lrk27
So they'd give up a proven star WR for a prospect WR and #33? Not going to happen. No team in the NFL would do it. You would probably have to throw in next year's #1 overall- at least.

Well it did happen today with T.O. Ravens got him and 49ners got
a third round pick.

Also Tampa bay gave up Keyshan to Dallas and if Gallaway can't get his contract worked out with Tampa Bay they will only get a 2nd round pick for Keyshan.

So please do't tell me it isn't going to happen; it already has.

The more I see on this forum the more I see that it is made-up of a lot of real of rel stupid members.


Allan

 

[Rats]

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The more I see on this forum the more I see that it is made-up of a lot of real of rel stupid members.


Allan [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[joeshmo]

Originally posted by Bobcat
Well it did happen today with T.O. Ravens got him and 49ners got
a third round pick.

Also Tampa bay gave up Keyshan to Dallas and if Gallaway can't get his contract worked out with Tampa Bay they will only get a 2nd round pick for Keyshan.

So please do't tell me it isn't going to happen; it already has.

The more I see on this forum the more I see that it is made-up of a lot of real of rel stupid members.


Allan

Who is the stupid one.

Tell me whats wrong with your quote, "The more I see on this forum the more I see that it is made-up of a lot of real of rel stupid members."

Plus the ravens gave up a 2nd round pick not a 3rd.

Dallas will not give up a 2nd round pick for Keyshawn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1749826

"Instead, Johnson likely will go to Dallas for a second-day 2005 draft choice, perhaps a fifth or sixth-rounder, ESPN.com's John Clayton and ESPN's Ed Werder reports."

Plus you cant compare between Moss and Owens. Just take a look at there ages, there stats, and the fact that Minny would take a 10 mill cap hit this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Bobcat
Well it did happen today with T.O. Ravens got him and 49ners got
a third round pick.

Also Tampa bay gave up Keyshan to Dallas and if Gallaway can't get his contract worked out with Tampa Bay they will only get a 2nd round pick for Keyshan.

So please do't tell me it isn't going to happen; it already has.

The more I see on this forum the more I see that it is made-up of a lot of real of rel stupid members.


Allan

Wow I think anyone who compares a player (TO) who is an obvious cancer on a team AND is 6 years older than Moss (not to mention not nearly the player Moss is) and then throws a player WHO WAS DEACTIVATED last season and also is not half the player Moss is as examples of how much Moss' worth should be should think twice about calling ANYONE here "real stupid".

Key and TO at this point in their careers, not to mention the inferior ability, don't even compare to Moss. The guy is on his way to dethroning Jerry Rice as the best reciever of all time - you devalue him WAYYYY too much.

I'd give up our first, second and third for him in a heartbeat.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
The guy is on his way to dethroning Jerry Rice as the best reciever of all time - you devalue him WAYYYY too much.

I'd give up our first, second and third for him in a heartbeat.

Fist of all he is a long way from dethroning Jerry Rice as the best WR of all time. He is light years away from that goal. To even come close he will have to have health and longevity. I personally dont see Jerry Rice's records ever being broken. Jerry Rice is and always will be head and shoulders above Moss not only as a player but as a person!

A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for a guy that is no doubt talented but is also a malcontent? and is in what his 6th or 7th year in the league? NO WAY!

 

[NFL_FAN]

OK, so hypothetically, lets say the Vikings think about this possibility of a trade, Moss for our #1 and 3. Do you think Randy Moss would get on a plane and come to Arizona to play for the Bidwills? The Vikings are a few players away from a SB run, the Cards are a perinnial last place team. I love my Cardinals BUT as arrogant as Moss is, unless they threw in Daunte for McCown, there is no way Moss would come here. Just my opinion.