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[Jetstream Green]

People's lives and financial situations are not static. I lived 3 hours away when the Cards were in St. Louis in the late 70's and early 80's and had season tickets. I knew most of the people around me in that stadium and many times I found myself sitting next to Cowboys or Redskins fans because said ticket-holders needed the money for something else. That's life.

It's a freaking football game--if somone sells their tickets it doesn't make them any less of a fan than you. In a perfect world, they would be right next to you, screaming their heads off. It just ain't...whether it "pisses you off", or not.

I can understand that and have no problem with a fan in financial straits selling their ticket or if something comes up... but it is a whole freaking stadium where the opposing fans are not only noticeable but a factor which does say we have a problem and the ones who are selling those tickets cannot be called fans, be they individuals or ticket brokers

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Of course since their WR's are having trouble hanging on to the ball they will make all kinds of miracle catches against us. Just how it goes.

I think we match up well with them. Our Oline establishing the run game and the Dline mustering up some kind of pressure on AR will be the keys. Also can't have many mistakes and/or turnovers.

 

[Bert]

Signs you are too close to the Cardinals situation:

I literally woke up with a start in the middle of the night where the game was a total disaster and we were down 28-0 in the first quarter lol. I woke up like ahhh! Lol. Then I laughed at myself. Some people have nightmares about monsters, I dream about the Cardinals falling apart haha.


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[Goldfield]

I remember when I went in to pick my seats for the new stadium. It went by how long you were a season ticket holder and then you received your date and time to go in. I received mine and when I went in I found out there was very few seats left down by the field. This was around the whole stadium. She showed me on the computer what was left, I asked the woman what the hell was going on. most of the seats were gone and she told me that the people before me people were buying 8 to 12 seats and more.

I know what they were doing. They were buying those tickets and selling them on line as an investment hoping to make a killing. When I first started going to the games in the new stadium it felt just like SDS Being surrounded by the enemy. By the way I have been a season ticket holder for about 17 years now and I do have good seats. I did get stuck on the visitors side again though but at least it's NOT bench seats and HOT!

This is wrong. You were only allowed to buy same amount of seats you had no more. I had 2 and wanted to add more for My kids and could not.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I can understand that and have no problem with a fan in financial straits selling their ticket or if something comes up... but it is a whole freaking stadium where the opposing fans are not only noticeable but a factor which does say we have a problem and the ones who are selling those tickets cannot be called fans, be they individuals or ticket brokers

agree to a point. if it's really as many fans as some are predicting, that's a massive indictment on our fans, no matter what the reason, especially considering how huge of a game this is.

but I won't go as far to say those who sold them merely to line their pockets aren't fans. but I think it's pretty fair to say they ain't die-hards.

 

[82CardsGrad]

agree to a point. if it's really as many fans as some are predicting, that's a massive indictment on our fans, no matter what the reason, especially considering how huge of a game this is.

but I won't go as far to say those who sold them merely to line their pockets aren't fans. but I think it's pretty fair to say they ain't die-hards.

There is so much ambiguity and unknown about this situation. Nobody really knows how many seats are owned by brokers. And nobody ever really knows how many opposing fans actually show up. It's all emotion and guessing...

It's entirely disingenuous to continue to have this discussion without acknowledging the fact about the demographics here in the valley, where Phoenix possesses a massive population that have moved here from other places, especially states like WI and MN. Coupled with the fact that the Cards have never, ever been a consistent winner and have ONLY been in the valley for less than 30 years... I actually think it's quite amazing that the team has been able to sell out every home game since UoP opened, opposing fans notwithstanding.

All of his hand-wringing about the opposing fans is pointless and totally misguided. It will take many, many more years of consistent winning to eventually thin the herd, and even then, given the demographic dynamics that are entirely unique to Phoenix, there will always be large contingents of opposing fans of the Packers and the Vikes. The actual conversation could be perhaps, what is "large", but even there, we fans will always be guessing...
I've been to roughly 98% of all home games since UoP has opened up. IMHO, I rarely ever felt like the opposing fans were a problem in terms of their presence and their noise. My guess is that the MOST I have ever witnessed is maybe 15,000 fans from Pitt several years ago. I still contend that the number of Vikes fans at the game a few weeks ago totaled no more than 10,000.
For the game this Sunday, knowing that there are already a ton of WI transplants living here in the Valley, and given it's the Christmas and New Year's break, which will only give more reason for WI peeps to travel to the valley for vacation, I could see the number getting as high as 15,000. BUT I DON'T CARE! It is what it is... Win more. Period. And 5-6 years from now, this will be far less of an issue...

 

[Dude]

agree to a point. if it's really as many fans as some are predicting, that's a massive indictment on our fans, no matter what the reason, especially considering how huge of a game this is.

but I won't go as far to say those who sold them merely to line their pockets aren't fans. but I think it's pretty fair to say they ain't die-hards.

A true die-hard fan puts a few extra tickets on their credit card. Any Joe blow fan keeps what they have. A true die-hard pays 4 X face and goes into debt to represent.

 

[Dude]

There is so much ambiguity and unknown about this situation. Nobody really knows how many seats are owned by brokers. And nobody ever really knows how many opposing fans actually show up. It's all emotion and guessing...

It's entirely disingenuous to continue to have this discussion without acknowledging the fact about the demographics here in the valley, where Phoenix possesses a massive population that have moved here from other places, especially states like WI and MN. Coupled with the fact that the Cards have never, ever been a consistent winner and have ONLY been in the valley for less than 30 years... I actually think it's quite amazing that the team has been able to sell out every home game since UoP opened, opposing fans notwithstanding.

All of his hand-wringing about the opposing fans is pointless and totally misguided. It will take many, many more years of consistent winning to eventually thin the herd, and even then, given the demographic dynamics that are entirely unique to Phoenix, there will always be large contingents of opposing fans of the Packers and the Vikes. The actual conversation could be perhaps, what is "large", but even there, we fans will always be guessing...
I've been to roughly 98% of all home games since UoP has opened up. IMHO, I rarely ever felt like the opposing fans were a problem in terms of their presence and their noise. My guess is that the MOST I have ever witnessed is maybe 15,000 fans from Pitt several years ago. I still contend that the number of Vikes fans at the game a few weeks ago totaled no more than 10,000.
For the game this Sunday, knowing that there are already a ton of WI transplants living here in the Valley, and given it's the Christmas and New Year's break, which will only give more reason for WI peeps to travel to the valley for vacation, I could see the number getting as high as 15,000. BUT I DON'T CARE! It is what it is... Win more. Period. And 5-6 years from now, this will be far less of an issue...

I know right.

6 winning seasons out of 21 and it's all on the fans that "now" have season tickets. Maybe more die-hard fans will buy them latter.

 

[Azlen]

Considering that if the Cardinals win this game, their next meaningful game could very well be against the same team on the same field. I wonder if that impacts the game plan at all, for either team.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

Look, in other threads, I've already said if someone's out of town, or someone's in financial dire straits and sell their tickets, I've got no issue with that. But if you just want to make money off the biggest game of the year instead of going to it, by definition it makes them less of a fan then the guy who's going who could do the exact same thing. Why? They're valuing cash over the game, whereas the fan values the game over money. It's a pretty simple.

OK, gotcha...haven't noticed your argument before. I agree with your assessment here...apologies offered for my knee-jerk, reaction.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK, gotcha...haven't noticed your argument before. I agree with your assessment here...apologies offered for my knee-jerk, reaction.

no worries dude.

I'm also just pissed over here in LA. I've been dealing with some serious back issues for weeks and was back in Phoenix last weekend for a couple days and bought flight tix to go back there for today after we beat the Eagles because I really wanted to come home for the Packers game but my body just can't handle the travel/three hours of standing right now. I mean, this is a massive game, IMO. It's so much easier to just win one home game and one road game rather then 3 playoff games, two of them likely on the road to get to the Super Bowl and I'd kill to be there and I guess I just can't comprehend a massive Cards fan deciding to line his pockets a little bit instead of going to the game considering these are the type of games we've been waiting DECADES for. I'm frothing at the mouth right now just thinking about tomorrow... especially to see how this D functions without Mathieu.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I don't see the point of getting mad at this "straw man greedy fan" when there are multiple sources of supply. So here is the scenario. If every 'hard core" Cardinal fan with tickets did their diligence and either A) Didn't sell to a Packer fan or Broker B) Just went to the game, they still would be the scape goat because like anything in demand if you don't control ALL the aspects of supply...corporations, brokers, small business then you cannot expect an irrational market outcome.

It's just an emotional boogie man, supply is supply you have to control all of it if you want all of it. Especially the sources of large supply like brokers. Good luck with that.

It's like blaming the entire drug problem on the kid next door that got a joint from a friend at school.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

For example. At Intel they raffle off tickets to Cardinal games every week, I put in but didn't win, however,I have two good friends who are Packer fans and going to the game because of dumb luck.

So if those two are drunk and yelling and cause a false start, who is to blame? In this world apparently some greedy fan.

Stupid thing to get pissed about.

 

[crisper57]

Schefter:
Packers ruled out CB Sam Shields (concussion) for Sunday's game against Arizona and also downgraded OT David Bakhtiari (ankle) to doubtful.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't see the point of getting mad at this "straw man greedy fan" when there are multiple sources of supply. So here is the scenario. If every 'hard core" Cardinal fan with tickets did their diligence and either A) Didn't sell to a Packer fan or Broker B) Just went to the game, they still would be the scape goat because like anything in demand if you don't control ALL the aspects of supply...corporations, brokers, small business then you cannot expect an irrational market outcome.

It's just an emotional boogie man, supply is supply you have to control all of it if you want all of it. Especially the sources of large supply like brokers. Good luck with that.

It's like blaming the entire drug problem on the kid next door that got a joint from a friend at school.

that kid should be suspended from school just like I was!!!!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

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[Shane]

Look, in other threads, I've already said if someone's out of town, or someone's in financial dire straits and sell their tickets, I've got no issue with that. But if you just want to make money off the biggest game of the year instead of going to it, by definition it makes them less of a fan then the guy who's going who could do the exact same thing. Why? They're valuing cash over the game, whereas the fan values the game over money. It's a pretty simple.

Ok answer me this... I guarantee that there are people going to this game and did not sell their tickets to make a buck... That didn't dig their way into some huge debt to go and support their football team at their first super bowl and THE BIGGEST GAME IN THEIR HISTORY.... Or just pay outright to go even though they could afford it... Yet I know there are people that sold their tickets for this game to make some money but conversely spent in excess of 5,000 to 6,000 dollars to make sure they were at the biggest game in team history(since you like to bring up size of importance of the game to prove your point) including having to call in sick to accommodate it(which costs even more money)??? So how do you quantify "the financial burden for the team" in that case.... Which one is more "diehard" and why??? Why isn't the fan that spent thousands upon thousands and created a huge debt hole to to go and see the biggest game in history "more of a diehard" fan then the guy who just kept his tickets for this game???

 

[wa52lz]

Ok answer me this... I guarantee that there are people going to this game and did not sell their tickets to make a buck... That didn't dig their way into some huge debt to go and support their football team at their first super bowl and THE BIGGEST GAME IN THEIR HISTORY.... Or just pay outright to go even though they could afford it... Yet I know there are people that sold their tickets for this game to make some money but conversely spent in excess of 5,000 to 6,000 dollars to make sure they were at the biggest game in team history(since you like to bring up size of importance of the game to prove your point) including having to call in sick to accommodate it(which costs even more money)??? So how do you quantify "the financial burden for the team" in that case.... Which one is more "diehard" and why??? Why isn't the fan that spent thousands upon thousands and created a huge debt hole to to go and see the biggest game in history "more of a diehard" fan then the guy who just kept his tickets for this game???

What if you spent thousands and went into debt going to Tampa for the SB, but sold your tickets to tomorrow's game, half went to cards fans, who paid the going rate, and the other half to unknowns?

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[BullheadCardFan]

Cards 9-0 when rushing for 115+ yards

Get that run game going guys!

 

[Shane]

What if you spent thousands and went into debt going to Tampa for the SB, but sold your tickets to tomorrow's game, half went to cards fans, who paid the going rate, and the other half to unknowns?

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I don't judge at all.. I live in a glass house certainly shouldn't throw stones

 

[Bert]

Cards 9-0 when rushing for 115+ yards

Get that run game going guys!

Wait what? Why are you talking about football? Dont you know this thread has become an extension of the 900 other threads where people are debating the ticket selling situation!!! Get with the program BHCF!!!

I don't judge at all.. I live in a glass house certainly shouldn't throw stones

If you live in a glass house I hope you have a lot of curtains. For the neighbors sake!

 

[Bert]

Here's how the picks are stacking up. http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

I actually figured more of them would pick the Pack due to the HB situation.

Disregard Freaking Wickersham. He has picked against us every week for as long as I can remember. Even picking Philly last week and he picked the 49ers a few weeks back. Both times being the only "expert" to pick against us in those games. That dude is a major hater and we're probably a big part of the reason he is in dead last amongst the other pickers.

Going to be a tough game, the packers know how to win and will have lots of fans present to make noise.

I have faith in our guys, I think we are a better team as a whole. Dont mean that to sound arrogant or homerish, just my opinion as a football team. That doesn't mean it's going to be easy or that Rogers will lay down.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Wait what? Why are you talking about football? Dont you know this thread has become an extension of the 900 other threads where people are debating the ticket selling situation!!! Get with the program BHCF!!!

My mistake. Don't know what came over me.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Signs you are too close to the Cardinals situation:

I literally woke up with a start in the middle of the night where the game was a total disaster and we were down 28-0 in the first quarter lol. I woke up like ahhh! Lol. Then I laughed at myself. Some people have nightmares about monsters, I dream about the Cardinals falling apart haha.


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That's weird I had a dream yesterday we were up 28-0 then I woke up.

 

[Bert]

That's weird I had a dream yesterday we were up 28-0 then I woke up.

LOL hopefully your subconscious is a better prognosticator than mine!

Speaking of prognostication... My nuggets are silent leading up to this game, not even a hit. Guess they are avoiding spoilers. I have no idea what is going to happen. The suspense is killing me. This is going to be a very long 18 hours.