Pace: My ace for Card comeback player

[kerouac9]

Pace was a low 1st rounder and almost his entire contract is paid with his initial signing bonus, so cap-wise he's playing for peanuts.

Actually, Pace was a mid-first rounder, 18th overall (in the middle third). His cap number this season is in the top 10 or 15 of the entire team. B.S. on this post.

Pace has done nothing. He did nothing his first season, and he played like a non-roster invitee last season (Kolodjei contributed as much or more to the team). Dude should be a solid starter by now, but we're wondering if he'll even make the team. He was a reach then; he's a bust now.

Thanks again, coach Mac. Oh, and Rod Graves. This was your draft.

 

[Rocco]

Green went on record as saying he wasn't happy about having to sign an expensive free agent (Berry) to fix a position the team had just spent a number 1 pick on.

Pace then couldn't beat out career scrub Peppi Zellner and even lost his backup job to Antonio Smith, a 5th round practice squader now playing in Europe.

This offseason, we once again spent big bucks on a FA defensive end.

Why all the optimism about Pace? Signing Okeafor shows that the front office sees him as nothing more than a backup. Anytime you spend a number one pick on a player who is still a backup in his third year, you've screwed up.

Unless he gets some religion this offseason, Pace is a first round bust. Not as big a bust as Bryant but a bust none the less.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Actually, Pace was a mid-first rounder, 18th overall (in the middle third). His cap number this season is in the top 10 or 15 of the entire team. B.S. on this post.

Pace has done nothing. He did nothing his first season, and he played like a non-roster invitee last season (Kolodjei contributed as much or more to the team). Dude should be a solid starter by now, but we're wondering if he'll even make the team. He was a reach then; he's a bust now.

Thanks again, coach Mac. Oh, and Rod Graves. This was your draft.

This from the guy who had Bryant pegged as having a 'break out' year last year!

Pace contributed as much as anyone when he got the chance. 4 sacks in very limited playing time and never sniffed the field the final -what- 4-5 games?

He is obvioulsy in DG's doghouse -right or wrong- and it is up to him to get out of it. If he cant do that he wont be on the team, but mark my words on this. If cut he will be play in the NFL for another team!

 

[kerouac9]

This from the guy who had Bryant pegged as having a 'break out' year last year!

Pace contributed as much as anyone when he got the chance. 4 sacks in very limited playing time and never sniffed the field the final -what- 4-5 games?

He is obvioulsy in DG's doghouse -right or wrong- and it is up to him to get out of it. If he cant do that he wont be on the team, but mark my words on this. If cut he will be play in the NFL for another team!

I think "pegged" is a little too strong a word for what I hoped for Wendell. I was wrong. And so are you on Pace.

Calvin had 4 sacks in limited playing time, and 2 came against a team that was the most-sacked in the NFL, where I think we notched about 15 sacks. I think that Section 11 notched a sack against Vick in that game. His impact was minimal all season long. If he was doing so well, he would have seen the field over the last THIRD of the season.

Pace hasn't learned anything over his first two seasons in the league. He was taken half a round too high, and has been nothing but a bust for this team. If he's cut, he might land on someone's roster at next-to-nothing, but he wouldn't be claimed off waivers, or anything. Weak, injury-prone, no-work bust. No more taking Wake Forest players in the first round, ever again.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I think "pegged" is a little too strong a word for what I hoped for Wendell. I was wrong. And so are you on Pace.

Calvin had 4 sacks in limited playing time, and 2 came against a team that was the most-sacked in the NFL, where I think we notched about 15 sacks. I think that Section 11 notched a sack against Vick in that game. His impact was minimal all season long. If he was doing so well, he would have seen the field over the last THIRD of the season.

Pace hasn't learned anything over his first two seasons in the league. He was taken half a round too high, and has been nothing but a bust for this team. If he's cut, he might land on someone's roster at next-to-nothing, but he wouldn't be claimed off waivers, or anything. Weak, injury-prone, no-work bust. No more taking Wake Forest players in the first round, ever again.

Well it is hard to argue with you. I mean I think Pace does have tons of talent but you are right he hasnt produced. He is in DG's dog house and that is apparently hard to get out of . Doe she need to get stronger? yes, hopefully this off season has taught him something. But to cut him now would be assinine. Lets hope he can get a chance to play.

As far as calling him a bust, well I will let you use that word since you seem to use it a lot. I am not willing to do that after barely a 1 1/2 years of playing time. Quite honestly I am not sure why you are either as you seem to have let the whole "bust" thing run its 4 year course for Wendell Bryant.

and of course he would be claimed off waivers...thats a ******** statement!

 

[kerouac9]

Couple things, LV. First, this, just for fun:

Doe she need to get stronger? yes, hopefully this off season has taught him something. But to cut him now would be assinine. Lets hope he can get a chance to play.

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Well, he's had two offseasons to get stronger, and it hasn't happened so far. He's also had 32 games to "Get a chance to play", and his impact in ALL of them has been minimal. For a player possessing the talent that you assert, I'd like to think that we'd have seen SOMETHING that shows such talent off, but there hasn't been ANYTHING that makes ANYONE think that he can contribute as a starting defensive end in the NFL, much less has an impact as a pass rusher. It's a long time ago that Jim O was on here saying how much Pace reminding him of Simeon Rice.

As far as calling him a bust, well I will let you use that word since you seem to use it a lot. I am not willing to do that after barely a 1 1/2 years of playing time. Quite honestly I am not sure why you are either as you seem to have let the whole "bust" thing run its 4 year course for Wendell Bryant.

and of course he would be claimed off waivers...thats a ******** statement!

I only use the term "bust" when it applies. Wendell Bryant is a bust. I wonder if he's had as much of a chance to play in his four years here as Calvin Pace has had in two, but it doesn't change the fact that neither has contributed anything. I throught that before the high ankle sprain against Detroit in the 2003 opener, Bryant was being disruptive and flashing the skills that made him the #8 overall pick, but that was long, long ago.

He probably would be claimed off waivers, that was a ******** statement. Would he be able to start? I don't know. He couldn't beat out Peppi Zellner.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Couple things, LV. First, this, just for fun:



[sic]

Well, he's had two offseasons to get stronger, and it hasn't happened so far. He's also had 32 games to "Get a chance to play", and his impact in ALL of them has been minimal. For a player possessing the talent that you assert, I'd like to think that we'd have seen SOMETHING that shows such talent off, but there hasn't been ANYTHING that makes ANYONE think that he can contribute as a starting defensive end in the NFL, much less has an impact as a pass rusher. It's a long time ago that Jim O was on here saying how much Pace reminding him of Simeon Rice.



I only use the term "bust" when it applies. Wendell Bryant is a bust. I wonder if he's had as much of a chance to play in his four years here as Calvin Pace has had in two, but it doesn't change the fact that neither has contributed anything. I throught that before the high ankle sprain against Detroit in the 2003 opener, Bryant was being disruptive and flashing the skills that made him the #8 overall pick, but that was long, long ago.

He probably would be claimed off waivers, that was a ******** statement. Would he be able to start? I don't know. He couldn't beat out Peppi Zellner.

Like I said in the earlier post I cant really argue with you. He hasnt produced. you are right, (so what is the arguement about??) I just followed the guy in college and no what he is capable of. Maybe he used his strength too much in college (by the way for all the weak talk he benched and squatted more than most of the DE's in the draft that year). and now he is too light, weak, whatever...

Basically everything you are saying has some ring of truth to it, but I unlike you, are willing to give him the same 4 year chance you gave Wendel Bryant as oppossed to saying after 28 games his career is over....

Seems to me if you like a guy you will give them unlimited chances (dont say Bryant or Fischer ever showed any more potential than Pace has either) but since you dont like Pace it is "bust" city!

 

[BACH]

Actually, Pace was a mid-first rounder, 18th overall (in the middle third). His cap number this season is in the top 10 or 15 of the entire team. B.S. on this post.

Well, actually he's #17 on the team, but that besides the point. Pace got a large signing bonus and very low base salaries. The signing bonus is a sunk cost, meaning that you can't get it back or save it if you cut him. If he's cut we'll take a cap-hit, but if he stays he'll take up $473,750 of cap-space. It certainly looks like you don't think he's worth $473,750, but I do!

Calvin had 4 sacks in limited playing time, and 2 came against a team that was the most-sacked in the NFL, where I think we notched about 15 sacks. I think that Section 11 notched a sack against Vick in that game. His impact was minimal all season long. If he was doing so well, he would have seen the field over the last THIRD of the season.

Yet, even after you subtrack Pace's two sacks against the Falcons you end up with the same sack total as Zellner. (BTW - the Falcons were #26 in sacks allowed)

No more taking Wake Forest players in the first round, ever again.

Keep that opinion and you're going to be very unpopular here in three years. (They have this LB, who was voted the best high-school player in Florida two year ago. He's Q's younger brother BTW.)