Pac 10 to invite half of Big 12 to join?

[Gaddabout]

I think Nebraska and Missouri leave for the Big 10, regardless of what Notre Dame does. Too much money for them in the Big 10. And the Big 12 has nothing to hold them.

If Notre Dame joins the Big 10, they have 12 teams for the conference championship and the crown jewel of TV money. They won't need Nebraska/Missouri and Notre Dame won't join the Big 10 if anyone else joins.

 

[Russ Smith]

- One major hitch to the proposed Pac-16, IMO, will be how TV revenue is shared. Texas gets to keep its TV revenue right now. It's the only uneven sharing in the Big 12, but it's a big one. The Pac-10 shares it's revenue evenly no matter who gets the television appearances. I have to wonder how Texas will receive this, though the current estimates of a Pac-16 contract would bring in $20 mil per school per year. That's more than double what Texas is getting right now with uneven sharing. So maybe they won't be so principled about it.

Sure that's true? I saw something on ESPN either yesterday or the day before that said revenue is based on number of tv appearances so UCLA and USC get the most tv revenue. USC from football, UCLA from basketball. It was one of the reasons they said Texas is the key, without Texas the Pac 10 doesn't want to expand. It's because they think Texas will bring even more tv revenue.

Without Texas the claim was that USC and UCLA would have no interest in expanding because it wouldn't really help them financially.

I would like to think what you said was true, that it's evenly shared I think that's the best way to do it. When you base revenue on tv appearances I think it is one of the many reasons schools cheat, the incentive to be on tv more to get more revenue becomes a vicious cycle.

 

[Gaddabout]

Sure that's true? I saw something on ESPN either yesterday or the day before that said revenue is based on number of tv appearances so UCLA and USC get the most tv revenue. USC from football, UCLA from basketball. It was one of the reasons they said Texas is the key, without Texas the Pac 10 doesn't want to expand. It's because they think Texas will bring even more tv revenue.

Without Texas the claim was that USC and UCLA would have no interest in expanding because it wouldn't really help them financially.

I would like to think what you said was true, that it's evenly shared I think that's the best way to do it. When you base revenue on tv appearances I think it is one of the many reasons schools cheat, the incentive to be on tv more to get more revenue becomes a vicious cycle.

Maybe it's not perfectly equal, but it's my understanding it's much closer to equal than the Big 12, where Texas takes in $3 million more than any other school each year.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Titles aren't the only measure of success. Are the Bucks a historically superior franchise to the Suns because they have more titles? I wouldn't say they are.

All time winning percentages:
ASU 60.9%
CU 59.1%
UA 55.7%
TT 54.4%

That's skewed argument and you know it. Colorado has been in a legit conference since 1947, ASU since 1978 which greatly favors ASU having a superior winning percentage. There's exactly zero college football historians who would argue that ASU is a better program historically than Colorado. More All-Americans, more bowl games, Heisman Winner, more conference titles, a National Championship, the list goes on and on.

My point was more about across the board sports. UA is the best basketball program of the 4 and ASU is probably second. ASU would be the strongest in baseball, UA and ASU would dominate in softball, ASU would be far ahead in track, etc. I know you don't care about any collegiate sports other than Hoops and football but that was what I was getting at.

I agree here. The weather in Boulder does not allow CU to be that well-rounded and frankly I doubt Tech cares all that much. Either way, the only sport I could see there being these hypothetical "divisions" is football and that's far from a reality.

 

[devilalum]

The 4 division idea doesn't make any sense to me. Would there be a divisional semi final game before the conference championship? Adding another game in December would be crazy. No way that happens. Two eight team divisions works fine now that teams can play up to 13 regular season games.

 

[Renz]

Source: CU already has Pac-10 invite
By Ted Miller
ESPN.com

With Nebraska apparently headed to the Big Ten, the Pac-10 is poised to become the Pac-16.

Colorado already has received an invitation to join the conference, while five other invitations will be extended to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

A Big 12 football coach, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach on Wednesday night that if Nebraska left the Big 12 the conference would dissolve, according to his athletics director and university president. The coach said Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado would join the Pac-10, leaving Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State behind.

"Nebraska is the key," the coach said.

The coach said the Pac-10 favored Colorado over Baylor because of the Buffaloes' presence in the Denver TV market.

Another Big 12 coach said Wednesday night that an anticipated Nebraska announcement of moving toward the Big Ten Thursday would indeed trigger the death of the Big 12 and a mass migration west.

"If Nebraska leaves," the coach said, "everyone has to look."

The new conference would be split into divisions with the Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado forming an Eastern Division with Arizona and Arizona State opposite the former Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) in the Western Division. The division champions would play at season's end for the conference championship, the source said.

The coach said it's possible the Pac-16 would push for two automatic bids to the BCS, one for each division champion. That potential bonanza could open the possibility of the two division champs from one league playing for the national title, and it would eliminate the need for a conference championship game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

 

[O]

Listening to the radio today the speculation was that ASU/UofA would only play USC, and other western division schools, once every four years. Meaning schools like USC would only come to town once every eight years.
Does that sound right?

 

[Renz]

Listening to the radio today the speculation was that ASU/UofA would only play USC, and other western division schools, once every four years. Meaning schools like USC would only come to town once every eight years.

Does that sound right?

That's what I've heard too. Teams in the new conference would play every team in their division every season, and two teams (1 home & 1 away) in the other division.

I don't know if that is how it will all shake out though.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The new conference would be split into divisions with the Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado forming an Eastern Division with Arizona and Arizona State opposite the former Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) in the Western Division. The division champions would play at season's end for the conference championship, the source said.

The coach said it's possible the Pac-16 would push for two automatic bids to the BCS, one for each division champion. That potential bonanza could open the possibility of the two division champs from one league playing for the national title, and it would eliminate the need for a conference championship game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

Ok. I thought the four division setup would allow teams to play more of their conference foes but whatever. This also means that Arizona's window to make it into a Rose Bowl essentially dwindles down to 2010 and 2011 which means it'll never happen. Assuming the conference gets two automatic invites, I'd guess the old Pac-8 would retain the Rose for it's winner while the rest of us would get an automatic bid wherever the shoe fit.

 

[HooverDam]

Source: CU already has Pac-10 invite
By Ted Miller

This is smart by the Pac 10. This way if things somehow fall through with the Texas and Oklahoma schools, the Pac 10 could always just invite Utah, pick up the SLC market and go on as the Pac 12. Though how you divide the conference up into 2 six team divisions would be tricky.

, I'd guess the old Pac-8 would retain the Rose for it's winner while the rest of us would get an automatic bid wherever the shoe fit.

The Fiesta would make the most sense. They keep their ties to the Texas and Oklahoma schools, and of course get the AZ schools which obviously have strong ties with the bowl.

 

[Tyler]

Why not scratch the OOC games and add 2-3 extra conference, keep it all in house. There is more than enough teams and it strengthens the strength of schedule BCS wise..........I know it will never happen, but when you get to 64 legit teams, why not.

 

[Dback Jon]

Why not scratch the OOC games and add 2-3 extra conference, keep it all in house. There is more than enough teams and it strengthens the strength of schedule BCS wise..........I know it will never happen, but when you get to 64 legit teams, why not.

Because the economics don't work. The big schools HAVE TO HAVE the one or two extra home games playing OOC teams allows.

 

[Southpaw]

Colorado Accepts Invitation to Join Pac-10

One down. 5 to go. Dominoes falling.

Colorado Accepts Invitation to Join Pac-10


Jun 10, 1:21 PM (ET)

By PAT GRAHAM

DENVER (AP) -The Colorado Buffaloes have bolted from the Big 12, accepting an invitation Thursday to become the 11th member of the Pac-10 Conference.

It's the first expansion of the league since it added Arizona and Arizona State in 1978. More teams could follow Colorado from the Big 12 to the Pac-10. Reports say Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could accept invitations soon.

Colorado's move was first reported by The Sporting News.

Before the Buffaloes jumped ship to another conference, Nebraska looked poised to become the first team to leave the Big 12, possibly exiting for the Big Ten as soon as Friday.

With Colorado gone and Nebraska on the verge of maybe moving on, this could seriously damage remaining members' hopes to keep the Big 12 intact. Schools such as Missouri, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State might be left on the sidelines.

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott announced in February that the conference was exploring possible expansion. He was given the authority last weekend from the schools to offer invitations to potential new members.

"The University of Colorado is a great fit for the conference both academically and athletically," Scott said in a statement.

Colorado president Bruce Benson echoed those thoughts, saying, "Our achievements and aspirations match those of the universities in the conference and we look forward to a productive relationship."

Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne wasn't at all surprised by the Buffaloes' move out West.

"That's something we thought might happen," he said.

Could Nebraska be next?

"Until we have a definite decision, I'm not saying anything else," Osborne said.

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AP Sports Writers Eric Olson and Josh Dubow contributed to this story.

 

[boisesuns]

It's the Pac 11! It's division one football!

 

[azsportsfan01]

This is smart by the Pac 10. This way if things somehow fall through with the Texas and Oklahoma schools, the Pac 10 could always just invite Utah, pick up the SLC market and go on as the Pac 12. Though how you divide the conference up into 2 six team divisions would be tricky.



The Fiesta would make the most sense. They keep their ties to the Texas and Oklahoma schools, and of course get the AZ schools which obviously have strong ties with the bowl.

If they only add Colorado and Utah then it would actually be real easy to split the teams up. You take the Northern California, Oregon, and Washington schools and put them in one conference. Then take the Southern California, Arizona, and the two new schools and put them into another. So it would look like this:
East: Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Washington St.
West: ASU, UofA, USC, UCLA, Colorado, Utah

 

[Renz]

This also means that Arizona's window to make it into a Rose Bowl essentially dwindles down to 2010 and 2011 which means it'll never happen.

The Cats finished 2nd last season. Masoli is gone and USC is banned from bowls the next two years.

Why can't UA win the PAC-10 in the next two seasons?

 

[Mulli]

The Cats finished 2nd last season. Masoli is gone and USC is banned from bowls the next two years.

Why can't UA win the PAC-10 in the next two seasons?

Care to wager, Renz?

 

[Renz]

Care to wager, Renz?

I'm not saying they will, or won't, but it's a mistake to dismiss them out-of-hand, IMO.

Am I missing something? Is another school a lead pipe cinch to win the conference this season?

 

[Tyler]

Care to wager, Renz?

Because it is the University of No Rose Bowls. The only big 10/Pac10 school to never go!!

I quoted the wrong one. OOOPPPS.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Why can't UA win the PAC-10 in the next two seasons?

Two words: Mike Stoops.

Arizona will win but never get over the hump as long as he's head coach.

 

[TheHopToad]

Two words: Mike Stoops.

Arizona will win but never get over the hump as long as he's head coach.

At least you can look forward to the "Stoops Bowl" every year. Well, if little brother lasts that long...

 

[Mathew81]

At least you can look forward to the "Stoops Bowl" every year. Well, if little brother lasts that long...

I wonder if Mike will even want to stick around having to coach and recruit directly against Bob every year.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

ASU fans should worry about their own head coach. You know, the guy that lost two in a row to the guy you incessantly mock down south.

 

[Mulli]

I'm not saying they will, or won't, but it's a mistake to dismiss them out-of-hand, IMO.

Am I missing something? Is another school a lead pipe cinch to win the conference this season?

Why not wager?

 

[conraddobler]

The Big Twelve has been a joke since Nebraska went sideways, Texas runs the whole show and pisses everyone else off.

IMO it's a conference run by knuckleheads and it's time it died even if Mizzou is stuck playing in some forsaken pithole it'll be better than dealing with those dysfunctional buttheads.