Pasquarelli: Cards trying to deal down

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by TheCardFan
Uh Yes! The Jets have the 13th and 22nd picks.

Last year from 13-21..these players were available:
13 Donte Stallworth
17 Phillip Buchanon

22-31:

24 Ed Reed
25 Charles Grant

I would trade #6 today for Donte Stallworth and Charles Grant.

Very good point, and I would have to agree (especially considering the fact that Bryant wasn't productive this year).

(I actually would have gone with Grant and Buchanon )

 

[Fiasco]

Originally posted by Ed B
Cardinals | Could Move Down? - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
11:28 PT: Len Pasquarelli reports for ESPN.com the Arizona Cardinals, in their search for quantity over quality, are trying to deal back from their current No. 6 spot in the first round of the April NFL Draft. If Arizona State DE Terrell Suggs were available at that slot they may stay put.

If they didn't want the #6 spot they shoulda won more games

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
NFL teams have a chart that charts the value of each and every pick. They use it to judge if they are losing value by a trade, keeping value equal, or gaining value.

For the Cards to trade, the Jets better give AT LEAST 2 #1s. I might be happy if the did a trade like: 13th pick+ 2 2nd rounders.

I found a Draft Pick Value Chart on a website, can't say how accurate it is but here we go.

Round 1

Pick 1 3000
Pick 2 2600
Pick 3 2200
Pick 4 1800
Pick 5 1700
Pick 6 1600

Pick 13 1150
Pick 22 780

Pick 31 600
Pick 32 590

Round 2

Pick 33 580
Picks 34 thru 60 go down 10 for each pick
Pick 61 292
Pick 64 270 Last pick in RD 2

Round 3 Pick 65 265 1st pick in the Rd
Picks 66 through 90 go down 5 for each pick
Pick 91 136 and 4 points less for each pick through pick 103 which is the 7th pick in rd 4

RD 4 starts at 112
ends at 44

RD 5 starts 43
ends 28.4

RD 6 starts 28
ends 15.6

RD 7 starts 15.2
ends 3

So you can take this for what it's worth but I think we all know that the 6th pick is worth more than the 31st and 32nd picks in the draft. If we get the Jets 13th and 22nd then we are getting good to great value but their 13th and their 2nd we are losing value.

Sorry I don't remember where I found this chart.

If the Jets love a player at #6 then they very well may over pay to get him.

QB's will also often throw the values on this chart off some to quite a bit as well.

So for the Cards to move up to #1 they should, in theory have to come up with 1400 points worth of picks.

To move up to #3 they need 600 points worth of picks which would be our 2nd and maybe TJ

To move up to #4 we only need 200 points which is our 3rd and the Bears would have to give us a 5th rder back. Throw TJ in and we could get a 4th rounder back.

Have Fun.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Draft day...we made them sweat enough.

While I agree that 99% of these deals are done on draft day I distinctly remeber this deal being done well before the draft, maybe as much as a month. We had the 2nd and the Chargers had the 3rd pick. The Colts had the #1 pick and it was a given that they would take either Manning or Leaf, most believed it would be Manning. Beathard wanted one of the 2 QB's and we conned him into thinking we couldn't pass on the QB that fell to us at pick 2, so he ponied up the picks and players.

 

[Cardiac]

Here is a link:

http://www.onlineathens.com/1998/031398/0313.s1chargers.html

 

[JeffGollin]

I would trade #6 today for Donte Stallworth and Charles Grant.
Hindsight is 20-20.

I tried to do a mock that assumed we traded #6 to the Jets for #13 and #21.

I gave up the goat when I discovered that it was too early to scope out what each team's needs and preferences were.

Also - since I have a warm place in my heart for Henderson, I tried to figure out whether we should pick him with #13 or could wait til #21. Using Great Blue North for a guideline, I'd have been wrong on both counts (They have Henderson going late in the second round). My guess is Henderson will be all over the lot on various mock drafts - from #15 all the way down to #50.

Also - If we were to do this, I'd want us to wind up after our pick at #37 with an edge rushing DE, a CB who could start right away and a 6-3 go-to WR (or Henderson). Where things get a bit dicey are: (a) will a good CB like Weathersby still be around by #37? (b) where will Henderson be picked? (c) how do our scouts rank Kelsay, McDougle and D. White and where do we pick them - #13, #21 or #37 (White?) (d) can we wait til #70 to grab Calico?

 

[Pariah]

Trade Down? Maybe--But Please Explore Trading UP!

Originally posted by artp
The Bears signed QB K Stewart and the Bengals look to give Kitna another chance.

I still don't buy that both of these teams won't draft a QB. Sure, the Bengals are going to give Kitna another chance, but what happens when he falls on his face again? Are they going to then give Akili Smith another chance? I think they will take Palmer or maybe even Leftwich if he has a good pro-day.

The Bears are a different story, I think. They're more likely NOT to take a QB, but I still think it's a very real possibility. I think they also may take Kennedy before Suggs--they experienced a lot of success when they had two good, healthy tackles to take blockers off of Urlacher.

That said, I think it would be smart on the Bengals part to make a deal with the Cardinals--they could trade down to the #6 spot and still get Leftwich or Palmer--what else would it take?

Maybe next years #1? A #2 and #3 this year? I don't have any idea. Would the price be too high? I'm torn--I might be happy with this years #1, #2 and next years #2...but two #1s might be too high.

 

[choginals]

Originally posted by Cardiac
I found a Draft Pick Value Chart on a website, can't say how accurate it is but here we go..................................Sorry I don't remember where I found this chart.

Here is a pick value chart...

http://footballcorner.bizland.com/DraftValueChart.jpg