Owners approve new CBA

[NJCardFan]

Listen... I have gotten beaten down by this economy... I have seen the depths of hell IMO, but I will NEVER blame someone for fighting for all they can get.

Quick question: Do you feel the same way about corporate CEO's or the owners? Not trying to start an argument but it seems as though some views are different depending on who's "fighting for all they can get".

 

[Billy Bob]

One more thing. I swear to G if Jerry Jones was in there negotiating.. I'm saying hell no to anything that guy is selling. He just comes across as a real ass. I am convinced that he is one of the reasons a deal has NOT been consummated prior to today.

D Smith knew what was in it yesterday and could have voted yesterday as well but chose to let to owners vote first.

 

[clif]

Quick question: Do you feel the same way about corporate CEO's?

In what way?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

My sarcasm stems from the fact that you are convinced that these players would have NO OTHER avenues to pursue if there was no NFL. Have you ever stopped for one second to think that if there was no NFL that alot of these guys would have finished college?

If and buts candy and nuts

Have you ever stopped for one second to think that if there was no NFL a lot of these guys would have never been to a college?

Sure there are exceptions, but not the general rule. It's so easy to say that since they got low scores on the wonderlic, or don't speak well they must be stupid. Why do we set the bar so low? I can tell you this, if there was ever a chance that I could have played in the NFL I would certainly not have given a damn about a degree in my early 20's.

Makes sense. I can't comment since I just couldn't fathom that kind decision.

All I can say is education opens your options to do more.

Also, I can definately see where my tone implies these players are stupid, but no more than your implies most people are just as stupid.

I really can not comment on the intelligence of your average football player other than what the "sports tabloids" but they are just tabloids.

Yet, many players don't have a college degree. It would be hard for them to compete against other to get a job under those conditions, especially now. The job they would get, would be a pay cut in which they may never make in a lifetime what they could make in a year.

 

[clif]

D Smith knew what was in it yesterday and could have voted yesterday as well but chose to let to owners vote first.

ehhh.. ok. I don't know that to be fact, but so what? Maybe he wanted to sleep on it?

 

[Duckjake]

Why do you care what they say to each other?

Because that animosity will prolong the strike/lockout and I want to get to work on my Fantasy team and how in the hell am I supposed to do that if I don't know what team guys are going to be on.

Fans easily forget and don't care? Run a poll on here about how many people have not followed baseball since the last MLB strike.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Quick question: Do you feel the same way about corporate CEO's or the owners? Not trying to start an argument but it seems as though some views are different depending on who's "fighting for all they can get".

You get all that you can, when you can get.

I understand and respect that. But, you gotta pick your battles, and approach negotiations with some leverage.

Thus my complaint, and my opinion of stupidity on one side of the situation.

The minute those owners start losing money, they are going to get spiteful.

Again, most owners can survive a season without football, how many player can say the same ? I dunno, but I would bet not many.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Fans easily forget and don't care? Run a poll on here about how many people have not followed baseball since the last MLB strike.

What is baseball ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

One more thing. I swear to G if Jerry Jones was in there negotiating.. I'm saying hell no to anything that guy is selling. He just comes across as a real ass. I am convinced that he is one of the reasons a deal has NOT been consummated prior to today.

Now that I can agree on.

Blindly no less.

 

[clif]

If and buts candy and nuts

Have you ever stopped for one second to think that if there was no NFL a lot of these guys would have never been to a college?



Makes sense. I can't comment since I just couldn't fathom that kind decision.

All I can say is education opens your options to do more.

Also, I can definately see where my tone implies these players are stupid, but no more than your implies most people are just as stupid.

I really can not comment on the intelligence of your average football player other than what the "sports tabloids" but they are just tabloids.

Yet, many players don't have a college degree. It would be hard for them to compete against other to get a job under those conditions, especially now. The job they would get, would be a pay cut in which they may never make in a lifetime what they could make in a year.

To your first question, yes I have. It's pretty fair to say that if there was no NFL, alot of these current players very well may have never gotten into college, because their priorities were set with making the NFL. So if there NEVER was an NFL, I think the numbers would probably reflect a change in attitudes towards education being that it would be more likely the ONLY way to make a mil or two.

 

[Duckjake]

What is baseball ?

The worlds largest Beer and Hot Dog sales organization.

 

[NJCardFan]

NFL.com is saying that the players aren't going to vote tonight. The owners approved it so the players sitting on it doesn't bode well for them.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

No it doesn't anger me. I think it's silly. I just felt bored enough to post on here after a couple months hiatus. It's clear some things never change. People will bitch about ***** they have no control over and get wrapped up in other people's finances. So be it. I thought we were having a healthy debate. Isn't that the point of this site?

Of course it is.

Thus why I say the players are stupid. Why I backed up my reasoning why I thought they where stupid.

Yet, it is kinda contradictory to first complain that people are complaining about things they have no control over (we have NO control over what this team does) and then go on to say the board is made for that very reason.

It is a football message board. People are going to complain all day long about things they cannot control.

Lastly, the finances of the league are OUR finances as well. We are the fans, we put a massive amount of money into this league as a whole. We have just as much right to talk about the situation as any owner, or player. Hell, we don't even get any representation at the table.

As you put it earlier, the poor fans have no choice but to shut their mouths and go back to work because hey they are just the fans right ? Shut up, and pay up when they are done fighting over the money WE create.

FYI, this is just a healthy debate. Sorry if I come off nasty. Not my intention.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

To your first question, yes I have. It's pretty fair to say that if there was no NFL, alot of these current players very well may have never gotten into college, because their priorities were set with making the NFL. So if there NEVER was an NFL, I think the numbers would probably reflect a change in attitudes towards education being that it would be more likely the ONLY way to make a mil or two.

Doh, you win that round.

But I will be back!
:dcr:

Or be basketball players, or dare I say it, rugby players.

 

[Billy Bob]

ehhh.. ok. I don't know that to be fact, but so what? Maybe he wanted to sleep on it?

Just said it on nfl network

 

[Stout]

Enough is enough. Both sides agreed on this, and so the owners voted on it and ratified it. The real issue is the decertification sham. The players are afraid that, if they recertify immediately, as they undoubtedly can do, they won't be able to pull this same baloney mock decertification in the next negotiations.

I'm done with the bullcrap, and I hope the owners are too. It's time to get tough. Don't agree to what we agreed to already by the weekend, players? We pull 35 mill off the table every day. We're billionaires, you're millionaires, you will lose. 'Kay?

This is ALL on the players and their bullcrap posturing, and about how they cheated the system and want to be able to do it again in the future.

 

[Buckybird]

I'm done with the bullcrap, and I hope the owners are too. It's time to get tough. Don't agree to what we agreed to already by the weekend, players? We pull 35 mill off the table every day. We're billionaires, you're millionaires, you will lose. 'Kay?

This is ALL on the players and their bullcrap posturing, and about how they cheated the system and want to be able to do it again in the future.

I can see this going south again real quick...owners have now said the players have until Saturday to agree & re-certify or else!!!

 

[Stout]

I can see this going south again real quick...owners have now said the players have until Saturday to agree & re-certify or else!!!

And they should. The players should get no wiggle room to hem and haw their way into more time. They've cheated and they're trying to drag this out so that they can cheat again. As a union man, I completely detest the legal shenanigans and bold lies that they have pulled off in the course of this negotiation, and I hope it is established that they can never pull this again.

So, shove it, NFLPA (because you never really decertified). Approve it, or start losing money off the deal by the day. Your call.

 

[Billy Bob]

Enough is enough. Both sides agreed on this, and so the owners voted on it and ratified it. The real issue is the decertification sham. The players are afraid that, if they recertify immediately, as they undoubtedly can do, they won't be able to pull this same baloney mock decertification in the next negotiations.

I'm done with the bullcrap, and I hope the owners are too. It's time to get tough. Don't agree to what we agreed to already by the weekend, players? We pull 35 mill off the table every day. We're billionaires, you're millionaires, you will lose. 'Kay?

This is ALL on the players and their bullcrap posturing, and about how they cheated the system and want to be able to do it again in the future.

it is a sham, the union dercertified so they could file all the law suits and they cant recetify until the cases are settled. yes a sham indeed!

 

[Buckybird]

And they should. The players should get no wiggle room to hem and haw their way into more time. They've cheated and they're trying to drag this out so that they can cheat again. As a union man, I completely detest the legal shenanigans and bold lies that they have pulled off in the course of this negotiation, and I hope it is established that they can never pull this again.

So, shove it, NFLPA (because you never really decertified). Approve it, or start losing money off the deal by the day. Your call.

Totally agree...some of these players will soon crack once TC starts.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Ink should be drying on this from both sides. Should have been done long ago. Such a joke.

 

[Cardiac]

I guess I'm just to skeptical to suddenly think that the owners are angels who have nothing but good will in their hearts at this point in time. The same owners who blew up the old CBA because they said it wouldn't work for them in the long term and now they have made all these concessions that Mitch listed so they must be altruistic in mind and spirit.

The same owners who waited until the last hour to make their initial offer and then ran to the media immediately to spin opinion in their favor.

The same owners who rarely fully agree on anything and now have 31 yes votes and 1 Al Davis.

Maybe all the owners suddenly had a "soup for the soul" moment recently in their lives.

Maybe it's easier for fans to bash players, still not sure why so many fans have and will continue to take the owners side of this.

Bottom line and question from me is why did the owners go to all this trouble of the lockout if they weren't getting a better deal for themselves now then before?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Maybe it's easier for fans to bash players, still not sure why so many fans have and will continue to take the owners side of this.

I think the reason it seems this way, is that many read, the quotes, and the messages concerning this issue and then make their own judgements of what was implied, and not what was stated.

Don't take my opinion of the players current situation as that I am taking the owners side. Both parties are in the wrong, and both parties are trying to use guilt, and slander in this situation to create leverage, and publice tension.

They are both wrong.

Now that being stated, looking at the current situation, the owners are "winning". At this point I could care less what one side or the other has to do in order to get football going again. Both side will do what they deem nessicary to get what they think they deserve, and both sides have every right to do so. Thus my comments are about what the current situation is, and IMO, the players are getting owned right now.

The real sad thing is, that most fans could care less of who is right or wrong, or the spin on anything. They want football, they want the product they pay for from the business that is supposed to offer it.

As stated before this country is in a time of great change in routine, and priorities. Not the best time to be complaining about money in the press, and to be, for all entensive purposes, out of sight and out of mind of the public.

BTW, this lockout is FAR, FAR, FAR from being over. While the spin in the media is that the fans should just worry about the beginning of the season, and that is just a sugar coated spin. There are billions at stake, and two sides want it regardless of what the ramifications are to get it. So, regardless of the ploy to get people to still check in on NFL sites, and TV programs
we should all be more concerned (if there is any concern at all at this point) about even having a 2011 NFL season. I personally don't think it will happen. I feel the moment this effects preseason the owners will dig in harder, and the moment the regular season is affected then the owners will dig in for a lost season, since they really already have made preparations to forego this season.

I would say, with no basis to prove it, about 75% of the players won't be able to pay their bills by October if there is no season. Advantage owners.

As for the fans ? The baseball strike, and hockey strike were not during a time of vast economic, and spiritual woe running through the entire country. The backlash these sports saw from the strike will be nothing, IMO - with no basis to prove it, compared to what the NFL will deal with. Right now people are adjusting all finanaces, and I bet the $_____ spent on football each year is easily gobbled up by other more important priorities in a majority of US households. Now that money, once allotted to other priorities, especially more important ones then a game played on Sundays, is going to be REAL hard to put back towards the over priced luxiary of football.

I for one openly admit that if and when I watch football again, I have a tough decision to make:

To just watch the Cardinals costs = $900.00 a year
To just watch the Eagles costs = $600.00 a year, and could potentially cost $0.00 year if I get rid of my TV service.

As these idiots say, the NFL is a business. Well, $900.00+ (if you put in merchandise like $30.00 crap T-shirts) I pay to watch the Cardinals seems like I am being hosed when Derek Anderson can't complete a 5 yard out to a wide open Larry Fitzgerald, and then I have to hear Graves and company talk about "competitive football" and "keeping the core together".

It is like paying $100 for phone service, and the phone, when used, can't make a basic call, and when you call the company they say, "Don't worry, stick with us, next year it will be better". I don't think many would find that acceptable in business terms.

*** Yeah, Yeah - you can talk about "loyalty" but we have heard enough to know that any and about all team has no loyalty to any of its fans. That is a fantasy we all endulge in (that I have endulged in and regrettfully called others out on this very board for), but we all know is not true. The fans ? Pro teams don't give a damn about you, just your money. The lockout puts reality and its ugly truth out there center stage. While the owners, players, and league want you to stay in fantasy land, they are doing a horrible job of doing that.

:coughRugbyWorldCupSept9thcough:

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

ehhh.. ok. I don't know that to be fact, but so what? Maybe he wanted to sleep on it?

the meeting last night between Goodell and DeSmith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SqgLX28vwI&feature=related

 

[Stout]

the meeting last night between Goodell and DeSmith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SqgLX28vwI&feature=related

First, let me say this:

Okay, now that that's out of the way, let me respond to Cardiac. In no way do I think the owners have suddenly become altruistic. What I think has happened is that they've simply taken the first step, that they're the side that finally looked at the agreement on the table and said 'yes' first. And now the players are dithering for very selfish reasons.