Ownership Doesn't want to Win

[BigRedMO]

Below is how far salary for each NFL team is below the 2009 Cap for this season. The Cards could have offered Dansby more money. They could have traded for McNabb and signed him to a long term deal. Instead they went into an NFL season with no one at QB. Anderson is no one. The Bidwills see the lockout next year and the possible end of the NFL and are are going to make sure they take out as much as they can while they can. If the NFL emerges from the lockout they should buy out the bottom dozen or so teams and get new owners who want to win or fold the teams up. If you dont agree with my interpretation how do you interpret the salary numbers with the huge holes on this roster?



1. Tampa Bay – $42 Million UNDER

2. Arizona – $41 Million UNDER

3. Denver – $34 Million UNDER

4. Kansas City – $33 Million UNDER

5. Tennessee – $31 Million UNDER

6. Miami – $28 Million UNDER

7. Buffalo – $27 Million UNDER

8. Detroit – $26 Million UNDER

9. San Francisco – $26 Million UNDER

10. Houston – $25 Million UNDER

11. Philadelphia – $25 Million UNDER

12. Cincinnati – $22 Million UNDER

13. New England – $21 Million UNDER

14. Minnesota – $20 Million UNDER

15. Atlanta – $20 Million UNDER

16. Pittsburgh – $19 Million UNDER

17. Baltimore – $19 Million UNDER

18. Chicago – $19 Million UNDER

19. Green Bay – $18 Million UNDER

20. Cleveland – $17 Million UNDER

21. Jacksonville – $16 Million UNDER

22. San Diego – $14 Million UNDER

23. New York Giants – $11 Million UNDER

24. Dallas – $10 Million UNDER

25. Carolina – $9 Million UNDER

26. Seattle – $9 Million UNDER

27. St. Louis – $8 Million UNDER

28. Indianapolis – $8 Million UNDER

29. Oakland – $4 Million UNDER

30. New York Jets – $4 Million UNDER

31. Washington – $1 Million UNDER

32. New Orleans – $1 Million OVER

 

[RonF]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Tampa Bay 2 and 0, and they have a lower salary cost than us. Dallas is 0 and 2 and they are $10 million UNDER. You can't just look at what a team's salary cost is and determine how committed the owner is.

I think part of the team's problem is their culture. If Joey Porter is correct, there were players laughing in the shower after the game, and that concerns me more than who is paid what.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

In other news, the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. I agree with you. The FO has done nothing very effectively with the money off the books from last year. I'm not a McNabb fan at all but i think one the reason they did not puruse him is his impending free agency. If he came to the Cards and lit it up they would be over the barrel, much like with Warner, and be forced to shell out big bucks to keep him. As most know, i'm a huge Rolle fan but I could see letting him go as safeties are rarely worth that much. I don't agree on the Dansby issue and would have given Leinart a shot. I hope ML's contract incentive for next year didn't factor into the decision. Also, i can see their thinking,but there was no real reason to let Boldin go. Let him play out his contract.

Let's see with Warner's 18 mill, Dansby 9 mill, Boldin 3 mill, Okeafor 5 mill, Gandy 6 mill, Rolle,not sure, 3 mill?,(total of about 44 mill) that got us Joey Porter, Kerry Rhodes, Derek Anderson, Paris Lenon, Alan Faneca, DD's extension, and some basic contract renewals. That's pretty bad use of money and that's not counting the salaries shed at the end of camp by releasing Leinart and trading Wells.

 

[slanidrac16]

It is typical Corporate Collusion. Don't you find it starnge that until this year everybody was concerned about other teams CHEATING the salary cap and spending MORE than allowed.

Add to that , did ownership drop ticket prices for a nation in a reccesion? Nope. Bleed every last dime from every last fan. And if they don't sell out, so what? The owners already have their TV revenue. They believe they will be able to use the "not sold out" games as a "see, we're losing money" as they cry hundred dollar bills.

Go for it Owners.....You deserve every stinkin dime you can get.

 

[D-Dogg]

Silly thread. Of course the ownership wants to win...they don't want to spend a bajillion dollars to win, because that doesn't mean they will, but they want to win as much or more than others.

It's business...you don't want to spend a ton of money if you don't need to. How you allocate your money though, determines your success.

 

[kerouac9]

What's the source on the list? I'm just interested.

I'm also interested in that number if you add in unanticipated "savings" from Cody Brown and #7.

Still, spending $20 million less than the median team? That's bad.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Most teams are in a wait and see attitude due to the labor uncertainity next year. They are unwilling to spend money on players salaries if no football next year. If the labor situation is resolved and football is on for 2011 then wouldn't the Cards be situated good financially for spending money on players.

 

[kerouac9]

Most teams are in a wait and see attitude due to the labor uncertainity next year. They are unwilling to spend money on players salaries if no football next year. If the labor situation is resolved and football is on for 2011 then wouldn't the Cards be situated good financially for spending money on players.

They don't have to pay player salaries if the players are not playing.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

What's the source on the list? I'm just interested.

I dunno, but it looks like it came from the salary status box in the upper-right corner of the screen while trying to sign a free agent in Madden 11.

 

[Rats]

What's the source on the list? I'm just interested.

I'm also interested in that number if you add in unanticipated "savings" from Cody Brown and #7.

Still, spending $20 million less than the median team? That's bad.

I maintained that #7 was dispatched not because of any chemistry, intangebles or other such hooey that Whiz created but as Matt said himself "Something else must be going on not football related". I do not believe the ownership wanted to invest in Matt past this year and it would have been a huge investment. They didn't and got very little flack for it but it was at the root of the problem. These leopards didn't change there spots. They just got a new jungle to roam.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This is bogus! These Numbers are from 2009 before the Cards resigned players. The poster is completely off base here.

 

[TJ]

Didn't ownership give Whisenhunt a 4 year extension worth $6 mil/year in the offseason? True franchises who wish to lose do this

I think this is another knee jerk reaction thread to yesterday's loss.

 

[Hollywood]

I think ownership has done much in the last few years to show me that they are committed to winning and are not afraid to 'open the checkbook' to do it. They just aren't willing to do things that don't have a good chance for a payoff. They definately paid for Fitz and Warner. Dockett got a nice raise too. It isn't just about spending money for the sake of spending money. Ask raider fan how that is working out for their team (just 4 million under)

It isn't all about how much you spend. Its more about how you spend it.

 

[motino]

Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2010 10:43 AM ET


On Saturday, we mentioned that three teams have committed less than $90 million to player compensation in the uncapped year. Two teams have blown the curve.

Many of you have asked for more information about the expenditures of your favorite teams.

So we've got the full list.

And though we don't want to pick on the Chargers any more than we already have, they're in the bottom 25 percent in spending -- even though they've chosen not to spend on left tackle Marcus MacNeil and receiver http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3202Vincent Jackson.

Redskins: $178.2 million.

Cowboys: $166.5 million.

Saints: $145.0 million.

Vikings: $143.4 million.

Seahawks: $138.8 million.

Jets: $135.7 million.

Packers: $135.3 million.

Raiders: $135.2 million.

Colts: $133.1 million.

Bears: $131.9 million.

Eagles: $131.0 million.

Patriots: $128.8 million.

Giants: $128.6 million.

49ers: $125.9 million.

Dolphins: $123.8 million.

Texans: $123.1 million.

Lions: $122.9 million.

Steelers: $122.9 million.

Browns: $122.8 million.

Ravens: $122.3 million.

Falcons: $118.5 million.

Titans: $118.0 million.

Panthers: $110.9 million.

Rams: $109.1 million.

Chargers: $108.0 million.

Bills: $105.3 million.

Broncos: $102.9 million.

Bengals: $100.8 million.

Cardinals: $97.8 million.

Jaguars: $89.5 million.

Chiefs: $84.5 million.

Buccaneers: $80.8 million.

 

[freebyrd]

how serious do you think this lockout issue will become? end of the nfl?!
i can;t see that,

i remember the strike season a couple of decades ago, one thing that stood out in my mind was watching bill walsh offensive guru having to run the QB option and just shrugging while looking across the field at the giants coaching staff
like what the hell was i supposed to do with these guys from off the street..lol

so do you think it will get that far? fielding teams of walk on's ex cons, college has beens that never were,and so on.

man thats gonna suck, at the same time for the month or two that they did the replacements it was kind of funny,

i think a handful actually made it to the show

 

[Hollywood]

Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2010 10:43 AM ET


On Saturday, we mentioned that three teams have committed less than $90 million to player compensation in the uncapped year. Two teams have blown the curve.

Many of you have asked for more information about the expenditures of your favorite teams.

So we've got the full list.

And though we don't want to pick on the Chargers any more than we already have, they're in the bottom 25 percent in spending -- even though they've chosen not to spend on left tackle Marcus MacNeil and receiver Vincent Jackson.

Redskins: $178.2 million.

Cowboys: $166.5 million.

Saints: $145.0 million.

Vikings: $143.4 million.

Seahawks: $138.8 million.

Jets: $135.7 million.

Packers: $135.3 million.

Raiders: $135.2 million.

Colts: $133.1 million.

Bears: $131.9 million.

Eagles: $131.0 million.

Patriots: $128.8 million.

Giants: $128.6 million.

49ers: $125.9 million.

Dolphins: $123.8 million.

Texans: $123.1 million.

Lions: $122.9 million.

Steelers: $122.9 million.

Browns: $122.8 million.

Ravens: $122.3 million.

Falcons: $118.5 million.

Titans: $118.0 million.

Panthers: $110.9 million.

Rams: $109.1 million.

Chargers: $108.0 million.

Bills: $105.3 million.

Broncos: $102.9 million.

Bengals: $100.8 million.

Cardinals: $97.8 million.

Jaguars: $89.5 million.

Chiefs: $84.5 million.

Buccaneers: $80.8 million.

Wow, TB must really suck. What's their record?

 

[azsouthendzone]

I'm not a McNabb fan at all but i think one the reason they did not pursue him is his impending free agency. If he came to the Cards and lit it up they would be over the barrel, much like with Warner, and be forced to shell out big bucks to keep him.

Could have offered him a restructured deal to keep him a Cardinal until he retired which he would have bit at, problem solved. Instead we have DA.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I maintained that #7 was dispatched not because of any chemistry, intangebles or other such hooey that Whiz created but as Matt said himself "Something else must be going on not football related". I do not believe the ownership wanted to invest in Matt past this year and it would have been a huge investment. They didn't and got very little flack for it but it was at the root of the problem. These leopards didn't change there spots. They just got a new jungle to roam.

The big $$$ commitment was next year, thus, no reason not to keep him this season, if $$$ was the issue.

 

[Rats]

The big $$$ commitment was next year, thus, no reason not to keep him this season, if $$$ was the issue.

Good money after bad. No problem paying him if he is seen as QBOF but why pay him his large salary this year if he is not going to fit . Not saying it was the only reason but factored in.

 

[kerouac9]

I think that the Cards fully intend to spend more money as the season wears on. Dockett's already done. Fitz'll need to be re-done. Breaston maybe as well. Lutui too. Hightower is an RFA after this season (do you put the second-round tender on him and hope that someone will overpay? It's a tantalizing question...)

This isn't like the past couple of seasons. I think you look at this roster the way you did in the dreadful first couple of Graves years. We may be close to the "cap" floor right now (probably), but we'll get closer to moving up as the season goes on. I forget what year it was, but when the season started we were under the minimum salary level, and we had to extend L.J. Shelton and a couple of other people or the NFL was just going to make the Cards spread the remaining money around evenly to all 53 members of the roster.

 

[ReddBird]

The Bidwells haven't kept it secret that the Cardinals are their only source of income. If the team doesn't make money, they don't make money. Doesn't mean they don't want to win, though. Just means, they're not going to spend whatever it takes to do so.

 

[conraddobler]

Two things:

A: It's very possible a lot of this has to do with the impending strike / lockout.

B: What Reddbird said, plus I think every so often we save up money to blow on another run, JMO.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The Bidwells haven't kept it secret that the Cardinals are their only source of income. If the team doesn't make money, they don't make money. Doesn't mean they don't want to win, though. Just means, they're not going to spend whatever it takes to do so.

BIM: BIDWILL

 

[FrustratedFan04]

"The Bidwills see the lockout next year and the possible end of the NFL and are are going to make sure they take out as much as they can while they can...." So let me get this straight. You predict that the buisness they're in is going to collaspe but urge them to plow as much money into it as they can before that happens and then because they haven't done that castigate and accuse them of getting out what they can before that happens. That's the dumbest thing anyone's ever written on here in an attempt to malign ownership.

 

[Doug]

In other news, the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. I agree with you. The FO has done nothing very effectively with the money off the books from last year. I'm not a McNabb fan at all but i think one the reason they did not puruse him is his impending free agency. If he came to the Cards and lit it up they would be over the barrel, much like with Warner, and be forced to shell out big bucks to keep him. As most know, i'm a huge Rolle fan but I could see letting him go as safeties are rarely worth that much. I don't agree on the Dansby issue and would have given Leinart a shot. I hope ML's contract incentive for next year didn't factor into the decision. Also, i can see their thinking,but there was no real reason to let Boldin go. Let him play out his contract.

Let's see with Warner's 18 mill, Dansby 9 mill, Boldin 3 mill, Okeafor 5 mill, Gandy 6 mill, Rolle,not sure, 3 mill?,(total of about 44 mill) that got us Joey Porter, Kerry Rhodes, Derek Anderson, Paris Lenon, Alan Faneca, DD's extension, and some basic contract renewals. That's pretty bad use of money and that's not counting the salaries shed at the end of camp by releasing Leinart and trading Wells.

Love you man so I just beg to differ on a few things here.Below is the list I posted of what teams spent this year and actually 9 teams spent way more than what the salary cap would have been this year as Peter King said today it would have been 132 Mill. The Cards did'nt come close to that.

Kurt was on tab for 11Mill plus incentives,and yes Boldin should have been made to play out his contract instead of the mess we have now.

We should in my opinion have matched what Miami offered Dansby or added to it till we had our Defensive leader back in a Cardinals jersey as Coach Davis has built the whole defense around what Dansbt does and Dansby stopped Adrian Peterson on 4th and goal that won the game for the Phins IN Minny.To also let Kirk Morrison & Larry Foote not be offered enough money to change their minds of where they wanted to play.

Kurt let this team know soon enough he was leaving so a player like McNabb (who already lives here) and with the weapons we have could have continued the winning.The total commitment is not yet in Billy B's Blood.(sorry ya'll can hate on me as he has done so much other good here)He just has'nt gone the final step yet guys & gals).Bulger(don't laugh) would have been better than DA.I had no idea he was so bad.

We have too many arrows in our Quiver not to have a real Bowman to shoot them.(Apologize for the analogy).Without "MAJOR MASSIVE" improvement I don't see (3) more wins this season,IF THAT!!! Graves needs to quit acting like its his blood he is giving away to sign people.

Yes the Bucs & Chiefs spent less than us and are 2-0 but check back with me week 10 and maybe the Chiefs are still competing due to their division.Finally I never thought Warner ever held the CARDS over a barrel.I think he was not paid what players his caliber are making today.We should be glad he gave everything he had everyday he was with our team and gave his leadership I'm already not seeing this year on the team.

We also missed bigtime with Porter and need to make a proclamation to coach Whiz that no more old steeler players are to be brought in as Cards.McFadden & Porter are enough.Falcons gameplan was to Run at Porter from rush one and Davis nor Whiz could figure out he could'nt handle it.Embarrassing.

Williams and Washington will take a full year to be the players we need on a playoff run.Thats hoping on Williams too,so far.Come on Gabe Watson lets get back on the field dude.

We can't sleep on the Raiders.It will take our best effort.