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you're either completely missing my point or ducking it. Comparing them by the weight of their first pro fight makes absolutely no sense. The only "Fair" comparison is to compare them both at the same age, and at 16 they were fighting at the same weight. By 20 Mayweather was at least 10 pounds bigger. Yes he's taller but he's also in a completely different world it makes perfect sense that he was bigger he had a much better life at that point, much better training, much better nutrition etc.
Manny gained weight later on because there were no fights left for him at 130 pounds. I've still found nothing that says he fought above 142 pounds, and he was having trouble making 130 the last several fights so I don't see a big deal gaining 10-12 pounds later in his career. His last fight in the 130 class he fought marquez at 129, 3 months later he fought Diaz at 134.5. If you read the pre fight weighin comments for the Diaz fight it very clearly says unlike his last 3 fights, Manny had no problem making the higher weight. In the last 3 fights they were concerned Manny was weakened by struggling to make the weight. He stayed below 130 because that's where the fights were, once he'd beaten everyone, including the Marquez rematch he moved up to the next weight class that suited him better.
Mayweather went from fighting at 140 to fighting at 150 in about 18 months.
Manny has by you fought above 130 4 times in 18 months and the most I can find is 142 pounds. Why is ok for Mayweather to jump 10 pounds in 18 months but not for Manny to jump 12? You're really saying that last 2 pounds is the difference between doping and not doping? Especially when you consider he really went from 135 to 142 which is only 7 pounds after the Diaz fight.
The highest weight Manny has fought is 142, Mayweather 150, I don't see how anybody can look at that given their comparable ages and say obviously Manny doped and Mayweather didn't.
Of course I've seen 2 16 year olds grow at different rates, that's precisely my point you're assuming Manny cheated because he gained weight later in his career, so did Mayweather, so did Ray Leonard, marvin hagler, Duran, Hearns and on and on. You're taking the growth rate of Mayweather and saying if Manny's doesn't fit it, then he must be doping.
Again if he's doping how come nobody else he fought has made that allegation? And if Mayweather is such an expert on who's doping how come he never called out Mosley for doping when he ACTUALLY WAS doping?
It's just as likely that Mayweather just doesn't want to fight as it is Manny is avoiding tests, especially given what you are refusing to comment on, that Roach says they offered to take a blood test 7 days before the fight.
Russ, again... I am a Manny fan! I am not definitively stating that he is doping! I am curious and a bit suspect. I hope I'm wrong. As for the whole weight debate, somehow we got put on some weird tangent... My point is simply that Floyd is a naturally bigger man, and it matters NOTHING what they weighed when they were 16...
Anyway, hope they find a way to make it happen one day.